Galaxy S4: Audio quality flawed

Re: S4 audio quality sucks

It's interesting seeing how many people think the audio quality sucks. I guess it's very subjective. In my case I am using a Vsonic GR01, a $200 pair of in ear monitors that use a two way dual balanced armature, and I think the S4 headphone jack sounds really good.

I didn't read through every post in this thread, but what are peoples complaints about the S4's sound? Too little bass? Not loud enough? Not exciting enough? To me my S4 along with my GR01's sound neutral, transparent and very detailed, just like they should. There is no bass missing or any treble missing. The whole audible range sounds flat like it should. The S4 drives my GR01's plenty loud at about 1/3 volume as well. There is no hissing or other noises that shouldn't be there, no distortion. It sounds as good or better than my old iPhone 4 with these same in ear headphones.

I don't consider myself an audiophile since I don't own tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear or listen to vinyl records, but I have been into audio all my life and I know good sound when I hear it. I do own a few mid-tier ($100-$300) headphones and I use a dedicated DAC and headphone amp that plugs into my laptop via USB when I'm home. One of my full sized headphones is a Fostex T50rp which only sells for about $100, but it has been heavily modified. It uses an orthodynamic driver (Google it if you want to learn) in a modified housing that I had tuned for countless hours over a period of about 3 months. I even went as far as to swap out the pads for a custom set of angled lamb leather pads which cost $75 themselves. These headphones don't sound all that great out of the box but after tuning them they are the absolute best sounding headphone I have ever heard. There is a whole community of people who buy these just to spend hours modifying them. Some people have even made a business out of selling modified versions of this headphone. It is a very versatile headphone, and can be tuned to sound anywhere from bass heavy to nearly reference flat. Mine are tuned to be nearly reference flat along with a very slight bass boost.

I'm just posting this to say that I know what I am talking about and when I say that the S4 actually does have good audio quality. If you think otherwise, then you can resort to EQ or you can buy a different headphone. If you are just switching to this phone and immediately think it sounds bad, you may want to really think about why. Maybe the last piece of audio equipment you had sounded better to you, but it doesn't mean the audio quality of this phone sucks. It may not be to your liking, but it does not have poor audio quality by any means. Maybe your last music player was boosting bass or made another area of the audio spectrum sound inaccurate. Maybe your last player had a more powerful amp section and got your headphones louder. In this case, you can get a more sensitive pair of headphones, or you can purchase a cheap headphone amplifier to boost volume, or simply listen quieter. Most people listen way louder than they really should anyway.

A little research goes a long way when choosing audio gear.
 
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Re: S4 audio quality sucks

Parts express has a headphone amp with a DAC that works with the S4. Made by Fiio. Excellent reviews and somehow bypasses the built in DAC using the USB jack.

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Quality over ear headphones + Wolfson DAC + FLAC = awesomeness.

Without a decent amplifier, and a good clean power system thrown into the mix... No it really isn't awesome.

I tried for 3 hours to mess with the Galaxy S4 and Iphone 5 using Equilizer and poweramp. The S4 refused to play nice with my Beyerdynamic 770 (80 ohms), Klipsch S4 in ear, Audio technica M50's, and a set of loaner AKG 701. The AKG 701's drivers quite frankly are a bit picky so I won't hold it against it, it's like a 50/50 gamble that it will work or won't work well with the smartphone.
However the other 3 mentioned are nothing high end, nor are they terribly difficult to drive if you got a decent amp.
 
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Without a decent amplifier, and a good clean power system thrown into the mix... No it really isn't awesome.

I tried for 3 hours to mess with the Galaxy S4 and Iphone 5 using Equilizer and poweramp. The S4 refused to play nice with my Beyerdynamic 770 (80 ohms), Klipsch S4 in ear, Audio technica M50's, and a set of loaner AKG 701. The AKG 701's drivers quite frankly are a bit picky so I won't hold it against it, it's like a 50/50 gamble that it will work or won't work well with the smartphone.
However the other 3 mentioned are nothing high end, nor are they terribly difficult to drive if you got a decent amp.

Both the Beyerdynamic 770 (80 ohm) and the AKG 701 (not sure if you mean K or Q, but it doesn't really matter) both really require more than a smartphone to power them. I own a Q701 and they really need at least a decent dedicated headphone amp to really shine. The AKG really doesn't have that high of an impedance, but they are also not very sensitive either and do require a bit of power to drive well. I use a Fiio E17 with my Q701 and my modded Fostex T50rp.

What was your issue with the M50 and the Klipsch S4 along with the Samsung Galaxy S4? Both of these should do just fine with this phone. Neither the M50 or the Klipsch S4's are my cup of tea, but this phone should power them just fine.
 
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Should have gotten the HTC One..Those who say that the S4 matches the One in overall sound quality has either hearing problems or just don't mind being outright dishonest. The Htc One is unmatched in sound quality and you will find just about every professional reviewer agree with me.
 
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Both the Beyerdynamic 770 (80 ohm) and the AKG 701 (not sure if you mean K or Q, but it doesn't really matter) both really require more than a smartphone to power them. I own a Q701 and they really need at least a decent dedicated headphone amp to really shine. The AKG really doesn't have that high of an impedance, but they are also not very sensitive either and do require a bit of power to drive well. I use a Fiio E17 with my Q701 and my modded Fostex T50rp.

What was your issue with the M50 and the Klipsch S4 along with the Samsung Galaxy S4? Both of these should do just fine with this phone. Neither the M50 or the Klipsch S4's are my cup of tea, but this phone should power them just fine.

it's the K not Q.
Kind of the point: Compared to the S4 the HTC One rolls over the Samsung in sound quality, and driving the Beyers headphones and playing the AKG's with no issues. The 80 Ohm Beyerdynamics can't be driven fully, but I am NOT looking to go deaf anytime soon also a good source and good pair of headphones can let you hear the details with minimal volume.

The 701K I borrowed are finicky, with very flat tone on 50% of consumer devices. (Mp3's, smartphones, laptops). The issue isn't the power, not sure what it is that's why I won't bash the S4 for not driving them.
The M50 exhibits screeching highs, and for a lack of a better term: flat mids. Bass was okay, bass is usually okay.
Overall sound quality was not good.

The Klipsch S4's exhibited weird exhausting highs particularly with Jazz music on the Samsung S4, and overall lacking in the mid/high clarity I usually hear on the Klipsch S4. The Samsung S4 reminded me of using a very subtle sound stage effect. It was present no matter how I tweaked unless I wanted it sounding like crap.

To be fair on the HTC the regular Beats player kind of failed trying to boost bass sounded very synthetic on the Klipsch, this type of sound profile would probably be more favorable for people. Using just power amp and overriding Beats really helped quite a bit letting them sound a little bit more natural and cool.
M50's were not as "bass" as normal. Didn't do much toying with this because quite frankly I had heard enough of the M50's.

I don't use my audio setup anymore for obvious driver blowing issues and sold off my good pair of headphones which I got the audio equipment for but:
Schiit Valhalla and Zero DAC (went through 2x of these, couldn't find anything better within my budget). Sound was taken from optical out from some cheap Asus Xonar card.

Gonna hold on to them in case I get back into audio gear.

Should have gotten the HTC One..Those who say that the S4 matches the One in overall sound quality has either hearing problems or just don't mind being outright dishonest. The Htc One is unmatched in sound quality and you will find just about every professional reviewer agree with me.

I don't think the proper way to phrase it is that every professional reviewer agrees with you. I think it's more accurate that you are parroting those professional reviewers.
Unmatched sound quality? No. Some non smartphone/older smartphones had stereo speakers with decent sound quality as well. Nokia, Samsung, Sony, and Motorola all made some.
 
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Those idiots who think the galaxy s4 i9500 is a good audio player just try to compare a song being played with decent headphones with other players like sansa clip or ipads or laptops and you can easily see the s4 sounds dull .Else you have hearing problems or you do not have a clue about sound or music.
I tested my i9500 with philips 9800 heaphones but was disappointed immediately. Was not really hard to find out it doesn't sound right.
 
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Well, I don't want to argue about it anymore, but I think it sounds fine, at least with my current in ears.

Anyway, if you want better sound, then you can get a Fiio E17 and a USB OTG cable. The GS4 supports digital audio out and the Fiio E17 works with it flawlessly and will power pretty much any headphone. It's not all that expensive compared to some other portable headphone amps and DAC's. It goes for about $120-140 online. It sounds great for the price, and also has some built in bass and treble settings you can play with as well.

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Re: S4 audio quality sucks

Are you tripping? I thought the extreme opposite when I plugged in the s4 headphones going from an iphone 4s.
 
Re: S4 audio quality sucks

it's the K not Q.
Kind of the point: Compared to the S4 the HTC One rolls over the Samsung in sound quality, and driving the Beyers headphones and playing the AKG's with no issues. The 80 Ohm Beyerdynamics can't be driven fully, but I am NOT looking to go deaf anytime soon also a good source and good pair of headphones can let you hear the details with minimal volume.

The 701K I borrowed are finicky, with very flat tone on 50% of consumer devices. (Mp3's, smartphones, laptops). The issue isn't the power, not sure what it is that's why I won't bash the S4 for not driving them.
The M50 exhibits screeching highs, and for a lack of a better term: flat mids. Bass was okay, bass is usually okay.
Overall sound quality was not good.

The Klipsch S4's exhibited weird exhausting highs particularly with Jazz music on the Samsung S4, and overall lacking in the mid/high clarity I usually hear on the Klipsch S4. The Samsung S4 reminded me of using a very subtle sound stage effect. It was present no matter how I tweaked unless I wanted it sounding like crap.

To be fair on the HTC the regular Beats player kind of failed trying to boost bass sounded very synthetic on the Klipsch, this type of sound profile would probably be more favorable for people. Using just power amp and overriding Beats really helped quite a bit letting them sound a little bit more natural and cool.
M50's were not as "bass" as normal. Didn't do much toying with this because quite frankly I had heard enough of the M50's.

I don't use my audio setup anymore for obvious driver blowing issues and sold off my good pair of headphones which I got the audio equipment for but:
Schiit Valhalla and Zero DAC (went through 2x of these, couldn't find anything better within my budget). Sound was taken from optical out from some cheap Asus Xonar card.

Gonna hold on to them in case I get back into audio gear.



I don't think the proper way to phrase it is that every professional reviewer agrees with you. I think it's more accurate that you are parroting those professional reviewers.
Unmatched sound quality? No. Some non smartphone/older smartphones had stereo speakers with decent sound quality as well. Nokia, Samsung, Sony, and Motorola all made some.

I am a slightly picky ba$stard for sound quality and find the iPod 5 to be the best sounding device I have tested and the S3 being good in comparison, but not as good (not enough gain to correlate with volume being a key). Are you saying the S4 is that big a step back? I do not hear the issues mentioned on the S3 Qualcomm and find subtle things like cymbal decay to be fine on the S3.

Beats Audio though is simply eq settings and not a hardware function. Marketing gimmick, it be. Raise the anchor matey, placebo full speed ahead! ;)
 
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I am a slightly picky ba$stard for sound quality and find the iPod 5 to be the best sounding device I have tested
Have you tried any 'audiophile' players such as Cowon, etc or just consumer stuff (iPods, Phones, Sansa's, etc)?

the S3 being good in comparison, but not as good (not enough gain to correlate with volume being a key). Are you saying the S4 is that big a step back? I do not hear the issues mentioned on the S3 Qualcomm and find subtle things like cymbal decay to be fine on the S3.
I was surprised to read about the USB OTG to Fiio, I'd imagine the sound quality of that is probably pretty amazing, but headphone jack audio, I dunno. The last Samsung phone that truly had great audio was the Nexus S...Wolfson DAC.

Beats Audio though is simply eq settings and not a hardware function. Marketing gimmick, it be. Raise the anchor matey, placebo full speed ahead! ;)
This has to be one of the funniest things I have read on the forums...probably ever.


Some people think 128kbps MP3's are great, or rip music off YouTube (shutter)...ugh.

My RAZR MAXX HD had pretty awful audio, there was an audible hiss when anything was playing out of the headphone jack...yuk.
 
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It seems to me that the OP -- and anyone else praising apple -- is still being an iSheep and should just go back to the iPhone!
 
Re: S4 audio quality sucks

Try the Equalizer app on the play store
Set custom eq to:
7
6
1
6
7
Bass boost 25%

Then get a pair of Woodies in ear headphones off Amazon for $35.

Finally pair the two with the Google play music app and you are good to go.

Sorry I don't have links, but can't post any from where I am right now. PM me if you need more.

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I downloaded that equalizer and even though I'm not using the settings you suggested I think it makes a difference. I'm actually just using the "normal" preset but somehow I think that made the sound better. Is that even possible? Maybe its just wishful thinking on my part because I would think the "normal" preset would sound the same as stock. Anyway, I was bummed about how my GS4 didn't sound as good as my iPhone 5 and now with the new equalizer I feel like its comparable. Thanks for the tip! I'm using Bose MIE2i headphones, btw.
 
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It's either the headphone jack or the sound drivers in TouchWiz. AOSP-based custom ROMs generally have more balanced sound due to DSPManager and other sound drivers.
 
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Does anyone know if the Fiio works with the Note 2? The Note is closer to the S4 than the S3 I think. FiiO E17 is $139 at Parts Express.

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Does anyone else notice that when the phone is using 4g LTE for data, that the phone crackles with headphones in there?
 
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I have been testing my stock S4 32gb with my Klipsch S4 buds. I am not hearing the issues some are reporting. I use Poweramp to increase gain, since appears Samsung are forcing us all to adhere to the European audio loudness restrictions. This silly restriction assumes everybody uses low impedance buds and nobody outputs to external devices that require more output.
 
Re: S4 audio quality sucks

I didn't read through every post in this thread, but what are peoples complaints about the S4's sound? Too little bass? Not loud enough? Not exciting enough? To me my S4 along with my GR01's sound neutral, transparent and very detailed, just like they should. There is no bass missing or any treble missing. The whole audible range sounds flat like it should. The S4 drives my GR01's plenty loud at about 1/3 volume as well. There is no hissing or other noises that shouldn't be there, no distortion. It sounds as good or better than my old iPhone 4 with these same in ear headphones.

You didn't say which version of the S4 you have. The octa core (I9500) uses the highly acclaimed Wolfson audio chip. The quad core (I9505) uses the inferior Qualcomm DAC embedded in the Snapdragon chipset.
 
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I am a slightly picky ba$stard for sound quality and find the iPod 5 to be the best sounding device I have tested and the S3 being good in comparison, but not as good (not enough gain to correlate with volume being a key). Are you saying the S4 is that big a step back? I do not hear the issues mentioned on the S3 Qualcomm and find subtle things like cymbal decay to be fine on the S3.

The S3 uses the Wolfson WM1811 chip except for the U.S. version which uses the Qualcomm chip. Is your S3 from U.S.?
 
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