Galaxy S4 Running Tizen OS Instead of Android?!?

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Then tell them it is not an android phone. Why try to fake them out when you can tell them the truth.

Tell them it is a new os from samsung that can run android apps. No surprises or lies.

As for an app store, most people don't care as long as they can download a game or radio app from somewhere. As someone said earlier, it is o ly yhe hardcore android fans that will be crying foul about the lack of play and google apps. I have had android devices for years now and have only really used maps and gmail on a regular basis, so the argument about the apps is moot for myself as well as probably many others.

If you were to take the itunes store and switch it to something else, would a large majority of iphone users notice as long as they could still download apps from somewhere. I see this as possible on tizen as well.

As long as a lot of hardcore android fanboys don't try to bad press it into the ground with all of their "it doesn't do this or that or as fast as android does" comments.

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So you don't think people would be bothered if Samsung announced the S4 would not have Gmail or Google Maps? OK...

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Odp: Galaxy S4 Running Tizen OS Instead of Android?!?

Right. I know. What I'm saying, and which you seem to not understand, is that people will see the absence of Google Play, as well as the rest of the Google Apps, which means people won't be so easily tricked into thinking a Tizen phone is an Android phone.

Kindle dont have that problem thru its lacking google play
 

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Re: Odp: Galaxy S4 Running Tizen OS Instead of Android?!?

The general public doesn't generally look at Kindles as Android devices. They look at them as Amazon devices or, more simply, Kindles.
 

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Re: Odp: Galaxy S4 Running Tizen OS Instead of Android?!?

The kindle was also dirt cheap, and had a comparable store to go with it. In the end, for tizen to take off, it will need a comparable ecosystem tto iOS and Apple. Not just in apps but in everything. They could piggyback off of google and use their services but they might as well keep Android if they do that.
 

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Re: Odp: Galaxy S4 Running Tizen OS Instead of Android?!?

Honestly BlackBerry is going to be the test subject for doing this kind of thing. Sales have been pretty good for them so far.

If Samsung had some good core apps written for Tizen and Android compatibility it might not be such a bad thing. So far most people on this thread don't like the idea because it's blasphemous. But I don't see the problem if it's done right.

It actually looks a lot like Android and Tizen's browser ranks the highest on HTML5 standards tests.
 

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Re: Odp: Galaxy S4 Running Tizen OS Instead of Android?!?

I'm gonna go with the people who've said this won't happen.

BlackBerry's new OS has Android emulation and it's terrible according to the Verge's review. People will notice this stuff. And if it has to use a whole separate app market, it will lack the choice of an Android phone too. People may not care too much about OS but they do care about apps. Apps are what make or break a smartphone, and if they release their top end smartphone with no developer support it'll be dead in the water no matter how good the hardware or OS is.

I'm of the opinion that the Samsung will introduce Tizen on a separate line of devices either this year or next year, and Tizen is simply a way of Samsung hedging their bets like someone else said on the first page. After all, they are investing a lot of money into growing their smartphone business and they want to make sure it keeps thriving.
 

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Samsung's Galaxy S4 will have Tizen, not Android, because Google is reserving Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie for its own X-Phone, which will come out around the same time as Samsung's Galaxy S4 which would otherwise be stuck with Jelly Bean. It doesn't take a genius to see that Google wants its X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie to steal the new Galaxy S4's thunder and basically replace it in the market as the #1 Android hardware device. Google is jealous of Samsung because Samsung's stock has risen 9-fold in the past 5 years thanks to Android, while Google's has largely flatlined over the same period, and Samsung's current market cap with a P/E ratio still as low as Apple's is almost as big as Google's now at over $200 billion and is on path to exceed Google's sometime this year (Android hardware is much more profitable than Android software). With Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie as its main selling point, it won't be hard for the X-Phone to steal the Galaxy S4's thunder, especially for Android enthusiasts. No longer the clear junior partner, Samsung sees what Google is up to and so will put Tizen on the Galaxy S4 ASAP because, if it doesn't, things will only get worse for Samsung as the X-Phone gets stronger and stronger, always having the latest Android update ahead of Samsung. Samsung has to look out for its longterm future. Samsung will put Tizen on the Galaxy S4, its premier device, because piggybacking on the Galaxy line's success will be the quickest and most effective way to get Tizen into the market on a mass scale before Android gets even more prevalent and Samsung misses its once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to introduce Tizen to the market and control both its own hardware and software and no longer be dependent on Google for software. Most business partnerships eventually fall apart anyway. Tizen's main selling point will be it'll run all Android apps seamlessly and flawlessly with its Application Compatibility Layer (ACL).
 
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Bull.
Galaxy is samsungs Android identifier. Yes they will release a tizen phone, and it may even have the same specs and design keys of the s4 but it won't carry the galaxy name any more than the Windows 8 phones from Samsung will.
 

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Samsung's Galaxy S4 will have Tizen, not Android, because Google is reserving Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie for its own X-Phone, which will come out around the same time as Samsung's Galaxy S4 which would otherwise be stuck with Jelly Bean. It doesn't take a genius to see that Google wants its X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie to steal the new Galaxy S4's thunder and basically replace it in the market as the #1 Android hardware device. Google is jealous of Samsung because Samsung's stock has risen 9-fold in the past 5 years thanks to Android, while Google's has largely flatlined over the same period, and Samsung's current market cap with a P/E ratio still as low as Apple's is almost as big as Google's now at over $200 billion and is on path to exceed Google's sometime this year (Android hardware is much more profitable than Android software). With Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie as its main selling point, it won't be hard for the X-Phone to steal the Galaxy S4's thunder, especially for Android enthusiasts. No longer the clear junior partner, Samsung sees what Google is up to and so will put Tizen on the Galaxy S4 ASAP because, if it doesn't, things will only get worse for Samsung as the X-Phone gets stronger and stronger, always having the latest Android update ahead of Samsung. Samsung has to look out for its longterm future. Samsung will put Tizen on the Galaxy S4, its premier device, because piggybacking on the Galaxy line's success will be the quickest and most effective way to get Tizen into the market on a mass scale before Android gets even more prevalent and Samsung misses its once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to introduce Tizen to the market and control both its own hardware and software and no longer be dependent on Google for software. Most business partnerships eventually fall apart anyway. Tizen's main selling point will be it'll run all Android apps seamlessly and flawlessly with its Application Compatibility Layer (ACL).

You clearly have no idea how google makes money on android...

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Google doesn't make any money on Android. Samsung does. Google's spent $20-30 billion on Android so far but taken in only $500 advertising revenue from it, according to the Samsung-Apple trial. Even today, Google makes 4 times as much on mobile ads from iOS than from Android. This is because, as was recently reported, iOS users make on average $100,000 a year vs. $30,000 or less for Android users. Keep in mind the most popular Android device in the U.S. is the $50 Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile, not the Galaxy S3 or Note II. The Prevail runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread and is bought mostly by people on welfare. In fact, Android 2.3 Gingerbread is still the most common version of Android in use today, with a 50% share vs. only 10% for Jelly Bean. When most Android users are on welfare making $30,000 or less, it's no wonder Google still makes far more money from iOS users than from its own Android users, despite Android's 75% dominant market share. This also explains Google's decision to make the X-Phone, an ultra-premium device with margins probably higher than the iPhone, because Google's sick and tired of trying to sell mobile ads to welfare recipients who never click on any ads in general or engage in any e-commerce at all. Google wants to start making a profit on Android, thus the X-Phone, which will make huge profits on both hardware and from richer Android customers who are willing to click on some of Google's mobile ads. Samsung's not happy about this because, in essence, Google wants to steal the Galaxy S4's target market with the X-Phone. Most Android enthusiasts will go for the X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie than the Galaxy S4 that's stuck with Jelly Bean. Samsung doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Google anymore and get old versions of Android, thus Tizen. Samsung's not a stupid company. It knows what Google is doing. Samsung has to look out for its long-term future and develop its own sticky ecosystem. Short-term pain on the transition to Tizen will pay off in the long-term and ensure Samsung's still in the smartphone business 5-10 years from now.
 
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Google doesn't make any money on Android. Samsung does. Google's spent $20-30 billion on Android so far but taken in only $500 advertising revenue from it, according to the Samsung-Apple trial. Even today, Google makes 4 times as much on mobile ads from iOS than from Android. This is because, as was recently reported, iOS users make on average $100,000 a year vs. $30,000 or less for Android users. Keep in mind the most popular Android device in the U.S. is the $50 Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile, not the Galaxy S3 or Note II. The Prevail runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread and is bought mostly by people on welfare. In fact, Android 2.3 Gingerbread is still the most common version of Android in use today, with a 50% share vs. only 10% for Jelly Bean. When most Android users are on welfare making $30,000 or less, it's no wonder Google still makes far more money from iOS users than from its own Android users, despite Android's 75% dominant market share. This also explains Google's decision to make the X-Phone, an ultra-premium device with margins probably higher than the iPhone, because Google's sick and tired of trying to sell mobile ads to welfare recipients who never click on any ads in general or engage in any e-commerce at all. Google wants to start making a profit on Android, thus the X-Phone, which will make huge profits on both hardware and from richer Android customers who are willing to click on some of Google's mobile ads. Samsung's not happy about this because, in essence, Google wants to steal the Galaxy S4's target market with the X-Phone. Most Android enthusiasts will go for the X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie than the Galaxy S4 that's stuck with Jelly Bean. Samsung doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Google anymore and get old versions of Android, thus Tizen. Samsung's not a stupid company. It knows what Google is doing. Samsung has to look out for its long-term future and develop its own sticky ecosystem. Short-term pain on the transition to Tizen will pay off in the long-term and ensure Samsung's still in the smartphone business 5-10 years from now.

1. You just pull those money numbers out of your rear.

2. You have no idea Google's or Samsung's intentions.

3. Google has never and until something changes will never be in the hardware business.

4. Google makes money off of adds and services regardless of who makes or uses the phones.

5. We know NOTHING about the x phone or s4. Everything stated at this point is completely rumors made up by fans with pipe dreams.

6. With the exception of maybe the Nexus 7,Google has never threatened any manufacturer with sales. All the Nexus devices are development oriented and never been top sellers.

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Google doesn't make any money on Android. Samsung does. Google's spent $20-30 billion on Android so far but taken in only $500 advertising revenue from it, according to the Samsung-Apple trial. Even today, Google makes 4 times as much on mobile ads from iOS than from Android. This is because, as was recently reported, iOS users make on average $100,000 a year vs. $30,000 or less for Android users. Keep in mind the most popular Android device in the U.S. is the $50 Samsung Galaxy Prevail from Boost Mobile, not the Galaxy S3 or Note II. The Prevail runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread and is bought mostly by people on welfare. In fact, Android 2.3 Gingerbread is still the most common version of Android in use today, with a 50% share vs. only 10% for Jelly Bean. When most Android users are on welfare making $30,000 or less, it's no wonder Google still makes far more money from iOS users than from its own Android users, despite Android's 75% dominant market share. This also explains Google's decision to make the X-Phone, an ultra-premium device with margins probably higher than the iPhone, because Google's sick and tired of trying to sell mobile ads to welfare recipients who never click on any ads in general or engage in any e-commerce at all. Google wants to start making a profit on Android, thus the X-Phone, which will make huge profits on both hardware and from richer Android customers who are willing to click on some of Google's mobile ads. Samsung's not happy about this because, in essence, Google wants to steal the Galaxy S4's target market with the X-Phone. Most Android enthusiasts will go for the X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie than the Galaxy S4 that's stuck with Jelly Bean. Samsung doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Google anymore and get old versions of Android, thus Tizen. Samsung's not a stupid company. It knows what Google is doing. Samsung has to look out for its long-term future and develop its own sticky ecosystem. Short-term pain on the transition to Tizen will pay off in the long-term and ensure Samsung's still in the smartphone business 5-10 years from now.

I give you a B for effort and an F for your research. You honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

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iOS users make on average $100,000 a year vs. $30,000 or less for Android users.

That is grossly inaccurate and misleading
Firstly, those are average household incomes not "user" incomes.
Secondly the exact numbers are $105,200 for iOS versus $89,300 for Android
The last time I checked that amounts to $15,900 per household or almost half your number.

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Most Android enthusiasts will go for the X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie than the Galaxy S4 that's stuck with Jelly Bean.

Android enthusiasts (as described by you) will only make up a fraction of total users which is not worth mentioning. Far as the Galaxy S4 being "Stuck with Jelly Bean" I would have to say if it doesn't launch with KLP because the OS is not ready, the S4 will have it within weeks after KLP is launched.

Samsung doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Google anymore and get old versions of Android, thus Tizen. Samsung's not a stupid company. It knows what Google is doing.

When people read this, they think someone like you doesn't understand how this works. It's not Google that delays newer versions of Android, it's the carriers. I suggest you do some reading on this.

You have to keep in mind Samsung and Google work with each other and currently are enjoying a mutually beneficial relationship. That being said both companies are being careful by hedging their bets. Google by acquiring Motorola and Samsung by investing in Tizen. While it's easy to say that those actions mean the two companies are breaking up, it's actually about being prudent.
 

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Just 4 months ago, Samsung put Tizen on not some entry-level Samsung device but the Galaxy S3: Samsung Galaxy S3 used to test Tizen | Ubergizmo

Business partnerships fail all the time. It's utterly, utterly naive to think that Samsung and Google's marriage will last forever. After 5 years, they both want to go their own ways and move to the next stage: software for Samsung and hardware for Google. It's not fun for Android fans to see their parents divorcing, but that's what's happening. "Hedging their bets" is wishful thinking. Larry Page told the X-Phone team, according to the WSJ: "Aspire to the scale of Samsung." This is not hedging. As for Samsung, everyone who knows the company knows their major weakness has always been software. Samsung's a gigantic company now and will have a market cap bigger than Google's by the end of the year. It wants its own ecosystem. It's not going to simply depend on Google in perpetuity, as you ignorantly imagine. If you believe this, you're truly like a child of divorcing parents who can't understand for the life of him why his parents are divorcing. The divorce is shocking, but true. Look to the future, not the past. With Tizen, Samsung doesn't have to wait for the carriers or updates from Google anymore. It'll do all that just like Apple. It's much better for Samsung. As for Google, they see the future too. It's hardware + software, not just software alone. It needs to control all the Android hardware and get the huge margins that Apple gets. Thus the X-Phone with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie. Google and Samsung are divorcing because they're very greedy and want to emulate Apple's control of both hardware and software for the huge margins.
 
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SeekingAlpha.com had an article recently saying iOS users made $100K on average while Android users made less than $30,000. Google's own Play Store stats indicate Android 2.3 Gingerbread makes of 50% of Android devices in use and as everyone knows Gingerbread's only on budget phones for welfare recipients, so why get so uptight?
 

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SeekingAlpha.com had an article recently saying iOS users made $100K on average while Android users made less than $30,000. Google's own Play Store stats indicate Android 2.3 Gingerbread makes of 50% of Android devices in use and as everyone knows Gingerbread's only on budget phones for welfare recipients, so why get so uptight?

Those stats were crap.

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