Camera how good is it.....really?

[robsawalker]

Awesome cat photo! Lovely detail. What was it taken on?

 

[robsawalker]

Each pixel also has half the light to work with (just being general here). Unless they combine the information of two pixels to effectively become one it doesn't matter. If you capture an 8mp image with half the light and keep the resolution the same (8mp output) the result will be worse low light performance.

Reference the shoot out Alex did. Clearly it's not just software magically inserting extra light into the image.

Also, I'm not a photography expert, but the results speak for themselves. Daylight pictures = S4. Low light/nighttime pictures = One. Everywhere. Seems to be the only thing that's unanimously agreed upon by reviewers across the Internet.

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Does it not mean, roughly, that each pixel has FOUR times the light available than the S4, so this means the ISO and shutter speeds may be adjusted accordingly and low-light performance will be better - which is exactly what happens. PS I'm agreeing with you Kevin, and pointing out an error in Warpdrives comments about ultrapixel doing anything to help with low light as they certainly do, which is why HTC used them.

 

[robsawalker]

I changed the White Balance from Auto to Daylight and the picture got better. I guess the auto mode in this camera just doesn't work. Anybody have settings that work well?

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That is a fantastic image! Really nice, loads of great detail and contrast across the image. Excellent! Is that an HTC One pic?!

 

[hpilot]

That is a fantastic image! Really nice, loads of great detail and contrast across the image. Excellent! Is that an HTC One pic?!

Yes it is from my HTC one, but I do not think it is a good picture.

 

[madlaw1071]

seriously? The pic is awful

 

[estebancam]

I'm sorry but I agree with so much of what you said but at the same time I disagree with a few things.

First thing that I am totally not getting is your apple example. For someone who wants to correct me on pixels, you sure did use an example that doesn't in any way relate to pixel density. Pixels are not the same lenth and width yet somehow have a different hight. So when comparing say a 4mp censor and an 8mp censor of the same size, width is the only factor when talking about size and hight has nothing to do with it.

Next, while I agree that a lower pixel count censor should produce better dynamic range, in reality that is clearly NOT a fact when taking about the htc one. There are reasons for this that have little to do with the censor but I just can't take forever to repeat everything I've said countless times already.

The rest I not only agree with but have also stated so I'm not sure what your argument is about.

Have an awesome morning.

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The apple example was to explain that the larger pixels hold more light before they turn completely white. This gives the HTC One an advantage because it picks up more 3 times more information per pixel than any other smartphone.

The dynamic range is a different argument. The reason that the HTC One seems to comparatively[/I] underperform in dynamic range is because of the wide viewing angle. One thing that mae me really not take any review on the camera seriously, including Alex's review, was that they didn't match the field of view for each camera. The HTC One has a wider field of view, thus, it captures more light from the sides of the image. This leads to a much different dynamic range. Not a bad dynamic range, but a different one. The S4 has a narrower field of view, thus, it has less light information to dictate the dynamic range, so it comes out differently.

If, for example, we are trying to take a picture of a building (as Alex did in several), we have the S4, fitting mostly the building in the picture, while the HTC One grabs more of the sides of the building, which have more reflective light (due to sun, sky, whatever just not the building because it produces no light), that is going to drastically alter the dynamic range.

If you were to match the field of view on the S4, you will see a much different camera comparatively. Or, if you have an S4 just take a picture outside of a building or fountain or whatever, then step back about 10 paces or so and take the picture again. See how the dynamic range changes.

 

[estebancam]

True but they only will display up to a certIn size at a certain resolution before it gets grainy.

It depends in the screen size. You can have a 5inch 1080 screen and a 50in 1080 screen The larger the screen the more grainy it'll look unless the mp is higher, there are also other factors involved with having a grainy or bad photo.

For example my phone's camera looks good full screen with some pics on a 21inch monitor and some dont. It's a 4 ultra pixel camera, technically an 8-10 mega pixel.

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You are confusing Pixels Per Inch with Dots Per Inch.

If you were to put a 4MP shot on a 50inch TV, it would still look good as long as the TV is 1080p, since that is below a 4MP resolution.

However, when you print a photo, or photoshop a photo, this has to do with dots per inch. Several dots can make a pixel. Thus, this can make an image grainy and noisy, not to mention pixilated.

 

[estebancam]

I have yet to take a good picture with this phone. All the outdoor shots are extremely washed out - I mean a lot. I don't know how people get the nice shots they post here. I just took some test shots outside in perfect lighting conditions, and they are not even usable. My three year old Samsung Nexus S takes way better pictures. I don't get it...
Check this out:

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There is something terribly wrong with your camera. Every HTC One I have tried takes very good looking pictures in daylight or night.

This picture just sucks. lol

 

[madlaw1071]

There is something terribly wrong with your camera. Every HTC One I have tried takes very good looking pictures in daylight or night.

This picture just sucks. lol

His picture matches exactly with most reviews that say it struggles in well lit outdoor shots. Virtually every comparison I've seen shows the One with poor outdoor daylight shots.

 

[hpilot]

There is something terribly wrong with your camera. Every HTC One I have tried takes very good looking pictures in daylight or night.

This picture just sucks. lol

Please post a typical picture you have taken outdoors in bright sunlight...

 

[JHBThree]

His picture matches exactly with most reviews that say it struggles in well lit outdoor shots. Virtually every comparison I've seen shows the One with poor outdoor daylight shots.

No they don't. His picture looks like there was grease on the lens. It looks nothing like the review pictures

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[hpilot]

No they don't. His picture looks like there was grease on the lens. It looks nothing like the review pictures

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Actually I cleaned the lens very carefully before I took this test shot.

Again, post your pictures taken in bright sunlight - please.

 

[madlaw1071]

No they don't. His picture looks like there was grease on the lens. It looks nothing like the review pictures

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Here we go again. From the AC camera comparo:

"A bright, outdoor scene, and once again the Galaxy S4 comes out on top thanks to its higher megapixel count. the image from the HTC One suffers from noisy areas in spots of dark concrete. The warmer colors of the Galaxy S4 shot also make for a more pleasing image."

From the PhoneArena comparo:

"The HTC One deserves credit for keeping colors as true-to-life as possible, but we noticed that its camera has a tendency to underexpose objects when shot against a relatively brighter background. Also, there's a lack of contrast in its daytime shots. "

From GSMArena comparo:

"Winner: Samsung Galaxy S4. It's pretty clear that things are going in favor of the Galaxy S4 here. It produces sharper photos with better colors and there's resolution to crop things out. The narrower FoV is not ideal but it's not a deal-breaker.
The HTC One lost this round, though to be fair it was never expected to win a head-on fight in good lighting conditions. Its photos are certainly good enough (even better after the update) if you'll post them on Facebook or show them off on a TV, but don't come close to the samples produced with its competitor today."

 

[AdamsHouseCat]

True but they only will display up to a certIn size at a certain resolution before it gets grainy.

It depends in the screen size. You can have a 5inch 1080 screen and a 50in 1080 screen The larger the screen the more grainy it'll look unless the mp is higher, there are also other factors involved with having a grainy or bad photo.

For example my phone's camera looks good full screen with some pics on a 21inch monitor and some dont. It's a 4 ultra pixel camera, technically an 8-10 mega pixel.

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A 1080 P display can only display 2 million pixels without regard to the dimensions of your 1080P monitor and without regard to how many pixels your source file has. A larger source file does allow better zooming (as smaller and smaller areas of the larger file "still" have 2 million or more pixels to display), but you are still "top stopped" at viewing 2 million pixels, as that is the hardware limit of the monitor. If you take an 18MP source image and downsize it to 2MP, then display them both on your monitor at the same time, (no zooming) both will appear exactly the same.

 

[warpdrive]

Actually I cleaned the lens very carefully before I took this test shot.

Again, post your pictures taken in bright sunlight - please.

Forget the argumentative posting for a minute. Try a test shot if you are able to in HDR mode please.

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[JHBThree]

Here we go again. From the AC camera comparo:

"A bright, outdoor scene, and once again the Galaxy S4 comes out on top thanks to its higher megapixel count. the image from the HTC One suffers from noisy areas in spots of dark concrete. The warmer colors of the Galaxy S4 shot also make for a more pleasing image."

From the PhoneArena comparo:

"The HTC One deserves credit for keeping colors as true-to-life as possible, but we noticed that its camera has a tendency to underexpose objects when shot against a relatively brighter background. Also, there's a lack of contrast in its daytime shots. "

From GSMArena comparo:

"Winner: Samsung Galaxy S4. It's pretty clear that things are going in favor of the Galaxy S4 here. It produces sharper photos with better colors and there's resolution to crop things out. The narrower FoV is not ideal but it's not a deal-breaker.
The HTC One lost this round, though to be fair it was never expected to win a head-on fight in good lighting conditions. Its photos are certainly good enough (even better after the update) if you'll post them on Facebook or show them off on a TV, but don't come close to the samples produced with its competitor today."

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the reason why the pics posted here look like that. Your quoted sections even prove you wrong, because they note none of the issues present in those pictures

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[hpilot]

Forget the argumentative posting for a minute. Try a test shot if you are able to in HDR mode please.

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OK I will. I am not trying to argue, just get my camera to work.

HDR:

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[madlaw1071]

OK I will. I am not trying to argue, just get my camera to work.

HDR:

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Both awful.

 

[madlaw1071]

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the reason why the pics posted here look like that. Your quoted sections even prove you wrong, because they note none of the issues present in those pictures

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Sure they do. lack of sharpness, poor colors, lack of contrast, noisy dark areas. All present in his photos.

 

[warpdrive]

Sure they do. lack of sharpness, poor colors, lack of contrast, noisy dark areas. All present in his photos.

But, but, the pixels, they clearly let in more light regardless of the results.
Ok, I had my fun for the day. Now I'll stop.

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