Deep Sleep and Batt drain

[flyboy28802]

So I am one of the unlucky ones were my battery seems to drain quicker than most. I have done most of standard tips and tricks with only minimal avail. So I started troubleshooting to find a root cause or to make for discussion.

I have stock .211, (I did try .215 and when back) with several FDRs and wipes of caches. I have even tried a FDR with just the stock apps that get loaded from the image. My testing environment consists of my phone sitting in the same position on my desk during (at work) all the testing.

What I have found is that my phone has a drain rate of 3-4% per hour just sitting. It doesn't matter if the phone is in 3g or 4g the change if minimal if any. Next I tried Airplane mode, still about the same maybe 3% or so. Hmm, why the drain if the radios are turned off, so I decided to put the phone into Deep Sleep, (power button, choose sleep) figuring that should shut down just about everything. I still got about a 2.5 - 3% an hour drain rate.

Now I am at a loss, why would I still get that much of a drain with the radios off and the phone in ideal? Even the graphs show no activity during the period of sleep but down goes the battery.

The only thing I haven't tried is to charge the battery to 100% and turn the phone off. With that I shouldn't get no substantial discharge rate. I guess if I do then I have a weak battery huh?

One think I notice as a constant is that my Android OS is always around 26 - 45% when I don't have a lot going on. For example, I take the phone do a shut down, and restart then take it off charge at 100%, let it sit for 1 - 4 hours and the Android OS will be at 36ish percent. This seems in consistant to what others have reported and what my wife gets on her Thunderbolt.

Any thoughts or suggestions to further trap? I am not ruling out a hardware issue, but I am leaning more towards ICS.

 

[fatboy97]

Another let's blame ICS thread... sorry, it's "I am leaning more towards ICS" thread.

I know I will never figure out what your issue... I'm guessing FDRs mean some type of factory reset. Just going to stock app does not mean that those apps can not cause some serious battery drains. I don't use but a hand full of the apps that came with my device... Facebook, but I limit the sync to once every 4 hours which helps.

I use Smart Actions every day, 24/7, so I'm fairly sure that is not a big battery drain. I don't use MotoCast, or any other Moto app or for that matter any Verizon specific app. There are just too many variables of apps. I've always said you have to know what your device is doing and how YOU setup every app. At least with ICS I can disable all apps from Verizon that I don't use, and I do disable a lot... (Amazon Kindle, Apps, Email, MOG Music, Motoactv, NFL Mobile, Slacker, Slingbox, Tasks, VCast Tones, VideoSurf, VZ Navigator, just to name a few). Ultimately there are just too many things that it could be, but I seriously doubt if I would lean towards ICS. If it was ICS then EVERYBODY would be having a problem with ICS... and it's not everybody.

 

[flyboy28802]

Hey, I am not 100% blaming ICS, I am trying to narrow down a battery drain when the thing sits ideal, with no radios turned on, or in a deep sleep were everything is supposed to be at its best power-savings it could be. The fact is that my old Sprint EVO could sit a week in Airplane mode and only be down to 80% battery, my Maxx not so much in 3 days the battery will be depleted in Airplane/Sleep mode. So I have to ask why whats the difference if the Evo and the Maxx are running the same basic apps?

If the problem is unique to my phone what are the differences I have with others; maybe I have a weak battery but before I am willing to make a warranty claim I need to know if its some rouge app that I can get rid of, or if something in the ICS Kernel didn't flash well when installed and a new update will fix. I am not claiming the phone is unusable, in fact even with the battery drain I still have a greater runtime then what my EVO had.

See you did help, I was able to explain my issue a little better.

 

[B. Diddy]

Could be one of your apps. Could you post a list of them?

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Android Central Forums

 

[flyboy28802]

Here are a couple of screen shots.

Outside of what normally gets loaded up from stock boot, I have BeWeather that gets loaded and run the Yahoo Mail app. I don't use the Facebook app, in fact I don't even have the login information entered. I don't use netflix or any of that. I also us GoPower meter. I also have sync turned off.

 

[B. Diddy]

Are those really the only other apps you have installed? I.e., BeWeather, Yahoo Mail, and GoPower? Let us know about every app you've downloaded and installed.

Do you have any security/antivirus programs installed?

 

[fatboy97]

Airplane mode does not shut off apps... last time I flew and actually used Airplane mode I found apps where still running during an actual flight. I found the best thing was on the return flight to put on airplane mode and then reboot.

The other thing I would recommend is using Smart Actions app to setup a Sleep rule for a specific timeframe, or whatever conditions you want, then set the Actions to disable "Cellular data," "Background sync," "Wi-Fi," and whatever other things you might want. I usually like to have mine plugged in to do a full charge before I get up in the morning... but that is the way I use my Maxx.

A list of your apps might help also.

 

[flyboy28802]

Sorry for the long delay.
Here is the list of apps that I have on my phone in addition to the stock apps.
Google +
Gps Test
Widgetsoid2.x
Facebook (not used, not even logged in)
Netflix (not used)
Verizon Tones (not used)
Better Battery Stats (Used)
BeWeather (used)
Bookmarks to SD (Dolphin Add on)
Business Calendar Free
Camera Zoom FX
Color Splash (for Camera zoom)
Directv
Dolphin Browser
Dolphin Desktop Toggle
ES File Explorer
FlightAware
Gmail
Go Power Master (used)
Google Play Books
Google Play Movies
Google Play Music
Kindle
Maps
Moto Print (not used)
My Backup Pro
My Data Manager (used)
My Verizon
Naviator (used)
Navigon USA
NFl Mobile
Open Signal Maps
Player Dreams
Real Calc
Restore Connectivity Settings
Shop Savvy
Google Sky Map
SmartActions
Swiftkey 3 Keyboard
system Panel App
Tesla LED Flashlight
Verizon Video
VideoSurf Video Discovery
Voice Search
VZ Navigatior
Yahoo mail (used)
Yahoo Messenger (used)
You Tube

I even did my experiments just flashing back to stock and turning everything off, and still got a battery drain with none of MY apps even installed. I have noticed that others in a couple of different forums seem to have this same battery drain rate as I.

My initial thoughts are is some process in the Android OS is keeping just enough cpu running to have a steady drain; or something didn't upgrade well when going to ICS that is hanging a process. Personally I think its one of the crapware that gets loaded on by default that I can't turn off like Motocast or Zumo service. I guess I could root and find out, but I understand there is a new system update due to hit the road sometime next month so I might wait and test again.

Even though I have a 3 - 4% battery drain per hour, this still lasts longer than my HTC Evo with the extended battery so I would not say I am unhappy overall, but I am unhappy when I put the phone into Airplane Mode or Sleep and the battery still continues to discharge at this higher rate.

FB

 

[fatboy97]

First, I'm not sure I even have time or the effort to go through that many apps.... all I can say is wow!!!

I even did my experiments just flashing back to stock and turning everything off, and still got a battery drain with none of MY apps even installed. I have noticed that others in a couple of different forums seem to have this same battery drain rate as I.

My initial thoughts are is some process in the Android OS is keeping just enough cpu running to have a steady drain; or something didn't upgrade well when going to ICS that is hanging a process. Personally I think its one of the crapware that gets loaded on by default that I can't turn off like Motocast or Zumo service. I guess I could root and find out, but I understand there is a new system update due to hit the road sometime next month so I might wait and test again.

I would not hold my breath and depend on some update fixing your issue... might happen. Just a thought, but did you restore any data or settings... with My Backup Pro, or any other app? You must have setup something to get a battery drain.

Even though I have a 3 - 4% battery drain per hour, this still lasts longer than my HTC Evo with the extended battery so I would not say I am unhappy overall, but I am unhappy when I put the phone into Airplane Mode or Sleep and the battery still continues to discharge at this higher rate.

FB

And when I read this it looks like you did not even read my last post about having to reboot after you put your device in Airplane mode just to be sure nothing is running. Am I just wasting my time typing?

 

[flyboy28802]

Fatboy97
I tried the reboot in Airplane mood, no joy which is what led me to believe it was something other than a rouge app I was loading. That was proven to me when I ran my testing just using the stock load after a reformat. The only way I have found to shut down the battery drain is to fully shut off the phone. After 5 hours no battery draing as one might expect.

I really don't believe there is anything left to try. I will still take recommendations, but I wouldn't want people wasting their typing time on this for no benefit.

 

[fatboy97]

Fatboy97
I tried the reboot in Airplane mood, no joy which is what led me to believe it was something other than a rouge app I was loading. That was proven to me when I ran my testing just using the stock load after a reformat. The only way I have found to shut down the battery drain is to fully shut off the phone. After 5 hours no battery draing as one might expect.

I really don't believe there is anything left to try. I will still take recommendations, but I wouldn't want people wasting their typing time on this for no benefit.

Interesting, but again... no answer to my questions... did you any apps to restore any of your settings or data after you "flashed back to stock"????

 

[flyboy28802]

Dude! talk about not reading, have you read anything I wrote?

I guess not. If you had you would have deduced from the comment " I ran my testing just using the stock load after a reformat. " would have indicated I did not use a restore apps in one of my testing environments.

You know what I am done with this silliness. Thanks for the assistance...

 

[flyboy28802]

Thread closed.

 

[bradenfontaine]

Rooted with all Verizon bloatware removed. Then again... I do have juice defender running. I'd look into it. It's free. Paid version has more options. But that's only good for limited data. Your issue sounds like a rouge app eating CPU. In that case bite the bullet and pay for System Panel. It will show you detailed info on what is eating your CPU.

sent from the fingers of a madman
BradenFontaine@gmail.com

 

[speedfreek64]

Might be worthwhile complaining to Verizon. I got a replacement Maxx because my 1st one had a blown speaker. The 2nd one never had as good battery life as the 1st one. Both were used the same with the same apps. Tried all the tricks posted in the forums but nothing helped. Last week I complained again and got a 3rd Maxx and now I've got good battery life again! I kinda hated to complain about the 2nd one since it seemed fine except for the battery life but now I'm glad I did!