Horrible photos

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

And I say that in good faith, I do think Google has a serious QC issue and that the fact that you or anyone saw this issue is completely unacceptable and they need to get their act together. But I by no means believe that the issue is widespread ... as far as I can tell, the odds of getting a bad one from a tint perspective are less than 1 in 100. 1 in 10,000 is far too high, so 1 in 100 is horrible. I'm not arguing that it doesn't exist, merely that the media went nuts with this for the clicks and have people looking for something and then confirmation bias takes care of the rest.

 

[Mooncatt]

That's a very misguided title. The only way that could be considered to be true, by their own standards, is if zoom is the most important quality of a smartphone. On all the aspects of photography that actually matter, the P2XL beats it hands down. That's shown in DXO's own numbers. There's a good thread about it, but the S9+ is absolutely not the best camera on a smartphone - it merely has the highest combined score so far, based on the new criteria which heavily favors having multiple cameras as opposed to a single lens. So there is now less emphasis on image quality and more emphasis on the more sensational and also more trivial aspects of photography that are enhanced by having a second lens.

Everyone said DXO was full of it when they scored the P2XL above everything else... either they were or they weren't. If they were, then they're just as full of it now. The fact is, as was realized then, is that the combined score is meaningless. It's the individual scores that actually give us good information and if you look at those scores, the P2XL trounces the S9+.

You can go back further than that. When the V20 came out, they ranked it high but not the best even though real world use begged to differ. That's when it was discovered that DxO only tests in auto mode (like every other review), which meant they also encountered LG's overly aggressive noise reduction that hurts image quality.

While yes, knowing a camera's abilities in auto mode is important, it's not really judging the hardware due to the software programming. If you used manual mode to save as RAW files, the V20 is able to do much better and several people called DxO out on it at the time. If you're going to be scoring a camera, you need to at least separate hardware from software results.

 

[xaeryan]

Was it a serious issue that made using the device very frustrating

Very much so. I couldn't stand looking at it with white background screens, no extreme angles required. I'm being honest here, it was really bad on mine. I don't doubt that some are better than others, but the consensus has been that the 2 XL has a blue tint issue.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Very much so. I couldn't stand looking at it with white background screens, no extreme angles required. I'm being honest here, it was really bad on mine. I don't doubt that some are better than others, but the consensus has been that the 2 XL has a blue tint issue.

I don't doubt your experience at all, just whether or not it is statistically normal. That consensus is based on early reprinting of one reviewer's review unit. I have seen the blue tint myself, just not any worse than other comparable devices.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

You can go back further than that. When the V20 came out, they ranked it high but not the best even though real world use begged to differ. That's when it was discovered that DxO only tests in auto mode (like every other review), which meant they also encountered LG's overly aggressive noise reduction that hurts image quality.

While yes, knowing a camera's abilities in auto mode is important, it's not really judging the hardware due to the software programming. If you used manual mode to save as RAW files, the V20 is able to do much better and several people called DxO out on it at the time. If you're going to be scoring a camera, you need to at least separate hardware from software results.

V20 is a great example. Really good hardware with terrobad auto software. Shooting in manual mode it's a beast.

 

[ScottsoNJ]

That's a very misguided title. The only way that could be considered to be true, by their own standards, is if zoom is the most important quality of a smartphone. On all the aspects of photography that actually matter, the P2XL beats it hands down. That's shown in DXO's own numbers. There's a good thread about it, but the S9+ is absolutely not the best camera on a smartphone - it merely has the highest combined score so far, based on the new criteria which heavily favors having multiple cameras as opposed to a single lens. So there is now less emphasis on image quality and more emphasis on the more sensational and also more trivial aspects of photography that are enhanced by having a second lens.

Everyone said DXO was full of it when they scored the P2XL above everything else... either they were or they weren't. If they were, then they're just as full of it now. The fact is, as was realized then, is that the combined score is meaningless. It's the individual scores that actually give us good information and if you look at those scores, the P2XL trounces the S9+.

I doubt very much it trounces anything much less the S9+. The S9+ scored a 104 to the Pixel's 99 so I guess in your world 99 is better than 104.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I doubt very much it trounces anything much less the S9+. The S9+ scored a 104 to the Pixel's 99 so I guess in your world 99 is better than 104.

No; but in my world reading is important. Have you looked at the sub scores? Do you have any idea what the sub scores mean? Do you have any idea what I wrote in the quote that you just responded to? Your response indicates that the answer to all three of those questions is no. If I'm mistaken and one of the answers is yes, then you did a terrible job of representing your argument.

 

[xaeryan]

I don't doubt your experience at all, just whether or not it is statistically normal. That consensus is based on early reprinting of one reviewer's review unit. I have seen the blue tint myself, just not any worse than other comparable devices.

Agreed. FWIW, I loved mine so much other than the screen and was sad to return it. But I'm rocking a Pixel 2 instead now, and love it.

Another FWIW, Google's VP of Engineering has said the blue shift was a design decision based on hardware limitations of the screen:

"The slight blue tint is inherent in the display hardware and only visible when you hold the screen at a sharp angle. All displays are susceptible to some level of color shift (e.g. red, yellow, blue) when viewing from off angles due to the pixel cavity design."

“Similar to our choice with a cooler white point, we went with what users tend to prefer and chose a design that shifts blue.”

So I think the lottery is not whether you get blue shift, but how severe it is and whether it bothers you.

 

[mustang7757]

I feel the s9+ takes sharper pictures then my pixel 2 XL I will try the iPhone X later

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Agreed. FWIW, I loved mine so much other than the screen and was sad to return it. But I'm rocking a Pixel 2 instead now, and love it.

Another FWIW, Google's VP of Engineering has said the blue shift was a design decision based on hardware limitations of the screen:

"The slight blue tint is inherent in the display hardware and only visible when you hold the screen at a sharp angle. All displays are susceptible to some level of color shift (e.g. red, yellow, blue) when viewing from off angles due to the pixel cavity design."

“Similar to our choice with a cooler white point, we went with what users tend to prefer and chose a design that shifts blue.”

So I think the lottery is not whether you get blue shift, but how severe it is and whether it bothers you.

I also think that all amoled have blue (or other) shift, but the severity varies - and THAT is the QC problem.

 

[mustang7757]

like to say the pixel 2 xl is very very good phone I have no problem with blue tint I would recommend the pixel 2 xl to anyone

 

[anon(5630457)]

Ugh. I'm guessing the bottom photo is from the Samsung? I can tell because it's soft and too light (or white). The white balance is off. I hate it.

I'm glad I canceled my preorder.

 

[mustang7757]

the selfie camera is better on the pixel 2xl then the s9+
the iPhone X comes 3rd to these phones

 

[ScottsoNJ]

No; but in my world reading is important. Have you looked at the sub scores? Do you have any idea what the sub scores mean? Do you have any idea what I wrote in the quote that you just responded to? Your response indicates that the answer to all three of those questions is no. If I'm mistaken and one of the answers is yes, then you did a terrible job of representing your argument.

Do you know what the overall score is? If the Pixel trounces EVERYTHING why did the S9+ get a better overall score? And why did they rate it the best smartphone camera ?

 

[anon(1733)]

No; but in my world reading is important. Have you looked at the sub scores? Do you have any idea what the sub scores mean? Do you have any idea what I wrote in the quote that you just responded to? Your response indicates that the answer to all three of those questions is no. If I'm mistaken and one of the answers is yes, then you did a terrible job of representing your argument.

These scores are just the combined score in all categories. We can argue all day long on what beats what. Everyone sees something different. If you prefer the pixel cool. No harm. It Does win in different categories. But the overall combined score is what it is. Why go back and forth.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Do you know what the overall score is? If the Pixel trounces EVERYTHING why did the S9+ get a better overall score? And why did they rate it the best smartphone camera ?

I dunno, I suppose I and others answered that already. I suppose you could read it and answer your own question. Also, pay attention a little to the straw man you're creating to argue against - because no one has said that the Pixel trounces EVERYTHING.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

These scores are just the combined score in all categories. We can argue all day long on what beats what. Everyone sees something different. If you prefer the pixel cool. No harm. It Does win in different categories. But the overall combined score is what it is. Why go back and forth.

they're a weighted average with an obvious bias towards zoom and bokeh, so much so that they overcome exposure, color, contrast, etc. we don't know the exact weights, but it's obvious that it is biased in favor of dual cameras.

 

[ScottsoNJ]

I dunno, I suppose I and others answered that already. I suppose you could read it and answer your own question. Also, pay attention a little to the straw man you're creating to argue against - because no one has said that the Pixel trounces EVERYTHING.

I've come to the conclusion we can agree to disagree

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I've come to the conclusion we can agree to disagree

sounds good, have a good one

 

[rushmore]

I'm surprised you still think the Pixel 2 XL's have a widespread "crappy screen" issue. That myth was busted before it even went wide.

Your know what want ain't busted? Pixel ain't got no card slot, 3.5 jack, or better sounding speakers. Ain't no bustin' that

I kid in my tone here of course. I do prefer pics from Pixel XL though, but prefer everything else with the 9+.