Blur + locked bootloader ????

[AllenRulz]

Ok, I have a Blackberry Storm and when I can upgrade this year, I'm going to Android... Well I'm hearing don't go with Motorola phones because of Blur + locked bootloader, what are these and what do they do? I know, I'm a n00b at smart phones.

I heard to go with HTC for Android. Can anyone help me on understanding all this?

 

[Sploinkin]

If you want to root your phone, wait to see if this has a locked bootloader. The locked bootloader makes it harder to load custom roms.

If you don't want to root, get whichever phone fits your fancy. Go play with Sense and PhilBlur (probably not in that order) and see which one you like more.

 

[AllenRulz]

Ok so I understand the root part now, Yeah I won't be doing any of that stuff.

Now sense is HTC and Blur is Motorola correct? I assume these mean the operating systems and how they work???

 

[prittyboy203]

Ya the HTC sense is what they put on top of android to make better they say lol and Motorola put blur on there phone which a lot don't like but if you buy a phone do some research on it and they do reviews on YouTube to so you could see the pros and cons you know but the best way to go is HTC there more reliable imo and there phones depending on what you get might get fixed faster if some needs a software fix fast I have also owned a lot of phone and I end up going with them depending on the service as well always take that in consideration cuz some phones have rev-a and have rev-0 and they say there 3g but are crap and like my evo it has a good 3g signal and just in case I could tap into the 4g which is a plus Verizon is soon going to have the thunder bolt and that's a really good looking phone with a lot of cool features like the evo but newer upgraded parts if your even with Verizon or the galaxy s variants are great to and evo of course is great and the nexus s and nexus one are great to but its all up to you on your decision

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[AllenRulz]

Ya the HTC sense is what they put on top of android to make better they say lol and Motorola put blur on there phone which a lot don't like but if you buy a phone do some research on it and they do reviews on YouTube to so you could see the pros and cons you know but the best way to go is HTC there more reliable imo and there phones depending on what you get might get fixed faster if some needs a software fix fast

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Yeah, that is what I heard a lot lately about HTC being able to release updates and fix issues very fast then Motorola ect...

 

[DolfanCole]

Ok so I understand the root part now, Yeah I won't be doing any of that stuff.

Now sense is HTC and Blur is Motorola correct? I assume these mean the operating systems and how they work???

HTC's Sense and Motorola's Blur are "skins" on top of the operating system. It's a way for the manufacturer to customize Android to their phone and create a user experience that is desirable. I'm like you in that I have a BlackBerry and I'm looking to jump to Android for my next phone. From what I've seen and read, HTC's Sense is preferred over Blur for many. But, it's all in the specific user's preferences. Some like Blur over Sense as well. And from what I can gather from the snapshots of the Bionic, the Blur on this looks to be a modified version over what I've seen on the D2 and DX. What I'll probably do is check out each myself and figure out which I prefer.

 

[AllenRulz]

HTC's Sense and Motorola's Blur are "skins" on top of the operating system. It's a way for the manufacturer to customize Android to their phone and create a user experience that is desirable. I'm like you in that I have a BlackBerry and I'm looking to jump to Android for my next phone. From what I've seen and read, HTC's Sense is preferred over Blur for many. But, it's all in the specific user's preferences. Some like Blur over Sense as well. And from what I can gather from the snapshots of the Bionic, the Blur on this looks to be a modified version over what I've seen on the D2 and DX. What I'll probably do is check out each myself and figure out which I prefer.

I see, thanks for the help. Yeah, I need to go check them out in person and see what I like more.

 

[prittyboy203]

Ya I have not had blur since the MOTO cliq and it imo of course slows the phone down from its full potential and I don't even wanna go there with the little trick pieces of crap where they put in the Droid x that's called the efuse when you try to mess with the phone it bricks its self I think when you buy a phone its yours and you should be able to do what ever you want with your phone but like the other poster said go and try out the phone and you see for yourself on how you like the sense over the blur and you can always root when ever you want you can most likely get root and slap on a fresh clean non blur Rom or put sense on some devices up to you if you want to take all the risks into root your phone but if you know how to follow directions then you should be ok good luck on your choices ;-)

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[thebizz]

The bootloader may be locker like the d2 but its cool as long as we can root the thing I'm happy I'm not that big into flashing roms now if the blur in this phone is functional I may just freeze apps and run stock

 

[tmacfan4321]

Locked bootloaders severely hamper the development capabilities of the newer Droid phones. After (not including) the original Droid, Motorola locked down pretty much every Android phone they had with a signed bootloader. The OG Droid shipped without any sort of security on the bootloader, along with a stock Android 2.0 ROM. Motorola has gone astray from the original Droid model, with phones that have hardware locked bootloaders and proprietary skins that hamper phone functionality.

I hope for the sake of Motorola that they learn that the development community is a key aspect of Android in general; many innovations there (Cyanogenmod, MIUI, etc) are especially valuable to tweakers like me. If this phone ends up having a locked bootloader, I will have to rethink my decision to purchase this device. I do not want Motorola's abomination of a skin on my device. I am someone who feels as though AOSP is the best skin/theme for Android, bar none.

HTC is especially good about this, where they leave the bootloader open, but lock down the internal memory of the phone (not that big of a deal). This allows the development community to flourish on phones such as the Incredible and the Evo. Motorola would make me happy if they could just move into this position for security. The Bionic will not get custom ROMs before it is obsolete if the bootloader is locked down.

 

[terpitude71]

The Bionic will not get custom ROMs before it is obsolete if the bootloader is locked down.

cant disagree more. check out a lot of the roms available on the DX. i am loving apex on this thing, and there are a lot of other solid options out there as well. it probably wont be able to run CM, and a lot of ROM devs will certainly be scared off from the device, but there are a lot of rom makers that will end up crafting some solid roms for this device, and within 1-2 months of its release i would bet

 

[thebizz]

Locked bootloader unlocked who knows I don't worry about it right now and the dx and d2 have proved it to me fission is a solid rom for the d2 and if I can get the same thing on the bionic with 1080p unlocked I will be a happy camper

 

[tmacfan4321]

cant disagree more. check out a lot of the roms available on the DX. i am loving apex on this thing, and there are a lot of other solid options out there as well. it probably wont be able to run CM, and a lot of ROM devs will certainly be scared off from the device, but there are a lot of rom makers that will end up crafting some solid roms for this device, and within 1-2 months of its release i would bet

A stock android ROM does not exist for the DX as of yet. I can't see myself buying a device where AOSP isn't an option. Those ROMs that people have don't really seem to be all that "custom" in comparison to CM, MIUI, or the Gingerbread source ROMs on HTC phones.

It really depends on whether or not you are willing to settle for sub-par pieces of software that don't take full advantage of the phone's capabilities.

Locked bootloader unlocked who knows I don't worry about it right now and the dx and d2 have proved it to me fission is a solid rom for the d2 and if I can get the same thing on the bionic with 1080p unlocked I will be a happy camper

Trust me, you wouldn't be saying that if you had an AOSP Gingerbread ROM available for your phone. It's pretty awesome.

 

[TreyDaPrince]

A stock android ROM does not exist for the DX as of yet. I can't see myself buying a device where AOSP isn't an option. Those ROMs that people have don't really seem to be all that "custom" in comparison to CM, MIUI, or the Gingerbread source ROMs on HTC phones.

It really depends on whether or not you are willing to settle for sub-par pieces of software that don't take full advantage of the phone's capabilities.


Trust me, you wouldn't be saying that if you had an AOSP Gingerbread ROM available for your phone. It's pretty awesome.

Actually knowing bizz like I do for the last 2 years starting with the OG Droid, he knows what he's talking about. I too owned an OGDroid and now own an Incredible. I have yet to flash any stock Android ROM cause I'm sick of it. Just my opinion.

And while on the subject of stock Android. If you want it that bad on a locked bootloader get launcher pro. Same difference. Your stock gingerbread being milliseconds faster than my sense or blur does not impress me. Not in the slightest.

 

[tmacfan4321]

Actually knowing bizz like I do for the last 2 years starting with the OG Droid, he knows what he's talking about. I too owned an OGDroid and now own an Incredible. I have yet to flash any stock Android ROM cause I'm sick of it. Just my opinion.

That's cool. Themes and custom ROMs are built just for that purpose. Everyone wants different things out of OSes. I want an OS that is as stripped down as possible, while still offering a great variety of features. I don't want or need anything like Sense, Touch-wiz, or Blur on my phone.

And while on the subject of stock Android. If you want it that bad on a locked bootloader get launcher pro. Same difference.

I don't really believe that Launcher Pro comes anywhere close to being stock android, it's just a re-skinning of a skinned OS. You're not going to get the pure Android experience that way. If Blur is anything like Sense, there is deep application and OS integration that cannot be overcome by simply installing Launcher Pro or ADW and putting a stock Android skin as your theme.

Your stock gingerbread being milliseconds faster than my sense or blur does not impress me. Not in the slightest.

I would say the same thing if I were not bent about having the quickest OS possible. It's the same reason why I paid $200 for a small SSD in my laptop, while other people are perfectly fine with using HDDs.

 

[Chris Kerrigan]

Having a locked bootloader is a back breaker for some, and a non-issue for others. It's all about personal preference.

 

[TuxDotKing]

AOSP roms like CyMod have improved my experience on every Android phone I've owned, so I wouldn't be so quick to brush them off.

Yet, I've honestly decided that this phone is good enough that I'll try to live without them. I'm taking the chance, but if I can still get root and remove Blur, I guess that might be enough.

The good news (or rather, rumor) that I've heard is that the locked bootloader (eFuse) was a 'bug' (I refuse to refer to such a thing as a 'feature') of the SoC that Moto was using for the Droid 2/X/Milestone. If such a 'bug' is not in the T2 SoC (or wasn't worth their time to enable for whatever reason), then there's a chance it may not have a locked bootloader.

Cross your fingers kids.

P.S.: Lol bizz, I just noticed your new signature. Same feeling here man.

 

[thebizz]

Lol yeah I don't like locked bootloaders but I will buy hardware unless Motorola cookes up some crazy security I will be happy with this phone. I too loved cm but I've found that cm isn't a must its a perk to me roms like fission are good enough. With this phone I think I could run stock with adwex because the hardware is good

 

[thebizz]

Trust me, you wouldn't be saying that if you had an AOSP Gingerbread ROM available for your phone. It's pretty awesome.

Honestly what am I missing from gb I've had the blackbar on my phones for over a year the keyboard got it launcher got it. The only thing missing are the backend enhancements. But I'm cool with what I have it's bug free and fast

 

[moosc]

Dont say HTC doesn't lock there crap. What about the mess they had on the G2? Every time u loaded a Rom or unlocked it as soon as u rebooted it went back to stock. And who doesn't say they will do it on the DOLT? OR MAY be a newer lock. Yea efuse is nasty but I can root my X, run a true asop Rom remove bloats and overclock it. Don't let these guys scare you. As for blur it is not as bad it is not full blur like the cliq.