Dual Core vs. Quad Core

[s14tat]

only partialy right.
snapdragon S4 wont be better energy efficiency than Exynos 4412 (S3 has better battery life than One X) due to HKMG on 32nm process of exynos 4412.
Intel developed HKMG to replace ordinary semi conductor's silicon (SiO2) so it can reduce power leakage so it runs at much lower power.
reducing size of process helps on power (so both chip's better than old 40s nm) but cuz of HKMG, Exynos 4412 is better on power consumption.

Thanks, I did not know that. Now we have more ammo against the HTC guys.

 

[jamisont]

I read some user reviews of the one x in the forum and most seemed happy with the battery life, all this with a screen of almost identical size and a smaller battery and the arguably resource heavy sense weighing things down. We won't know until we see it ourselves.

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I said both phone improved on battery life compare to previous versions of phones. 45nm to 28nm improved on energy consumption for snapdragon, also 45nm to 32nm for exynos.

(4'8 2100mah)

(4'7 1800mah)

notice web browsing time? usually AMOLED is well behind on web browsing time since white color drains more power for amoled than LCD.
difference wouldnt be all on battery size to me.

(galaxy nexus 4'7 1750mah)

galaxy note (5'3 2500mah) only lasted 3:25hr on web browsing also.

 

[MannyZ28]

I know that they both improved, and I know about the Exynos' fancy new battery saving thingy, but still, it does have a bigger battery. Combine the bigger battery with the fairly efficient S4, and you should have similar battery life.

 

[RonD]

Thanks, I did not know that. Now we have more ammo against the HTC guys.

Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
(It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.

 

[s14tat]

Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
(It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.

Maybe I should stop looking down at the barrel of a loaded gun.

 

[LazrRocketArm]

Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
(It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.

I think the s4 is not hkmg. Here's a quote
" Qualcomm says they chose TSMC's Poly/SiON and just LP (low power) transistors instead of LPG transistors, which are similar but tend to leak at higher temperatures. According to Qualcomm there's less risk associated with TSMC"

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...es-its-2012-superchip-28nm-snapdragon-s4.aspx

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[jamisont]

Samsung and Qualcomm also use HKMG. It's pretty much standard at the 32 and below sizes.
(It was also developed and used by IBM, AMD, Samsung, and TSMC) (Qualcomm parts are built by TSMC) I think your ammo has a misfire.

Qualcomm dont use HKMG, cuz they get it from TSMC and TSMC only have 28LP available (this process uses PolySiON not HKMG ) so far.
it would take time for TSMC to fully mass produce 28HPL(HKMG) for AMD, ATI then 28HP(HKMG) much later for Nvidia.

anyway HKMG was first developed by IBM tech alliance (basically its IBM+Samsung+STM+GF now). AMD didnt use HKMG until 32nm they've used Immersion lithography isntead. (Intel used HKMG on their 45nm, Penryn)

 

[JobiWan144]

I said both phone improved on battery life compare to previous versions of phones. 45nm to 28nm improved on energy consumption for snapdragon, also 45nm to 32nm for exynos.

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(4'8 2100mah)

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(4'7 1800mah)

notice web browsing time? usually AMOLED is well behind on web browsing time since white color drains more power for amoled than LCD.
difference wouldnt be all on battery size to me.

Click to view quoted image

(galaxy nexus 4'7 1750mah)

galaxy note (5'3 2500mah) only lasted 3:25hr on web browsing also.

HTC One X? Try the EVO 4G LTE instead. It beats the SGSIII by a little bit overall. But if web browsing is your major activity, it dominates. Look at the attachment for this 4.7", 2000mAh puppy running the Qualcomm S4 CPU.

 

[jamisont]

HTC One X? Try the EVO 4G LTE instead. It beats the SGSIII by a little bit overall. But if web browsing is your major activity, it dominates. Look at the attachment for this 4.7", 2000mAh puppy running the Qualcomm S4 CPU.

this is kinda meaningless now since we know S3's gonna get snapdragon S4 for LTE version. anyway are you telling me snapdragon S4 beats exynos 4412?

there are some benchmarks like vellamo, nenamark, pi benchmark that S4 has higher score but rest of em, Exynos has edge. (antutu, quadrants, GLBenchmark, rightware basemark, browsermark, sunspider etc)
so tell me which one beats the other?

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

this is kinda meaningless now since we know S3's gonna get snapdragon S4 for LTE version. anyway are you telling me snapdragon S4 beats exynos 4412?

there are some benchmarks like vellamo, nenamark, pi benchmark that S4 has higher score but rest of em, Exynos has edge. (antutu, quadrants, GLBenchmark, rightware basemark, browsermark, sunspider etc)
so tell me which one beats the other?

You tell me why benchmarks matter. The only time I use them and consider them reliable is when comparing different rom/kernel combinations on the same device.

Real world performance is what matters.

People that have handled both phones (quad core variants) do say that the SGSIII has a slight edge in speed during regular use. But they also state clearly that neither one is slow.

I will be really curious to see battery life tests on the US version of the SGSIII, though, because it should be really impressive.

 

[Suntan]

My gut feel, based on the various articles on the web (and based on the direction the wind is blowing at the moment…) tells me that the dual core S4 will be a little better than the Quad core in things like web page rendering. While the quad will be a little better than the dual in graphics heavy game capability.

Taking that with a grain of salt, but I think this favors the dual core S4 chip for two reasons.

First, you just aren’t going to see a tangible difference in games because games won’t be setup to make use of any difference. (…At the expense of getting boo’s from the peanut gallery that just likes to hate on Tegra…) I see it that we aren’t going to get games that specifically make use of any extra gfx power outside of the Terga optimized games. They will continue to be the top end of capability this go around.

In general, non-THD games being released/maintained right now are going to be optimized for the S4 chip at least. Just think of how many handsets are going to be out there running the S4 chip (not just GSIII, but all the HTC phones too, etc.) and a game developer would be crazy not to make sure their game was optimized for it. So if the S4 plays it, it doesn't matter if another chip can play it "with a little extra left over."

Second, faster web rendering is something that can be noticed and improved upon. It isn’t something that becomes meaningless once a minimum threshold is met (like games.) With games, once your chip is fast enough to play the game smoothly, all the extra doesn’t matter. With web rendering, every second eliminated is tangible.

Anyway, I’d be jazzed with either chip. I just want my new phone!

-Suntan

 

[hoovhartid]

What everyone REALLY wanted was either the Exynos 5250 dual core (also based on A15 with the newer Mali 604 gpu, compared to the Mali 400) or the S4 Pro which incorporates the new Adreno 320. Seems like both of these SoCs aren't in the cards for any devices until Christmas rolls around or maybe even into next year.

think Sammy may put one of these two mixes in the Note2...which should be out right around October....I can dream anyway..

 

[kevindd992002]

How better, in terms of battery life, is the US SGS3 (dual-core) compared to the International SGS3 (quad-core)? I'm using the International version here in the Philippines right now. Would it be better to sell this phone right now and buy an unlocked phone from the US?

Also, would the US SGS3's LTE feature work here in our country considering that our upcoming 4G LTE network would use 1800MHz?

 

[xKrNMBoYx]

It won't be drastically different if the quad-core is clocked down much lower than the dual-core.

I do wish I had the quad-core + 2gb version. It would be slightly future proof as I doubt some manufacturer would come out with a 6-8 core SoC.

Now I wish the US Variants had the S4 Quad-Core that is being worked on.

 

[anon(156377)]

It won't be drastically different if the quad-core is clocked down much lower than the dual-core.

I do wish I had the quad-core + 2gb version. It would be slightly future proof as I doubt some manufacturer would come out with a 6-8 core SoC.

Now I wish the US Variants had the S4 Quad-Core that is being worked on.

The international is quad core, 1GB, not 2. I'd rather have an extra gig of RAM than quad core with no LTE.

Sent from my Galaxy Note.

 

[camiller]

The international is quad core, 1GB, not 2. I'd rather have an extra gig of RAM than quad core with no LTE.

Sent from my Galaxy Note.

I think he was referring to the Korean version not the international version.

Korea gets quad-core Samsung Galaxy S3 on LTE | Mobile - CNET News

Built with a later version of the quad-core chip that supports LTE.

 

[anon(156377)]

I think he was referring to the Korean version not the international version.

Korea gets quad-core Samsung Galaxy S3 on LTE | Mobile - CNET News

Built with a later version of the quad-core chip that supports LTE.

Well then, I retract my previous statement.

Sent from my Galaxy Note.