EVO without google...

[VKitty]

Nothing. I laugh when I see Preware in the list. For me, my EVO did everything out of the box that I had to patch my Pre to do. I've also got more apps on my EVO in one month than I had on my Pre in a year (including homebrew). No surprise the Android OS is gaining market share. A very good OS with a much better distribution strategy than ANY of its competitors.

I didnt want to hijack the other thread, so I made a new one.


I want to see Google do what they have done WITHOUT the money Google has.

I mean what could they do with a budget of a small company say palm (just before the buyout)

 

[Kedar]

As unfortunate as it is, Palm moves very slowly. As a small company they took a long time getting the WebOS platform to become even stable...

And I don't think you can compare Google to Palm that way anyway.
... because Google built themselves up from a search engine to developing an open mobile operating systme...
And since Google started off as a search engine and broadened their horizons to things like MAPS and MAIL, the integration between all of their features becomes seamless.

I think the determining factor comes down to size. And that's why Palm merging with HP was a good choice under those circumstances. However, we'll see how the HP/Palm merge goes sooner or later.

 

[VKitty]

And I don't think you can compare Google to Palm that way anyway.
... because Google built themselves up from a search engine to developing an open mobile operating system...

Google didn't develop a open mobile operating system, they BOUGHT it. Just do a seach ::smile::

 

[pwnst_r]

Google didn't develop a open mobile operating system, they BOUGHT it. Just do a seach ::smile::

They didn't start it. They most certainly did most of the developing. Just do a search.

 

[Darth Mo]

No offense, but who cares?

If you research, you'll find most of our most technological masterpieces weren't brought to prominence by their creators.

Pretty much started with Tesla.

 

[VKitty]

They didn't start it. They most certainly did most of the developing. Just do a search.

I have, they did add to it, but they did not do what I would consider develop it.. I am thinking more along the lines of WebOS or Apples OS.. Even Windows....Things like that.

 

[VKitty]

No offense, but who cares?

If you research, you'll find most of our most technological masterpieces weren't brought to prominence by their creators.

That was no what I was actually talking about.. So, I dont care to much about HOW they got the OS... Just the fact that without Google money, they would not have done everything people are talking about as far as the EVO.. Or even Android. (remember Google PAYed carriers to sell there phones)


Just saying that there are small companies that do a great job of things, and I just wish they would get the credit they deserve..


I was commenting on a post about WebOS and the homebrew community .. and the post I see about the fact the EVO does out of the box what palm has to do with homebrew..

A company that can do something with sooo little money, that come VERY close to a company with alot of money.. Amazes me. I was wondering what those companies would do IF they did not have there deep pockets.


Also.. I wonder what Palm is going to do... Now that it has as deep a pocket as Google.

 

[pwnst_r]

I have, they did add to it, but they did not do what I would consider develop it.. I am thinking more along the lines of WebOS or Apples OS.. Even Windows....Things like that.

Point taken =]

 

[pwnst_r]

No offense, but who cares?

If you research, you'll find most of our most technological masterpieces weren't brought to prominence by their creators.

Pretty much started with Tesla.

No worries. Unlike most people, I don't take offense to anything.

 

[KSmithInNY]

Google didn't develop a open mobile operating system, they BOUGHT it. Just do a seach ::smile::

While thats true, google purchased a small startup company created by Andy Rubin called Android inc., what google did with the acquisition is nothing short of amazing. Look at Andy's other mobile OS startup (Danger Inc.) which was purchased by another large company (Microsoft) who also plays a small role in the mobile OS game. Now compare Danger to Android ... see anything different? Android still exists and Danger is dead as of July 2nd?

To try and fault google (by fault i mean you emphasized the word "BOUGHT" as if its a bad thing) for purchasing a company, is not doing them justice for the allocation of funds to Android after purchase and growing the brand. Have you ever seen what Android looked like or how it functioned before the purchase? Do a google search and check it out. It was AT BEST a feature phone OS and not even in the realm of being considered a smart phone.

For all those people who LOVE webOS just sit tight. Matias Duarte, the guy who created the UI for the Sidekick OS with Andy Rubin, the same guy who created the UI for webOS, has come Android and is now the "User Experience Director for Android OS". Anybody can see where this is going to lead within a couple of years...

 

[VKitty]

For all those people who LOVE webOS just sit tight. Matias Duarte, the guy who created the UI for the Sidekick OS with Andy Rubin, the same guy who created the UI for webOS, has come Android and is now the "User Experience Director for Android OS". Anybody can see where this is going to lead within a couple of years...

Wow, that's alot of info.. Lol, but thanx!

I guess it pays to buy the right companies, as well as the right talent. I am just not a big fan of big companies, but I do give credit to google.. (they just might be getting a bit to big for me lol)

 

[AndroidOne]

I didnt want to hijack the other thread, so I made a new one.


I want to see Google do what they have done WITHOUT the money Google has.

I mean what could they do with a budget of a small company say palm (just before the buyout)

Your post seems to reflect some bitterness and resentment about the success of Android vs. the uncertain future of WebOS. The current state of affairs that Palm (and WebOS) finds itself in today is not Google's (or MS or Apple's) fault, IS Palm's fault.

You need to look back and understand that Palm was a small company that developed the Palm PDA and with it became a dominant force on the PDA market. Then they bought another company, Handspring and their successful line of PalmOS powered smartphone devices, the Treo. Palm then became, and for several years remained, a dominant force on the smartphone market.

However, Palm as a company rapidly became stagnant, failed to move forward it's OS providing no inovation until they finally sold the rights to their own OS to Access. After the release of the Treo 650, Palm stopped all meaningful development work on it's PalmOS platform - just continued to slap the same OS version to every future PalmOS Treo product. In the meantime, other mobile OS platforms continue growing it's offerings eroding Palm's market share.

When the iPhone hit the market it redifined what a smartphone should be for the masses and became a dominant force on the smartphone market. By that time, Palm's market share had shrinked considerably from the exodus of many loyal customers such as myself and was in no position to compete. Microsoft, despite it enormous resources, also failed to respond rapidly enough and finds itself painfully behind the curve right now.

The only major company that moved in and committed sufficient resources to acquire and develop a competing mobile OS paltform was Google. So Android was born to little fanfare, overtime however, has been adopted by major hardware manufacturers and is now represented on most North American carriers with good quality and competitive hardware.

WebOS is a revolutionary concept, in many ways similar to what Palm OS was on it's day. For Palm however, was just too little too late. I hold the future of WebOS at this point as uncertain. Do to conflicting statements from HP, is difficult to guess what they intend WebOS to evolve in the future. I hope the devlopment of this OS continues under HP and better hardware becomes a reality in the near future.

 

[npark]

I'd like to see what kind of phone operating system Apple could have made, without the resources of... let's say... Apple.

I'd like to see what kind of operating system Microsoft could have made, without the resources of... oh well... haha...

Case in point, Resources is not the only determining factor in the quality or feature set of the software product.

 

[VKitty]

Your post seems to reflect some bitterness and resentment about the success of Android vs. the uncertain future of WebOS. The current state of affairs that Palm (and WebOS) finds itself in today is not Google's (or MS or Apple's) fault, IS Palm's fault.

Nope not bitter at all, just wanted to say that small companies when they have the community behide them, have done things that big companies do with deep pockets..


Just giving recondition to where its due.


I guess I am also a little miffed at what BIG companies do to CLOSE there phones and block the community.


Imagine what the iPhone would be like if it had an open door community like homebrew? Without having to brake and Apple working with them.

 

[Darth Mo]

I have, they did add to it, but they did not do what I would consider develop it.. I am thinking more along the lines of WebOS or Apples OS.. Even Windows....Things like that.

You're off there though.

Xerox laid the foundation for for the GUI based OS in the early 70's, nearly a decade before Lisa (which would become Apple OS) or Windows. Willy Gates and the Steves were just brilliant enough to make it take over the world.

Again, very few technological advances belong to their original creators. It doesn't take just money to bring it to the forefront, but people that know how to find a use for it and market it.

Intel was almost bought out by the Mars corporation in the early 70's because Intel at the time couldn't find much use for the integrated circuit. But Mars saw potential because instead of rewiring their vending machines to change prices, they could quickly just reprogram an EEPROM. But, Intel held out and became the giant they are today.

Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile or any part of it really. He just figured out a way to make them reliable and cheap to produce and maintain.

I could go on with hundreds more examples but you get the point. If you take a look, most companies that are lauded for accomplishments did nothing more than refining someone else's ideas.

 

[AndroidOne]

Nope not bitter at all, just wanted to say that small companies when they have the community behide them, have done things that big companies do with deep pockets..


Just giving recondition to where its due.


I guess I am also a little miffed at what BIG companies do to CLOSE there phones and block the community.


Imagine what the iPhone would be like if it had an open door community like homebrew? Without having to brake and Apple working with them.

I understand your point regarding how difficult is for a small company to compete against the likes of Apple, Google or Microsoft, and how remarkable and worthy of recognition Palm's effort with WebOS is.

However, in your analysis you seem to absolve Palm from all responsibility on it's own demise as a company, falling from the tops of the market years back to the rock bottom today - that happened in no small part by their onw lack of vision, support and commitment to their product and customers.

Palm in my opinion fell asleep at the wheel, and allowed everyone else to take over. If you look at my signature you will see I was until recently a long-term Palm customer. I know first hand how Palm failed to provide innovation and customer support during all those years before WebOS.

 

[VKitty]

However, in your analysis you seem to absolve Palm from all responsibility on it's own demise as a company, falling from the tops of the market years back to the rock bottom today - that happened in no small part by their onw lack of vision, support and commitment to their product and customers.

Sorry if I came across that way, I dont absolve palm of any of their responsibility. It just that palm is the only company I know of that does not hinder their homebrew community.

I wish EVERY company did that


I dont think WebOS would be as big as it had gotten, had it not been for the homebrew community

 

[AndroidOne]

...It just that palm is the only company I know of that does not hinder their homebrew community.

That is the "new Palm", not the old.

I wish EVERY company did that


I dont think WebOS would be as big as it had gotten, had it not been for the homebrew community

This is certainly true. The homebrew community were quickly able to bring much needed functionality to the OS that Palm apparently was not able to.

I don't think that Palm actually embraced them as much as they tolerated them in order to keep the OS moving as they faced some serious financial issues.

 

[Darth Mo]

I don't think that Palm actually embraced them as much as they tolerated them in order to keep the OS moving as they faced some serious financial issues.

I agree. While it was great as a consumer, I believe Palm used the homebrew community as crutch more than empowering it.

 

[Menno]

Wow, that's alot of info.. Lol, but thanx!

I guess it pays to buy the right companies, as well as the right talent. I am just not a big fan of big companies, but I do give credit to google.. (they just might be getting a bit to big for me lol)

Palm was THE name in PDA/smartphones for years. They were the big company for a long time. Then they released a string of absolutely horrible devices and refused to innovate when new contenders (Microsoft, Blackberry, Apple) came along.

webOS was a hail mary from a struggling big corporation, not something pushed out by a tiny indie shop.