Droid Turbo: Lollipop software update?

[vzwuser76]

Dan Mead was NEVER the CEO of the entire company. He was head of Wireless but reported to McAdam. McAdam has been CEO of Verizon Communications as a whole since 2010 when he replaced Ivan Seidenberg. Mead is now involved in a special project and when that wraps up he will retire.

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That's what I said, that Dan Mead was the CEO for Verizon Wireless, which is who we're dealing with here. If all you have is cell service, it's through Verizon Wireless, not plain Verizon or Verizon Communications. Yes, Verizon Wireless is a part of Verizon Communications, but in terms of wireless service, that's handled through Verizon Wireless. And when Lowell McAdam was CEO of Verizon Wireless, he was the person we usually got our info from, not the CFO. That was the point I was making.

 

[vzwuser76]

I believe that 129 db is incorrect. Unless I'm mistaken the lowest you can have is -120

Here's a screenshot to prove it.

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums...creenshot_2015-06-08-00-01-55_zpsckhm85yy.png

 

[Eclipse2K]

Here's a screenshot to prove it.

http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums...creenshot_2015-06-08-00-01-55_zpsckhm85yy.png

Completely fake.

Okay, for real though I've heard this can happen. When I was having service issues due to ice on the towers my LTE signal was -120 dBm and I was still able to make/receive calls and texts/data. I asked a tech support agent how that's possible and while I forgot the highest number possible he did mention its well beyond -120.

Ah good ol technology. Changing just to confuse us!?

 

[doogald]

People who do the soak tests don't officially "sign" anything but by going through the survey you have to take before the soak begins, and agreeing to the conditions (Non disclosure being one of them), you have to agree that you aren't going to disclose information. If you don't agree, you don't soak. If you do agree, and disclose anyways, you can be punished (mostly by loss of soak test privileges but I'm sure they can have other ramifications if they wanted to).

In essence, by filling out the electronic survey, agreeing to the terms and conditions and providing the information they requested, then you are "signing" the NDA.

Same as accepting terms and conditions on a website or piece of software, while you don't officially sign, by agreeing to the terms you can be held legally responsible.

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Yes, I hear that they do all of that. What I said was that you are not signing a non-disclosure agreement legally, and there is no legal recourse that Motorola can use like they could if you actually signed an NDA. If they tried to, especially if they tried to recover monetary damages, it would never hold up in court. In fact, I have read people who have mentioned facts about a soak test update on this site who have then mentioned later on that they were part of future soak tests, so I don't think that Motorola spends too much time punishing people about discussing soak tests as they happen.

My point is that an NDA is a real legal thing that specifies real penalties that a soak test participator never signs. Yes, it's a pedantic point.

I personally never would disclose anything about a soak test, but the fact remains that I have never, ever heard of a soak test that hasn't been publicized within an hour on multiple sites on the Internet, including this one.

If a lollipop update to the turbo happens in the coming week or two without a soak test, especially after a soak test for the emergency dialing update on the Motorola X that didn't happen on the last two Droid platforms, I'm going to wonder if Motorola has decided not to do them on the droids anymore, or if Verizon has asked them not to.

 

[mobrules]

I have a sinking feeling the 10th will come and go without any fanfare. But I can't say I'm right and hope that I'm wrong.

 

[Namrobo]

Honestly, i hope June 10th is legit. However i will not update on the spot. I plan on getting an idea on what possible bugs there will be before i jump on the bandwagon.
Another month won't hurt, because im a power user and my phone is my primary computing/gaming/networking device daily.
Last thing i want is half battery life, or lag.
And iv been waiting for this damn update since feb.

 

[antk90]

No soak test = no June 10.

 

[tvouge]

No soak test = no June 10.

Not true. There have been numerous updates released from moto without a soak test being public.

Facts > Speculation

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[antk90]

I'm sure motorola and Verizon are going to release a 500 MB update without testing it. I've had motorola phones since the original droid X. Will not happen.

 

[Ry]

No soak test = no June 10.

Remember, soak and start of rollout to non-soak users can sometimes happen simultaneously.

While I don't believe the June 10th date, I do feel like we're getting closer as a bunch of Moto X variants are getting 5.1 today (6/8).

 

[KPMcClave]

Not true. There have been numerous updates released from moto without a soak test being public.

Facts > Speculation

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Name one major Verizon OS update that Moto has not soak tested in the past couple of years.

 

[Ry]

I'm sure motorola and Verizon are going to release a 500 MB update without testing it. I've had motorola phones since the original droid X. Will not happen.

Soak tests to end users are very very late in the process. Most, if not all of the time, the software is the same version as the final.

 

[TurboHope]

This isn't anything new for any of us, just like the way they state that we all should be happy we didn't get lp 5.0.

http://androidspin.com/2015/06/07/android-5-1-for-the-motorola-droid-turbo-is-coming-june-10th/

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[tvouge]

Name one major Verizon OS update that Moto has not soak tested in the past couple of years.

Tricky tricky. What's your definition of "major?" Also, note my original wording - public soak test. I'm not saying that they don't test their updates, of course they do. But they don't always offer soak tests publicly before release, and sometimes they have conducted their soak tests while doing the OTA (which, honestly doesn't seem to make sense to me).

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[Aquila]

Wednesday has a 3% chance of being correct.

M Dev Nexus 6 Assassin Edition. Android Central Moderator.

 

[KPMcClave]

Tricky tricky. What's your definition of "major?" Also, note my original wording - public soak test. I'm not saying that they don't test their updates, of course they do. But they don't always offer soak tests publicly before release, and sometimes they have conducted their soak tests while doing the OTA (which, honestly doesn't seem to make sense to me).

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So you can't name one?

As I've said before, it's certainly technically possible they would release a major OS update with no public soak test, but that would be bigger news than the update itself given their normal MO and Lollipop's reputation.

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[travaz]

I have seen soak tests that were 24 hours before the software was rolled out to the public. The main advantage of a soak for Motorola is that they get direct and immediate feed back from the soakers. It is normally final software and it lets them keep an eye on what is going on. I have also been told that soaks can be upwards of 20,000 participants.

 

[Tom Furlan]

I've been signed up for the soak tests for the last few years on the Droid Bionic and Droid Maxx. I think I was part of every test, but none of them happened more than a day before the release to the general public - at least for me. So the whole point of soak test seems pointless to me. By the time I was able to provide feedback, the upgrades were already available to everyone else..

 

[nocaldawg]

Major update Wednesday = Android M

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[TJ Kelly Jr]

Yes, I hear that they do all of that. What I said was that you are not signing a non-disclosure agreement legally, and there is no legal recourse that Motorola can use like they could if you actually signed an NDA. If they tried to, especially if they tried to recover monetary damages, it would never hold up in court. In fact, I have read people who have mentioned facts about a soak test update on this site who have then mentioned later on that they were part of future soak tests, so I don't think that Motorola spends too much time punishing people about discussing soak tests as they happen.

My point is that an NDA is a real legal thing that specifies real penalties that a soak test participator never signs. Yes, it's a pedantic point.

I personally never would disclose anything about a soak test, but the fact remains that I have never, ever heard of a soak test that hasn't been publicized within an hour on multiple sites on the Internet, including this one.

If a lollipop update to the turbo happens in the coming week or two without a soak test, especially after a soak test for the emergency dialing update on the Motorola X that didn't happen on the last two Droid platforms, I'm going to wonder if Motorola has decided not to do them on the droids anymore, or if Verizon has asked them not to.

I would never reveal soak test information as I take the non disclosure part very seriously. Yes, some are going to disclose and possibly not get caught. Others are going to get caught. As I stated, the penalty is typically going to be loss of future soak opportunities.

I seriously doubt that they would go after monetary punishment as it's not really that big of a deal for software that is going to be released within a week anyways. I don't think there is any kind of monetary loss for them so I don't think they would bother.

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't have examples or proof, but I would bet that they've covered their bases in case they wanted to pursue monetary damages with their current procedures.

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