Have a Pre considering switching

I have had a Pre for a few days, and save for the battery needing to be recharged 3 times a day, I like it way better than my BlackBerry. I do have a question regarding wifi. My Pre seems to have a problem with my Wifi. I had to change the configuration of the WiFi to get it to allow the Pre to connect. All my other phones just needed the password and they linked right up. The connection seems to be slow or always searching for signal. The other devices in the house don't have this. How is the Hero's wifi. Also how does it do with Sprint TV? I saw a video where the Hero had problems with Sprint TV. My Pre won't pull up Sprint TV thru wifi. It must have a EVO signal for it to work. Is the Hero like that? End of hijack, sorry.
 
Hey there Dgrobe....I just got my Hero the other day after spending the last 5+ months with my Pre. The only reason I came over to the Hero, was I was very interested in the Android OS, and I only had to pay $1 for the phone thanks to an Account Exec at Sprint that posted on the Precentral forums. That being said, all I can truly say is WOW WOW WOW WOW! Everything about this phone (to me) EXCEPT for the web browser is incredible. The web browsing of the Pre is much better....

Customization and apps beat the living daylights out of the Pre, and the build of the Hero is superior to the Pre in every way.

My Pre sits awaiting me in my dresser drawer. I decided not to get rid of it, because I think the WebOS platform if handled correctly (probably WON'T be) could be the OS of choice going forward.

For now however, and with Android 2.0 about to go live on the Hero, the HERO is the OS of the NOW!!!!

Feel free to shoot me any questions you have!

Cheers,

Robert

Hey can you give more info on that sprint exec posting in precentral that helped you get a hero?

thanks
 
Hey there Dgrobe....I just got my Hero the other day after spending the last 5+ months with my Pre. The only reason I came over to the Hero, was I was very interested in the Android OS, and I only had to pay $1 for the phone thanks to an Account Exec at Sprint that posted on the Precentral forums.

I have a Pre and want to get a Hero! Where/how did you get yours for $1?? :confused: Hook it up!! :D
 
Ok im going to give a unbiased review seeing as how I have both.... I guess im just going to review android and pre to address multiple things since u may be going between a hero and the moment.

#1The biggist thing about android is that it is a more stable platform as of now. If you are impatient and unable to wait for updates the pre is not for u. Seeing as how its a brand new platform. This frustrates me because I have some bugs here and there that really irritate me..

#2 The use of widgets and shortcuts. This is nice because on the pre for example u have to slide open the keyboard and either type a person's name out or leave a card open

#3 Android market- THis speaks for itself way more apps and apps are visually appealing. The apps for the pre are not good period.. About 5 quality apps... lol

#4 Form factors and options. Android in general comes with so many form factors. qwerty keyboards no keyboards, huge screen on some phones etc.

#5 Palm does not have the luxury of google's bank account so things are gonna roll out alot slower. Also they dont have multiple hardware partners so things like build quality etc seem to be an issue at this point...

Now here are some things I think the pre has over android.

#1 The browser is great on the pre so if you do alot of web browsing it is something to think about.. The browsing experience is not as good on android.

#2 Web os seems more polished and visually appealing then android. Although I like android as well palms OS is really simple and easy to use yet visually appealing.

#3 Multitasking is better on the pre. Cards is unmatched at this point but one of the bugs i was speaking of earlier shows its ugly face here sometimes. "Too may cards error".

#4 seamless integration of notifications, social networking, and cloud-based services. I love the way the notifications are on the pre. They are put in your face to view and if you dont like them just swipe them away.

#5 ability to sync all email accnts. I ran into a problem with setting up my yahoo account on android.

Now if you are looking into the moment and hero Id take the hero. Here are my 2 big reasons.

#1 Sense UI- This was big for me because the people widget is really nice and a great shortcut to have. As well Htc just makes good phones and are more likely to keep up with updates etc.

#2 Facebook integration etc which I guess relates to #1 lol but that was big for me also

#3 pinch to zoom is great and also the layout of the moment keyboard is just weird... I have no idea why its laid out like that..
 
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I just sold my Pre last night and bought a Hero. I couldn't be happier. While the virtual keyboard takes a lil getting used to, overall its a great device, the UI and apps make it a better than the Pre IMO. The other thing is that I don't have to experience random restarting and lag and don't have to wait for Palm anymore.
 
Unfortunately it doesn't apply for upgrades, only if you're adding a line or signing up with Sprint.

Sorry

Meant to say that....sorry.....


I added a line for my son, threw my OOOOOOLLLLLLDDDD LG Musiq on that account before the Hero even got to my house, and then when the phone arrived, I activated it on my line, therby sending my Pre to La-La Land for now.

I agree with all the points here, especially the one about the web browsing experience. If you use the Hero for web browsing after coming from the Pre, it is a VERY DIFFERENT (read SLOWER) experience.

Pre vs Hero in almost every other aspect is lacking....
 
I just switched from the Pre which I have used for ~5 months and have a few comments.

Before I get into the differences and the review - a little note about switching.

I called Sprint and told them I didn't like my Pre and wanted to switch to a hero, asking for the quickest and most painless way that this could be accomplished. I was told my only option was to pay the full non-subsidized price for the phone. I found this option unsuitable because I could cancel my contract and re-sign up buying the phone subsidized for a total cost of $260 ($180 etf + $80 best buy promotional price). I asked if I could just give them $260 and skip the canceling and resigning. The guy (from "executive" customer service) instead wanted to argue with me about how great the Pre was and how it was my own fault if I didn't like it. He did not want to move past that and help me buy a new phone.

At one point I mentioned the regulatory fee change that is happening in January and that it would allow me to get out of my contract without an ETF - but I was offering to straight up just give them $260 for the phone anyway. Our conversation went something like this:

CSR: A $.40 charge is not materially adverse. It would need to be a materially adverse charge for you to be able to get out of your contract.
Me: So what if I decide not to pay it?
CSR: Then we would send you to collections.
Me: So you can treat $.40 as materially adverse to you, but I can't treat it as materially adverse to me?
CSR ...

Keep in mind, this is someone who called me after emailing the VP of customer relations, not just a run of the mill CSR. Perhaps my request was unreasonable (although certainly not illogical), but I was surprised with how defensive and unwilling to help Sprint was. I decided that Sprint is much like a $2 hooker. They really suck, but they're so cheap you use them anyway.​

I ended up buying the phone used for $200 off of craigslist. I'd love to hear how everyone else accomplished the upgrade. Someone else mentioned they got the phone for free off of an offer on another forum.

Anyway on to my thoughts about the phones:

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Things I really miss from the Pre:

Synergy: The hero has limited abilities to pull in Facebook photos/info for all my contacts, but it's not nearly as good as Web OS's synergy. I got used to always seeing someone's Facebook contact photo when they called, and it's not quite as good on the Hero.

Universal Search: Web OS made it very easy to make a call. Open the keyboard and start typing a name. You could quickly send an sms or place a call from the results. I still haven't figured out the quickest way to initiate a new text on the Hero. Holding down menu will bring up a keyboard on the home screen, and supposedly 2.1 will include a universal search function.

Keyboard: A hardware keyboard in portrait is as good as it gets, and I'll stand by that. I don't like the horizontal sliders, but I do miss the Pre's keyboard (even though it itself was not perfect). The screen keyboard on the Hero is an annoyance and I have yet to get used to it. It becomes very frustrating especially if the system is slow, bogged down, or otherwise unresponsive.

Card view: Oh sweet card view how I miss you. Multi-tasking on the Pre is second to none. Android has no clear way to tell what is running or allow you to quit things without installing third party software which, is itself, a bit klunky. The card metaphor had me spoiled.

Multitouch: Multitouch on the hero is non-existent in the stock rom and third party roms implement it in buggy and inconsistent ways. However, having to use buttons to zoom in google maps is still better than google maps not working at all, as was often the case on the Pre.

Camera flash: I take a lot of low light pictures, so this was a nice feature.

Things that are better on the hero:

Photos App: I can show people a picture I just took of them without waiting several minutes. Awesome.

Agenda widgets: A calendar is useless to me if the information stored in it is not made apparent to me. No matter how hard I try to constantly check a calendar, I will slip into not doing it after a while. As with Windows Mobile, Android allows you to download any number of agenda widgets that will show upcoming appointments right on the home screen - which I DO look at multiple times a day.

Guitar Tuner: Not a huge deal, but a guitar tuner app is something really awesome to have, and when people see you have one on your phone they are amazed. It's one of those "look what I can do!" apps. I downloaded gStrings and am very happy with it. I'm not sure it's even possible for something like this to exist on the Pre yet.

Augmented Reality: Also more of a "look what I can do" sort of thing. Augmented reality is a bit of a gimmick now, but in the coming months I think it will be used for more and more awesome things. You'll need to wait for Pre 2.0 (probably) to get this from Palm.

Speed: You do have to pay a little bit of attention to close things when the system bogs down, but normally it runs very quickly. For example, you can open the music application and scroll through all your music without waiting for 10 minutes while all the album art loads and then try to scroll through a choppy, unresponsive list as on the Pre. This is true of all applications, not just music.

Tethering: Web OS 1.2 broke the ability to tether over Wifi. The hero can do it without breaking a sweat, has a much nicer interface, and it more reliable overall with better features. This one is important to me.

Build: I didn't mind the Pre's build quality too much, but it did break on me (which was the straw that broke the camels back and made me want to get the hero). The Hero is very solid, but I am wary of the infamous loose battery door that some HTC's seem to have a problem with.

Micro SD: Expandable memory is not a bad thing.

Apps: I hate the idea of the carrier or the manufacturer dictating what apps I can install. Android's market is very agnostic when it comes to most apps, and you can install apps from any source after changing a system preference. Open development is critical to me, and I think it will be the thing that finally "kills" the iPhone (not that it will ever actually die anytime soon).

Custom Front Page: With widgets I can see the information I want where I want it. Awesome.

Overall impressions:

I love the Pre and Web OS, but the overall slowness, lack of significant updates, and unimpressive apps made it boring pretty quickly. I still think it's a great phone and would recommend it to someone who wants a "smart" phone but doesn't care about obsessing over it, downloading new apps, customizing it, etc. Basically, it's a great smartphone for most girls who want a smartphone.

Android feels a bit like returning to Windows Mobile, but vastly improved. It's still clunky in places, it still suffers from bizarre memory management and odd multi-tasking, but overall it's very stable and it can do a lot of stuff - much more than the Pre and much more than the iPhone.

For me, the switch was a definite win. I really love a lot about Web OS, but I think it needs another year or two of serious improvement and developer support to be a truly great platform. If Palm can survive that long then I would not be surprised to see them gain some healthy marketshare. Until then, Android is the way to go.
 
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Meant to say that....sorry.....


I added a line for my son, threw my OOOOOOLLLLLLDDDD LG Musiq on that account before the Hero even got to my house, and then when the phone arrived, I activated it on my line, therby sending my Pre to La-La Land for now.

I agree with all the points here, especially the one about the web browsing experience. If you use the Hero for web browsing after coming from the Pre, it is a VERY DIFFERENT (read SLOWER) experience.

Pre vs Hero in almost every other aspect is lacking....

Yeah Im going to keep the hero around and the pre... i like the hero but im curious to see the difference in the pre once flash is enabled as well as the gpu which currenly just sits in the pre unused lol.. both devices are really good but if a android phone comes around like the hd2 with a snapdragon processor im selling both devices.. It will be game over!
 
Android feels a bit like returning to Windows Mobile, but vastly improved. It's still clunky in places, it still suffers from bizarre memory management and odd multi-tasking, but overall it's very stable and it can do a lot of stuff - much more than the Pre and much more than the iPhone.

For me, the switch was a definite win. I really love a lot about Web OS, but I think it needs another year or two of serious improvement and developer support to be a truly great platform. If Palm can survive that long then I would not be surprised to see them gain some healthy marketshare. Until then, Android is the way to go.

I think u hit the nail on the head with those statements... Thats exactly how I feel... Android is in a way unpolished and as u stated clunky in places... If palm lasts long enough and is optimized because alot of things in the pre go unused, even the processor is not utilizing its full speed.. But its going to take palm a long time to get where it needs to be given their scarce resources and money. Now if Nokia were to buy Palm everybody run for cover lol.. Right now android is definatley on top of palm by a longshot...

Oh and in january u can get out of your contract if u want... They voided the contract by changing fees so that was a bunch of bull... The thing is though to be considered a new customer and recieve the discount on handsets u cannot have sprint for 90 days... by then they will have better phones anyway..
 
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To be honest, I'm a current Pre owner but I'm getting a HTC Hero. Several people are right the multi-tasking (on the Pre) is cool but not a game changer. For me, I like 'techy" phones like the HTC Hero. I love recording videos and snapping pictures and there are pros and cons of BOTH. I love the Pre's camera, it is wickedly fast, but you can record video on the Hero! Honestly I was so happy to get the Pre, but the apps are CRAP and and it doesn't have alot of features the Hero already has installed! I'm been trying to sell my Pre, but no luck. I love the customization of the Hero and the widgets are cool. The Pre...you have to in a sense "jailbreak" it or add patches to it to really take advantage of Pre customization (which could break your phone).