Be careful what charger you use with the HTC 10...

[Not Quite Right]

I think for the two people who bought a Pixle C & HTC 10 this is a great concern, the rest of the world can just calm down and go back to what they were doing ...

 

[LeoRex]

So is it the charger or the cable?

Neither. It's the phone.

Seriously... The fault here in with HTC and Qualcomm... Qualcomm for basically thumbing their noses at the new specification to keep the licensing money coming in and HTC for building a phone that claims it has a USB-C connection but, in reality, is a micro USB with a USB-C form factor. The whole point of a standard is that everyone follows and everything can be mixed and matched without fear of a problem... like your phone going all meltdowny.

 

[Almeuit]

Telling people to buy chargers that are not sanctioned is a slippery slope. You could potentially be the reason why someone messes up their phone. It's just extremely irresponsible of you.

I didn't see dpham recommend this at all so I am not sure how he is being irresponsible... So let's take the accusations down a notch. Debates are nice but trying to insult or insinuate someone is saying something which clearly wasn't the case isn't needed.

He simply said people DO buy 3rd party cables/chargers (this is not new) and HTC only recommended to use their cables but said if you do buy 3rd party cables.. to buy them from "reputable brands". Just because you don't see the Pixel C as popular doesn't mean it isn't reputable. It is made by Google who makes Android so I would normally think of them as reputable. A buyer may come to this conclusion or may buy some other 3rd party brand they have used in the past (who they think is reputable) but HTC may not think so and therefore it causes an issue. I could see your point if HTC said "Only buy from these 3rd party brands as we count them as reputable" but they didn't.

 

[LeoRex]

But the core issue here is someone who might not be aware that the 10 has a broken USB-C connection and they go out and pick up a brick and cable that they researched and found to be 100% USB-C compliant, to the last letter.... and that fact alone leads to a potential for some spitzen-sparken. That's really messed up. This isn't someone buying some cheap knock off or a $.99 charger they picked up at the local bodega.

 

[Aquila]

I think for the two people who bought a Pixle C & HTC 10 this is a great concern, the rest of the world can just calm down and go back to what they were doing ...

This is a concern for 100% of people who bought an HTC 10 and attempt to use it with any charger not intended specifically for use with the HTC 10 - unless they KNOW that specific charger is not going to be a problem because of their knowledge of the specific components. Because HTC intentionally sabotaged the implementation of USB C, there is no quick and easy way to know which ones are safe and which ones are putting lives at risk. That's not hyperbole, that's a legit risk of HTC's intentional actions here. This can easily start fires and electrical fires aren't funny. This isn't trivial and HTC isn't putting out any effort to educate people on the proper usage and/or risks. Obviously everyone in the forums has access to this information and can change their charging habits accordingly... but what about the other 99% of HTC 10 owners?

 

[Bearcats98]

The forum thread has an air of caution around this issue. So we are "informed" and hopefully have made the necessary changes. Those that are not on the forum are relegated to what media states.

Also, does Type A to Type C not invoke the USB Type C standard? I am curious. I am thinking "no" because there are not that many pins on a Type A connector. I am thinking this might be "confined" (assumption, speculation, no fact involved) to Type C to Type C and maybe thats why the QC charger in the HTC box is a Type A? Again EE is not my specialty and what I typed is a musing.

 

[Golfdriver97]

Also, does Type A to Type C not invoke the USB Type C standard?

No. I have an A to C cable for the 5X. I get a 'Charging' as opposed to 'Charging rapidly' message when plugged in. My comparison is my Nexus charger and Google C cable versus my M8 charger and a Google A to C cable.

 

[Bearcats98]

No. I have an A to C cable for the 5X. I get a 'Charging' as opposed to 'Charging rapidly' message when plugged in. My comparison is my Nexus charger and Google C cable versus my M8 charger and a Google A to C cable.

So that being said; is the included charger with the HTC QC or not QC? I have not used it yet.

 

[dpham00]

So that being said; is the included charger with the HTC QC or not QC? I have not used it yet.

It is qc 3.0

 

[thejesse]

The forum thread has an air of caution around this issue. So we are "informed" and hopefully have made the necessary changes. Those that are not on the forum are relegated to what media states.

Also, does Type A to Type C not invoke the USB Type C standard? I am curious. I am thinking "no" because there are not that many pins on a Type A connector. I am thinking this might be "confined" (assumption, speculation, no fact involved) to Type C to Type C and maybe thats why the QC charger in the HTC box is a Type A? Again EE is not my specialty and what I typed is a musing.

This is my thinking.

 

[dpham00]

Reputable doesn't equate to Pixel C. Seriously? I bet 99% of people never heard of Pixel C. It's not listed anywhere in writing. So how you gathered that from the word reputable, I have no clue. I can name a bunch of reputable chargers too.

You don't work on cars. Please stick to phones and NEVER open the hood of a car ever. Just because a battery meets the requirements doesn't mean anything. The manufacturer makes recommendations for a reason. If Benz wanted a Mazda battery in their cars they would use the same supplier as Mazda. You buy a Benz for looks and quality to include parts. If you are allowing a mechanic to use a bottom basement battery in your car you probably shouldn't own a Benz. With your premise, you should take your Benz to any mechanic and that's just outright idiotic. People drive hours to have their Benz serviced by Mercedes and not a local mechanic. In the end, you get what you pay for.

Telling people to buy chargers that are not sanctioned is a slippery slope. You could potentially be the reason why someone messes up their phone. It's just extremely irresponsible of you.

Benz wants you to use a Benz battery because they make a huge profit from it. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Mazda battery and the Benz battery was made by the same manufacturer. There are only a few manufacturers of car batteries out there. Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said to go to any ***** mechanic. You don't necessarily need to go to the dealer though. I do a lot of maintenance myself and a battery change is pretty simple. You can also take your car to any qualified mechanic

With regards to the Pixel C, it is just one device but there are others with a similar situation. The MacBook has a high powered usb c charger as well. Upcoming chrome books will have high powered usb c chargers too.

Again so not put words into my mouth... I didn't advise anyone to buy a charger for their htc 10 that wasn't sanctioned.

On a personal note, I have done my fair share of work under the hood. I am not a mechanic or anything, but I have done simple stuff like oil changes to more complicated stuff like changing intercoolers, shocks and Springs, brakes, exhaust system, and lots more. Mostly with aftermarket parts.

 

[dpham00]

I think for the two people who bought a Pixle C & HTC 10 this is a great concern, the rest of the world can just calm down and go back to what they were doing ...

And those that bought MacBook, and and upcoming chrome books too...

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

I'm sorry, but your advice is in left field. Ask my girlfriend why her sons tire blew out after she got brand new tires at Costco installed on his Accord? That's the third tire a tech there has blown out. I told my girlfriend a million times, just let Honda do their job. They are certified and trained to work on specific vehicles. They don't see 10 different brands of cars in a week. They have an inclination on problematic areas for specific Honda vehicles. I'm 100% certain they can properly install tires.

Why did a mechanic on my military base break a $200 tire pressure sensor on my truck after installing new tires? Then try and tape it up with electrical tape to cover up his handy work. Only to have the dealership discover it the next day because the fault light kept coming on and I had to take it to the dealership. My vehicles only go to the dealership and you wouldn't take a Prius to a normal mechanic.

In the military just because you can repair an F-16, doesn't mean you can repair an F-22. They are both fighter jets. But two totally separate fighter jets. The same apply to cars. There is a reason why we have specific mechanics to certain aircraft.

Mazda and Mercedes using the same battery manufacturer? You can't be serious right? Their corporations aren't even in the same country!

Google doesn't make chargers. They contract it out just like with Nexus devices. You think Google has time to do R&D on a charger when they aren't even a cell phone manufacturer? Seriously?

Heh. Turns out Johnson Controls is responsible for both Mazda and Mercedes batteries.

If I asked your girlfriend that question would the answer be "he ran over a nail?"

 

[Aquila]

Let's try to get back on topic...

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

I'm sorry, but your advice is in left field. Ask my girlfriend why her sons tire blew out after she got brand new tires at Costco installed on his Accord? That's the third tire a tech there has blown out. I told my girlfriend a million times, just let Honda do their job. They are certified and trained to work on specific vehicles. They don't see 10 different brands of cars in a week. They have an inclination on problematic areas for specific Honda vehicles. I'm 100% certain they can properly install tires.

Why did a mechanic on my military base break a $200 tire pressure sensor on my truck after installing new tires? Then try and tape it up with electrical tape to cover up his handy work. Only to have the dealership discover it the next day because the fault light kept coming on and I had to take it to the dealership. My vehicles only go to the dealership and you wouldn't take a Prius to a normal mechanic.

In the military just because you can repair an F-16, doesn't mean you can repair an F-22. They are both fighter jets. But two totally separate fighter jets. The same apply to cars. There is a reason why we have specific mechanics to certain aircraft.

Mazda and Mercedes using the same battery manufacturer? You can't be serious right? Their corporations aren't even in the same country!

Google doesn't make chargers. They contract it out just like with Nexus devices. You think Google has time to do R&D on a charger when they aren't even a cell phone manufacturer? Seriously?

And you think HTC designed and built their charges without any third party assistance? If so I got some bad news, they didn't. They also contracted a third party to build a charger to their own specifications.

 

[Aquila]

Thread is taking a break. This is a serious issue, but no reason for people to get heated and make it personal.

 

[Aquila]

Thread has re-opened, however it should be understood that excess grumpiness on IO day can threaten to spoil IO day and that's the type of thing that can make an assassin droid forget PUPPAH programming and revert to assassination protocols.

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[murphcid]

I still think it is the voltage on the charger.

 

[Not Quite Right]

This is a concern for 100% of people who bought an HTC 10 and attempt to use it with any charger not intended specifically for use with the HTC 10 - unless they KNOW that specific charger is not going to be a problem because of their knowledge of the specific components. Because HTC intentionally sabotaged the implementation of USB C,

You're right, and I redact my smartass comment (just my nature). On a more serious note, arguing amongst ourselves on a user forum probably won't bring a resolution to this issue. I think a recall of devices might be in order. Of course HTC most likely won't do this without a class action lawsuit of some kind ...

 

[LeoRex]

OK.... to clear out some noise.



You either follow the specification or your don't. Quick Charge 2.0 and 3.0 are not compatible with the USB Type C specifications. Sure, Qualcomm is poo-pooing the reports, but read Benson Leung's thoughts here. Benson (a Google engineer) has no bones to pick with Qualcomm, and no reason to mislead us. All the dude has been doing is obsessing over all things USB-C to look out for us, and more or less single-handedly protect us from hack cable and charger manufacturers. Qualcomm's bias is massive in this case as USB Type C comes with its own fast charging tech, tech that is FREE TO USE... whereas Qualcomm's Quick Charge is a revenue stream for them.

So what we have is a phone, the HTC 10 (the LG G5 is the same way I've read) that claims that it supports both USB Type C (the above pick is from HTC's own site) as well as Qualcomm's Quick Charge. But the problem is that, by definition, the wiring configuration and technology needed for Quick Charge to work violates the USB Type C standard.

So HTC is claiming that it follows the specification when it most certainly does not. And it does so in such a way that is inherently dangerous and entirely misleading to the public.