Choosing the Nexus 5X over the Nexus 6P

[Adranalyne]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

This.

Not that I think the 6P is a bad phone by any stretch, but are we really rating QHD, the Snapdragon 810, and one GB of RAM (albeit a faster DDR4 version) as huge differences between these 2 phones? 1080p vs QHD really isn't a big difference at all and it saps performance/battery as a result. The 810 vs 808 isn't like comparing the 800 with the 810---in fact, given the choice, I'd choose the 808 over the 810. As far as the RAM goes, that's the only thing I'd say is worth the eyebrow raise towards the 5X.

By all means, people can view these things as more value for their money as pertains to the 6P. I'm just saying that specs sound good on paper, but don't always hold the same weight in real world usage.

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[Runningwarrior08]

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Not that I think the 6P is a bad phone by any stretch, but are we really rating QHD, the Snapdragon 810, and one GB of RAM (albeit a faster DDR4 version) as huge differences between these 2 phones? 1080p vs QHD really isn't a big difference at all and it saps performance/battery as a result. The 810 vs 808 isn't like comparing the 800 with the 810---in fact, given the choice, I'd choose the 808 over the 810. As far as the RAM goes, that's the only thing I'd say is worth the eyebrow raise towards the 5X.

By all means, people can view these things as more value for their money as pertains to the 6P. I'm just saying that specs sound good on paper, but don't always hold the same weight in real world usage.

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Honestly I ultimately cancelled my 5x and went with the 6p. I love smaller phones and will get a z5c most likely when it releases but to me the main value I compared was the screen to body ratio... The 5x is almost the same size as my G4 and I lose screen size. The 6p is very slightly taller and I gain screen size. To me going for the 5x would have been much easier if the screen to body ratio were better.
More ram is nice and all that but honestly the Gorilla Glass 4 was a big factor to me. All the other specs are just nice to have.

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[Zendroid1]

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More ram is nice and all that but honestly the Gorilla Glass 4 was a big factor to me. All the other specs are just nice to have.

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Just curious about the GG4. Why would that be a big factor? Every year we get a new GG and always hear how it's X% harder to scratch and X% harder to break. I've never really had problems with breaking or scratching, and this was probably even with GG1 or pre GG.

 

[Runningwarrior08]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

Just curious about the GG4. Why would that be a big factor? Every year we get a new GG and always hear how it's X% harder to scratch and X% harder to break. I've never really had problems with breaking or scratching, and this was probably even with GG1 or pre GG.

Fair question.

I've had many phones... Way too many to list ...its a problem I know.
My G4 has micro scratches on it and has gg3
N5 micro scratches again gg3
S6e not one micro scratch gg4

Now granted these are only visible in sunlight but that's where I use my phone the most so to me its valuable. I don't like screen protectors. The edge has been treated the worst out of all 3 of my most commonly used phones and looks the best. I just hate touchwiz with a passion so once I got my g4 a month ago I don't really use it. But yet the g4 has more scratches.

Each phone has the same usage patterns. Jeans pocket, nothing else in pocket, always placed face up, and none of them dropped. All no cases also. Could it be a fluke possibly but its worth the extra little bit to me.

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[PhiPsi32]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

I carried a Samsung S4 (GG3) almost two years Nüüd, no scratches, no problems.

 

[landale]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

Not that I think the 6P is a bad phone by any stretch, but are we really rating QHD, the Snapdragon 810, and one GB of RAM (albeit a faster DDR4 version) as huge differences between these 2 phones? 1080p vs QHD really isn't a big difference at all and it saps performance/battery as a result. The 810 vs 808 isn't like comparing the 800 with the 810---in fact, given the choice, I'd choose the 808 over the 810. As far as the RAM goes, that's the only thing I'd say is worth the eyebrow raise towards the 5X.

By all means, people can view these things as more value for their money as pertains to the 6P. I'm just saying that specs sound good on paper, but don't always hold the same weight in real world usage.

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I agree that many of the items such as QHD vs FHD, SD808 vs SD810, 2GB vs 3GB might not have major impact on real world performance but I don't believe that is the point. There are just so many aspects where the 6P has better specs which would be the items mentioned before plus the stereo speaker and the larger battery along with the superior build of metal vs plastic. I won't even argue that for many people the 5X is all the phone they would need or want as I myself have ordered both and plan on comparing them on real world benefits and not just specs. My simple point is that to get all of those higher priced items for only $70 makes the 6P a better value when looking at 5X pricing. I wished Google would have realized that a bit more with their 5X pricing in the US.

 

[anon(470989)]

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My current phone is the HTC One M7, GG2. I've had it for over 2 years, never used a screen protector because I hate them, and have only one scratch on it that was probably due to a mistake of putting it in the same pocket with my keys once. I think I would be fine with GG3 but 4 is still greater than 3.

 

[Adranalyne]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

I agree that many of the items such as QHD vs FHD, SD808 vs SD810, 2GB vs 3GB might not have major impact on real world performance but I don't believe that is the point. There are just so many aspects where the 6P has better specs which would be the items mentioned before plus the stereo speaker and the larger battery along with the superior build of metal vs plastic. I won't even argue that for many people the 5X is all the phone they would need or want as I myself have ordered both and plan on comparing them on real world benefits and not just specs. My simple point is that to get all of those higher priced items for only $70 makes the 6P a better value when looking at 5X pricing. I wished Google would have realized that a bit more with their 5X pricing in the US.

I think we should be looking at it the other way. The 6P is a lot of phone for not a lot of money, but that doesn't mean the 5X is too expensive for what it brings, either. I think the problem most people are having is that they're comparing the two and not seeing that they're two different sized phones with two very different builds.

You shouldn't pass on the 5X because the 6P has "better" specs. You should pass on it if it doesn't have the storage option you want or you want a larger device.

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[CeruleanBlue58]

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Pricing structure is everything. My guess, a significant number of buyers will opt for the 6p over 5X based mostly upon bang-per-buck. Personally, as an N4 owner I hope this leads to an oversupply of the 5x, and subsequent price drop for me owning one.

 

[Aquila]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

The valuation can be done one of two ways: Either the cheapest of each option or the most similar of each option. Assuming that people are considering both, the attractiveness of the feature set will most likely dictate that they consider more than just the base of each model, as if the higher model is in their price range at base, so is a more fully featured of the lower model. This is used in car purchasing, as an example comparing a Dodge Dart to a Dodge Charger. There is approximately $11,000 between the MSRP of the most base model of each car, however only about $7,000 between the most commonly spec'd vehicles (and cars obviously have more differences than phones do). Meanwhile there is over $16,000 between the most commonly purchased models of each.

 

[minnemike]

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Here is some value food for thought: My N4 cost only $16 less than my N5x (same 16GB).

 

[Zendroid1]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

Here's how I value 5x vs 6p:

Material: I give the Edge to the 5x since I like plastic and light
Size: I give the edge to the 5x since I want a smaller device
Battery: I give the edge to the 5x since its pushing less pixels and less ram, it should have great battery life
Camera: I give the edge to the 6p because it has better slo mo and burst
Screen: Edge 6p in terms of material and pixels but edge to 5x to save on battery
Storage: I would have gotten 32 on either model so they are equal to me
Price: 5x because it's cheaper

So that's why I went 5x.

 

[Almeuit]

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Also remember .. just because it costs more doesn't mean it is worth more. Just like some could fork out an extra $20 or $40 a month for more data .. chances are they would rather just tone their usage down and save the money. Some may really love the Nexus 5X and that is okay -- So forking out that extra $$ isn't worth to them .

 

[Premium1]

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So I keep seeing comments that with a $70 price difference, the 6P with better specs is a better buy than the 5X. I think this is a bit misleading. The price gap is $70 but only for the 32GB model. There is a poll in the 6P forum asking what storage capacity people are buying. Currently, fourty six respondents (4 out of 5) indicated that they are buying the 64 or 128GB model. For these folks, the price gap is $120 and $220 respectively. I propose that when comparing the two models it is more reasonable to consider the $120 difference for the 6P when deciding which phone is the better value. (Certainly folks who need at least 64GB of on board storage don't have a choice as the 5X isn't available in this capacity). I wonder if opinions would be different if we considered the effective difference in price at $120 or more.

I think the 6P is the better long term buy. It already has certain features the 5x does not and never will, and who knows what other features it will get access to that the 5x never will be able to due to the specs. I look at it like this. If I am going to get a flagship device, I want to get the best of the best for the time being, and with nexus it is the 6P.

 

[DJ Sandman]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

The 5x deserves to have at least a 3000 mAh battery, 3 GB of RAM and stereo speakers. If I want a newer budget Smartphone, I will be more interested in the Droid Maxx 2 (aka Moto X Play) which I hear will retail at $300 by the end of the month. It may have lesser specs, but at least it has a 3,630 battery.

 

[Adranalyne]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

I think the 6P is the better long term buy. It already has certain features the 5x does not and never will, and who knows what other features it will get access to that the 5x never will be able to due to the specs. I look at it like this. If I am going to get a flagship device, I want to get the best of the best for the time being, and with nexus it is the 6P.

I don't put too much stock into the future because they make a better Nexus every year and they generally aren't very expensive. So within one year, this 5X will be just fine and most will move on to the next one.

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[Premium1]

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I don't put too much stock into the future because they make a better Nexus every year and they generally aren't very expensive. So within one year, this 5X will be just fine and most will move on to the next one.

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Well yeah if you upgrade every year then long term doesn't matter. But for those who keep their devices more than one year, that could come into play.

 

[PhiPsi32]

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The two year replacement cycle was the industry norm. With contracts going away and early upgrade plans, one year replacement is or will become the norm. So I agree that the future weaknesses of current specs will be offset by more frequent handset replacement.

 

[Adranalyne]

Re: 5X vs 6P Value Proposition (Price Difference)

Well yeah if you upgrade every year then long term doesn't matter. But for those who keep their devices more than one year, that could come into play.

The only thing that concerns me with the 5X for a 2 year cycle is the RAM. Felt like they could have done 3GB for little extra cost, even if they opted for $399/$449 instead.

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[landale]

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The only thing that concerns me with the 5X for a 2 year cycle is the RAM. Felt like they could have done 3GB for little extra cost, even if they opted for $399/$449 instead.

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For me the 2GB of ram is one of the things that doesn't bother me. I have that now on my 2014 Moto X and it's never been an issue. That combined with better ram management in Marshmallow and losing 100-200mb of ram used by Moto apps I will no longer have should actually make the experience even better.