froyo or gingerbreead?

[linzoill]

Speaking of texas teams, how about them Cowboys? Any given sunday right?

Aww man lol yo Jerry where you from anyway? It's amazing how a rom sitting on your computer ended up on my phone and I always wonder how yall do it. The internet sharing ability is nuts!
Houston TX here

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[LeslieAnn]

FYI, I get less than 1%/hour drain on IHO CM7 Gingerbread, so it is possible, but you have to tweak things a bit.

That is pretty much impossible on the OV.
That would give you 4 days in standby.
It may be doable in aircraft mode, switching it on and off as needed, but that is a hassle.

Generally the OV needs 1.5-2% per hour to run the data system, be it 3g or wifi. This was confirmed by Marzz with a voltmeter. Newer/better roms sit in this zone, while the older ones tend to be closer to 2or3% per hour.

 

[kirurus]

Hi there all! I've used Harmonia in the past when CM7 was still in the works on the V (not saying that it isn't but it has taken huge leaps) and aospcmod wasn't up to snuff. A wonderful ROM Harmonia was. I couldn't have chosen a better one with Froyo. Been wanting to play with Froyo again but can't see a reason to go back. Gingerbread just seems to be better in performance, features, etc. Basically I'm posting to see what peoples opinions are between 2.2 and 2.3 and why people have chosen to stay with Froyo (Harmonia) and not move on to Gingerbread (IHO)

 

[Whyzor]

That is pretty much impossible on the OV.
That would give you 4 days in standby.
It may be doable in aircraft mode, switching it on and off as needed, but that is a hassle.

Generally the OV needs 1.5-2% per hour to run the data system, be it 3g or wifi. This was confirmed by Marzz with a voltmeter. Newer/better roms sit in this zone, while the older ones tend to be closer to 2or3% per hour.

only 4 days? how about 11 days?

[HOW-TO] extend battery life (up to 11+ days!) - xda-developers

My average is about 6-7 days per charge. Most of the time it has cell signal on only (no 3G, Wifi, BT, GPS). Also with the CM7 notification bar widget, turning on/off those require just 2 swipe actions, pretty easy..

 

[jdcnosse]

only 4 days? how about 11 days?

[HOW-TO] extend battery life (up to 11+ days!) - xda-developers

My average is about 6-7 days per charge. Most of the time it has cell signal on only (no 3G, Wifi, BT, GPS). Also with the CM7 notification bar widget, turning on/off those require just 2 swipe actions, pretty easy..

No offense, but if I have an android phone with wifi capabilities and 3G internet, I might as well use it. lol I mean why have a nice fancy phone if you only use it for talking/texting...

Of course this is totally an opinion based comment

With my 3000mAh battery and wifi always on, I can get about 2 1/2 days out of my phone with light/medium usage.

 

[Whyzor]

No offense, but if I have an android phone with wifi capabilities and 3G internet, I might as well use it. lol I mean why have a nice fancy phone if you only use it for talking/texting...

Of course this is totally an opinion based comment

With my 3000mAh battery and wifi always on, I can get about 2 1/2 days out of my phone with light/medium usage.

All the manual toggle does is make sure that when the phone isn't being used background apps don't use the data. A lot of apps & the OS still have bugs when it says it's not syncing but actually does. I still use the phone like normal when I need to, & get important messages through when I need it (Email, GV, & FB SMS notifications). The extra hassle is really just the manual toggle (2 swipes), some apps try to automate this like JuiceDefender, but may not work as well or as reliably as intended. Just like most people prefer automatic transmissions, others drive manuals to squeeze that last bit of extra performance.

 

[LeslieAnn]

All the manual toggle does is make sure that when the phone isn't being used background apps don't use the data. A lot of apps & the OS still have bugs when it says it's not syncing but actually does. I still use the phone like normal when I need to, & get important messages through when I need it (Email, GV, & FB SMS notifications). The extra hassle is really just the manual toggle (2 swipes), some apps try to automate this like JuiceDefender, but may not work as well or as reliably as intended. Just like most people prefer automatic transmissions, others drive manuals to squeeze that last bit of extra performance.

Just think how long it will last if you turn it off completely!

Some people can take a normal Honda Civic and get 120mpg using hyper-mileage tactics, that doesn't mean the car gets 120mpg.

You aren't stopping apps from using data, you are stopping the radio from running altogether. That equals dumb phone. If I was on vacation and forgot my charger I would consider it, but since I can usually get a day and a half, I see no point as i can charge nightly or even in my car. Especially since I usually carry spare batteries with me just in case.

For $10 you can get 2 cheap batteries (plus charger) on Ebay, keep a spare in your car, bag, or even wallet (they are small) and don't worry about it. Energizer even makes a compatible external battery designed for long term storage, charge it and it will stay charged for months.

 

[Whyzor]

Just think how long it will last if you turn it off completely!

Some people can take a normal Honda Civic and get 120mpg using hyper-mileage tactics, that doesn't mean the car gets 120mpg.

You aren't stopping apps from using data, you are stopping the radio from running altogether. That equals dumb phone. If I was on vacation and forgot my charger I would consider it, but since I can usually get a day and a half, I see no point as i can charge nightly or even in my car. Especially since I usually carry spare batteries with me just in case.

For $10 you can get 2 cheap batteries (plus charger) on Ebay, keep a spare in your car, bag, or even wallet (they are small) and don't worry about it. Energizer even makes a compatible external battery designed for long term storage, charge it and it will stay charged for months.

It's good to know that it's POSSIBLE to last that long, in an emergency for example. I'm not saying it's for everyone. And it proves that IHO CM7 CAN be just as efficient with the battery, if not better, and that the drains are from apps, not the ROM itself. Also it's not a dumb phone because with 2 swipes I can do what a little PC can do, all from my pocket. I think some of you are just surprised that Harmonia's "legendary" battery life may not be so special after all. (no offense).

 

[jdcnosse]

I wasn't surprised, I was just saying that your battery length depends on how you use your phone.

 

[watskyhotsky]

It's good to know that it's POSSIBLE to last that long, in an emergency for example. I'm not saying it's for everyone. And it proves that IHO CM7 CAN be just as efficient with the battery, if not better, and that the drains are from apps, not the ROM itself. Also it's not a dumb phone because with 2 swipes I can do what a little PC can do, all from my pocket. I think some of you are just surprised that Harmonia's "legendary" battery life may not be so special after all. (no offense).

"dumb phone" refers to the fact that the "smart" functions are useless without the data radio enabled. thats it. nothing more. dont get all in a huff over your little Optimus. we all love our phones. we get it. hahaha

dont bash leslieann. Shes done a lot for the V

and yes ive seen battery drain from the rom itself. certain processes of android itself and take battery life quicker and their not related to any app. when porting a rom to a phone its not meant for, your mixing drivers for the phones own hardware with the software for others, resulting in inneficient use of power for certain things. on my Triumph, motorola hasnt released the wifi stack source so the devs are working with other code that drains battery by just having the radio on. far more than usual. and with no app running.

thats an example of how a rom can be designed to have better battery life. its not "all app" that causes it

 

[LeslieAnn]

It's good to know that it's POSSIBLE to last that long, in an emergency for example. I'm not saying it's for everyone. And it proves that IHO CM7 CAN be just as efficient with the battery, if not better, and that the drains are from apps, not the ROM itself. Also it's not a dumb phone because with 2 swipes I can do what a little PC can do, all from my pocket. I think some of you are just surprised that Harmonia's "legendary" battery life may not be so special after all. (no offense).

What you are saying is almost humorous.
Think about this, if you do those same tricks with ANY smart phone, they all last longer, regardless of rom.

You are stacking the deck.
You can't use IHO with the radio off and and leave Harmonia's radio on and say "look how much better my battery life is". Use both roms the same way and Harmonia will come out (at least slightly) on top in almost every instance. Harmonia's battery life does tend to last longer than others, maybe not always by a lot, but it is better in most cases.

Legendary?
Look around other forums, Harmonia gets very little promotion or acknowledgement. Even here, the hype is always around new, flashier roms. Harmonia makes small waves on new releases amongst it's users (which is quite a few), but in terms of the OV, it's spoken about as if it was a mini van. When was the last time you heard anyone bragging about their new minivan.


Want a perfect example, http://forums.androidcentral.com/virgin-mobile-optimus-v/134102-rom.html
After 5 replies, still no mention of Harmonia. Funny, since it has the longer battery and the latest MMS file from Virgin itself.

 

[bigsupersquid]

snip...
Look around other forums, Harmonia gets very little promotion or acknowledgement. Even here, the hype is always around new, flashier roms. Harmonia makes small waves on new releases amongst it's users (which is quite a few), but in terms of the OV, it's spoken about as if it was a mini van. When was the last time you heard anyone bragging about their new minivan.
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I like to refer people over to AC for harmonia or harmonious bumblebee when they talk about issues with bumblebee (sorry, obijohn, but the lack of current feedback makes people see that rom as a 'dead' horse even though it was only abandoned after becoming stable.)
I figure most people are after the latest and greatest, and while harmonia kicks a** for what it is, it's still froyo... so most rom comments are about iho, as the surviving gingerbread branch.

I had no real problems with froyo except: it didn't play nice with a debian chroot without severe modifications, and froyo has the most horrible text-selection mechanism ever (next to the terminal emulator apps, that is.) I copy and paste a lot, so I'm kinda stuck with gingerbread just for that single feature.

I hardly see references to any froyo-based stuff other than harmonia and bumblebee, even though several other variants of the stock rom came and went. Harmonia is definitely the longest-surviving stock-based rom, and currently the least glitchy/best functioning of those (except maybe harmonious bumblebee, which I haven't tested myself) as far as I've seen, including factory stock.

 

[Whyzor]

What you are saying is almost humorous.
Think about this, if you do those same tricks with ANY smart phone, they all last longer, regardless of rom.

You are stacking the deck.
You can't use IHO with the radio off and and leave Harmonia's radio on and say "look how much better my battery life is". Use both roms the same way and Harmonia will come out (at least slightly) on top in almost every instance. Harmonia's battery life does tend to last longer than others, maybe not always by a lot, but it is better in most cases.

I didn't specifically say it, but my extreme 11 day example was just to make the point that IHO CM7 can be as thrifty with battery, and definitely idle at less than 1%/hr which you said was impossible. By the way, I have noticed even with 3G data on idle, I get about 1%/hr drain. Until someone does an exact same replicated usage comparison between the two, we won't know for sure. (I'm not going to waste time with that either). But it's evidence suggesting that IHO's battery is just as good as Harmonia's, if not better, which is one of the main reasons a lot of people stay with Harmonia.

The only reason I'm still replying to this is to defend my (& some people's) usage patterns that differs from yours. Your analogy is like saying someone who owns a sports car and doesn't always drive 100 mph doesn't really own a sports car (I'm perfectly happy with a cheap econobox in RL), but don't discredit others for wanting or driving other types of cars.

 

[kirurus]

I didn't specifically say it, but my extreme 11 day example was just to make the point that IHO CM7 can be as thrifty with battery, and definitely idle at less than 1%/hr which you said was impossible. By the way, I have noticed even with 3G data on idle, I get about 1%/hr drain. Until someone does an exact same replicated usage comparison between the two, we won't know for sure. (I'm not going to waste time with that either). But it's evidence suggesting that IHO's battery is just as good as Harmonia's, if not better, which is one of the main reasons a lot of people stay with Harmonia.

The only reason I'm still replying to this is to defend my (& some people's) usage patterns that differs from yours. Your analogy is like saying someone who owns a sports car and doesn't always drive 100 mph doesn't really own a sports car (I'm perfectly happy with a cheap econobox in RL), but don't discredit others for wanting or driving other types of cars.

Is it just me or does this discussion seem to be a bit trolly? 11 days? Turn off all the functions of an android to get that kind of life? Why get an android phone if your not going to use it for its functions? Recieve e-mails, browse the web, play games, listen to music, make and take calls, send and recieve texts, etc. I don't know about you but my V is the only phone I have and if I kept it in airplane mode all the time what happens if someone needs to call you in case of an emergency? Also from what I've read in the past in regards to underclocking the V is that it only leads to issues. Seems pretty pointless to me to try to squeeze that much life out of your battery unless your lost in the wilderness for days... Hands down you WILL get better battery life out of a Froyo ROM. But in my case I bought the 2800mah extended battery and get 3 days with average usage on IHO with one charge leaving all the wonderful features on. Can't ask for much more then that.

Harmonia is basically THE BEST Froyo ROM for the V still being actively developed. I know this from experience. Getting that kind of battery life on IHO by turning everything off and not using the thing is not a good comparison of how much battery life you can get out of the ROM.

To conclude, this seems to be a pretty pointless argument.

Sorry if anyone is offended by this post.

 

[Whyzor]

Is it just me or does this discussion seem to be a bit trolly? 11 days? Turn off all the functions of an android to get that kind of life? Why get an android phone if your not going to use it for its functions? Recieve e-mails, browse the web, play games, listen to music, make and take calls, send and recieve texts, etc. I don't know about you but my V is the only phone I have and if I kept it in airplane mode all the time what happens if someone needs to call you in case of an emergency? Also from what I've read in the past in regards to underclocking the V is that it only leads to issues. Seems pretty pointless to me to try to squeeze that much life out of your battery unless your lost in the wilderness for days... Hands down you WILL get better battery life out of a Froyo ROM. But in my case I bought the 2800mah extended battery and get 3 days with average usage on IHO with one charge leaving all the wonderful features on. Can't ask for much more then that.

Harmonia is basically THE BEST Froyo ROM for the V still being actively developed. I know this from experience. Getting that kind of battery life on IHO by turning everything off and not using the thing is not a good comparison of how much battery life you can get out of the ROM.

To conclude, this seems to be a pretty pointless argument.

Sorry if anyone is offended by this post.

Keep an open mind, read more carefully, I never said I don't use my phone for any of those functions you listed.

 

[kirurus]

Keep an open mind, read more carefully, I never said I don't use my phone for any of those functions you listed.

I'm not trying to be close minded here. You had only mentioned leaving the phone in Airplane Mode during sleep/work hours. That's 16 hours of my day. Plus this being my only phone I wouldn't see myself leaving it in Airplane Mode overnight (you never know what can happen). I don't know about yourself, and yes, other users may have different usage patterns with their phones then myself. But leaving the phone in Airplane mode basically makes majority of the functions I listed unusable without having a connection to the network.

I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire here. And its good to know that I can get 11 days out of my phone if I tried hard enough.

The real point I was trying to make was that this discussion has gotten just a little off topic of the original thread and turned more into a debate about battery life between Harmonia and IHO. There's no need for this especially when everyone uses their phones for for different things, at different times of the day.

Your methods to conserve battery life just seemed a little too extreme for my tastes, but I'm sure others have benefited from what you posted. But there's no need for a prolonged discussion about it.

 

[LeslieAnn]

I didn't specifically say it, but my extreme 11 day example was just to make the point that IHO CM7 can be as thrifty with battery, and definitely idle at less than 1%/hr which you said was impossible. By the way, I have noticed even with 3G data on idle, I get about 1%/hr drain. Until someone does an exact same replicated usage comparison between the two, we won't know for sure. (I'm not going to waste time with that either). But it's evidence suggesting that IHO's battery is just as good as Harmonia's, if not better, which is one of the main reasons a lot of people stay with Harmonia.

The only reason I'm still replying to this is to defend my (& some people's) usage patterns that differs from yours. Your analogy is like saying someone who owns a sports car and doesn't always drive 100 mph doesn't really own a sports car (I'm perfectly happy with a cheap econobox in RL), but don't discredit others for wanting or driving other types of cars.

What point?
You didn't prove it uses less than 1%. You have one of the largest battery users (a major component) in the phone disabled and are comparing that to a fully functioning phone. If you want to make a comparison, compare apples to apples, not apples to lizards.

Marzz did comparison tests and found the amount of battery draw was not rom related, it was app related and that the data system was a big part of battery drain. That being said, IHO has more processes involved in its operation, so while extremely close, chances are it will not beat Harmonia in stock vs stock, IDENTICAL use.

Harmonia is basically THE BEST Froyo ROM for the V still being actively developed.

It's the ONLY Froyo rom still actively being developed, so it kind of wins that by default, LOL.


As for the topic, I don't see a big difference between them and I doubt most do either.
Keep in mind, you guys are comparing CM GB vs stock Froyo. Eliminate the CM parts and you have no argument to begin with, but even with CM, there isn't much difference to the average user.

 

[anthonycr]

What is the actual difference between 2.2 and 2.3....? How can a hacked gb rom make our phones rum better than a hacked froyo rom, since they are both limited by our phones abilities?

 

[watskyhotsky]

What is the actual difference between 2.2 and 2.3....? How can a hacked gb rom make our phones rum better than a hacked froyo rom, since they are both limited by our phones abilities?

gingerbread is inherently a better Operating System. Google/Android team took froyo, updated a lot of major features of it and released it as 2.3 of course its going to be better/faster/shinier

they wouldnt make it WORSE.

of course,its up to people like us to take googles code, mix it with the correct software drivers for our individual phone, and get it running correctly. so the fact we have it at all is great. took a lot of work from some very talented people.


software is 50% of a device. you can have the best hardware but if its not paired with good software the device as a whole fails.

a PC with a fast quad core cpu and nice video card will run like crap if the windows installation is filled with viruses or apps slowing it down. if you install fresh windows it runs way better. clearly software was the issue.

another example would be videocard drivers.

if none of those make sense, then its like putting clean fresh oil and high quality gas into an engine. its going to run much better. (im a mechanic, i always relate things to engines...)

2.2 is old. 2.3 is already outdated. Android 4.0 is the big new thing. if we cant swim with the waves we'll get pulled under. Google wouldnt be releasing new versions of Android if the current version was "good enough" they are always improving it. 2.3 is going to run better and DO more on devices than 2.2. thats how google designed it and thats just how it is

 

[LeslieAnn]

gingerbread is inherently a better Operating System. Google/Android team took froyo, updated a lot of major features of it and released it as 2.3 of course its going to be better/faster/shinier

they wouldnt make it WORSE.

of course,its up to people like us to take googles code, mix it with the correct software drivers for our individual phone, and get it running correctly. so the fact we have it at all is great. took a lot of work from some very talented people.

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if none of those make sense, then its like putting clean fresh oil and high quality gas into an engine. its going to run much better. (im a mechanic, i always relate things to engines...)

2.2 is old. 2.3 is already outdated. Android 4.0 is the big new thing. if we cant swim with the waves we'll get pulled under. Google wouldnt be releasing new versions of Android if the current version was "good enough" they are always improving it. 2.3 is going to run better and DO more on devices than 2.2. thats how google designed it and thats just how it is

Code typically gets more bloated, not less.
Newer does not equal better, ask Windows Xp users who switched to Vista or those complaining about the new Ubuntu interface, which is supposedly faster and "better". Companies release new versions for various reasons, not all of them are good. I'm not saying ICS is junk, but it's also not what you make it seem.

2.2 is still the dominant OS, by a rather large margin. Phones are still shipping with it, in fact it is still the most shipped OS. You say 2.3 is also outdated, name a few phones with anything newer. I think there is one.


Fresh oil does not make an engine run better, if it does, you probably should have changed it a while ago.

Higher octane making a car run better is simply a fallacy, higher octane actually burns slower and when used in a car meant for low octane (which burns faster) is actually going to give you worse mileage. Your engine is tuned for a specific octane. In fact, putting race fuel (115 octane) in a car meant for 87 octane, can actually melt your catalytic converter.