How will hsupa help

[mark.tumang]

I've been reading that at&t will give us an update this month that will enable our hsupa. Just wondering ... how will enabling hsupa help out with 4g speeds. Dont people use hsdpa more than hsupa. Please someone explain to me why people are so excited about this update andhow it will help with my so called 4g atrix.

 

[lshuman]

I've been reading that at&t will give us an update this month that will enable our hsupa. Just wondering ... how will enabling hsupa help out with 4g speeds. Dont people use hsdpa more than hsupa. Please someone explain to me why people are so excited about this update andhow it will help with my so called 4g atrix.

HSUPA is for 3g upload speeds. If you do a speed test on your phone, you will see that upload speeds are very slow compared to 3g phones.

Once ATT turn on the backhaul for H+ then we will no longer need th HSUPA for upload speeds.

 

[sublime187]

a lot of people are confusing HSUPA as being a solution to the ridiculously SLOW download speeds, when all it's going to do is give a small bump to the HORRENDOUSLY slow upload speeds.

how the hell can AT&T have the balls to call this the Atrix 4g, when we're getting crappy 3g download speeds of 1-3mbps?

t-mobile HSPA+ gets 5 or 6 down where i am.

i can't believe there is not more outrage over this.

 

[ElliottG]

a lot of people are confusing HSUPA as being a solution to the ridiculously SLOW download speeds, when all it's going to do is give a small bump to the HORRENDOUSLY slow upload speeds.

how the hell can AT&T have the balls to call this the Atrix 4g, when we're getting crappy 3g download speeds of 1-3mbps?

t-mobile HSPA+ gets 5 or 6 down where i am.

i can't believe there is not more outrage over this.

The faster your phone can connect with the server (through upload) to send your information, the faster you start to download it.

 

[Terrigno]

The faster your phone can connect with the server (through upload) to send your information, the faster you start to download it.

Thanks for that tip. I thought that HSUPA originally was totally for uploading stuff. But then I realized when downloading that information is sent and then recieved everytime. People can notice the up and down arrows blink under H+.

Yes when the backhaul is complete thats when we will notice the speeds are going to get better. But still. The other poster was totally right. Why would they advertise something like this and not follow through with what they advertised? Im suprised you dont get a lawsuit for doing something like that. Theres loopholes in the industry. As long as the speeds are a tiny tad bit quicker then 3G, they can say its 4G. Its crazy how the marketing will make them a profit. Still, the phone is quick and fantastic. And I actually get pretty good download speeds myself. My only complain really is the wifi interfiering with the data connecting and stops all connections for a few seconds. Power users no likey. I herd Motos on it.

 

[mark.tumang]

Thats true but really how much of a difference will that make when were all not getting 4g speeds in the first place?

 

[Freakish Gnome]

how the hell can AT&T have the balls to call this the Atrix 4g, when we're getting crappy 3g download speeds of 1-3mbps?

t-mobile HSPA+ gets 5 or 6 down where i am.

i can't believe there is not more outrage over this.

There is, but what can we do other than switch carriers? Some of us (like me) don't have that choice, and frankly AT&T could care less that we don't have an iPhone in our hands.

They really dropped the ball on this one.

 

[sk8trix]

So how do I know if my affix is getting 4G...if at all.im in the nyc area so how can I check?my service is pretty good I get the H+ and bars and stuff but how do I know if I get 4g

 

[ka3yan]

To the OP, if you've ever used your front facing camera for a video chat over 3G, you'll understand how important HSUPA is.

 

[gvndeb60]

So how do I know if my affix is getting 4G...if at all.im in the nyc area so how can I check?my service is pretty good I get the H+ and bars and stuff but how do I know if I get 4g

Good question. Under settings, about phone, signal strength, I believe it tells you connection type. Plus you can look at their 4G map to see if it is even in your area. Post back please, I am curious what your actual speeds are if you are on "4G".

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[gvndeb60]

I still do not get all of the lawsuit talk and extreme anger. It is called 4G because of marketing, something all businesses do. I am by no means affiliated with AT&T and they piss me off for plenty of reasons, but to get angry when it clearly says 4G not in all areas I just don't get. You have 30 days when you get the phone to return it, you should have figured out by then that upload is capped. Now for something to get angry about....why does my phone not drive for me or print money or create world peace. Stupid AT&T, Verizon, etc... if they do t fix that I am calling the BBB.

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[sublime187]

I still do not get all of the lawsuit talk and extreme anger. It is called 4G because of marketing, something all businesses do. I am by no means affiliated with AT&T and they piss me off for plenty of reasons, but to get angry when it clearly says 4G not in all areas I just don't get. You have 30 days when you get the phone to return it, you should have figured out by then that upload is capped. Now for something to get angry about....why does my phone not drive for me or print money or create world peace. Stupid AT&T, Verizon, etc... if they do t fix that I am calling the BBB.

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All of the carriers misuse the 4G label, but AT&T's current HSPA+ shows no improvement over HSPA. They are the slowest "4G"of all the networks. T-mobile also falsely advertises HSPA+ as 4G, but at least their HSPA+ actually works.

I'm in a major market (Detroit) in which HSPA+ is supposed to have already been deployed, and I consistently get 1-2.5mb down. I was getting the same speeds on my old Blackberry. By the time this "enhanced backhaul" BS is complete LTE will already be the new 4G standard.

I don't think any of what I'm saying is unreasonable. Obviously, I like the phone, and was already stuck on AT&T. But when some of my friends are getting more than double my speeds on T-Mobile's HSPA+ and pay $30 or $40 less per month, shouldn't I be a little pissed?

HSPA+ = HSPA+ <--- shouldn't this be a true statement?


The point is, rather than *****ing about HSUPA to ATT, the people should be demanding better download speeds. I'm just tired of reading threads about how HSUPA IS COMING!!!! when all that means is when that's all said and done, we'll still be getting CRAP SPEEDS.

 

[dalvik]

I have another question though... HTC Thunderbolt is an LTE phone and as you all know it lives only for 4 hours and then has to be charged again... This is mainly because of the 4G that eats up the battery so quickly aside of the fact that its laughable 1400mAh... Now, i am concerned with the same issue on Atrix when ATT will update it for HSDPA/HSUPA speeds. I don't know about you guys, but when i got this phone i was well aware of the AT&T 4G BS going on and this petition and whatnot, my primary aim was to use this phone for enternteiment and rich web experience just what my blackberry bold 9700 lacked... And I am kind of happy... kind of, because i still think that batery life sucks on this phone. right now Atrix is working on the same 3G speed as my bold did and its quite satisfying for me. So if the future HSDPA/HSUPA update will turn out to be a battery hog i will look for apps to disable these speeds...

 

[anon62607]

All of the carriers misuse the 4G label, but AT&T's current HSPA+ shows no improvement over HSPA. They are the slowest "4G"of all the networks. T-mobile also falsely advertises HSPA+ as 4G, but at least their HSPA+ actually works.

I'm in a major market (Detroit) in which HSPA+ is supposed to have already been deployed, and I consistently get 1-2.5mb down. I was getting the same speeds on my old Blackberry. By the time this "enhanced backhaul" BS is complete LTE will already be the new 4G standard.

I don't think any of what I'm saying is unreasonable. Obviously, I like the phone, and was already stuck on AT&T. But when some of my friends are getting more than double my speeds on T-Mobile's HSPA+ and pay $30 or $40 less per month, shouldn't I be a little pissed?

HSPA+ = HSPA+ <--- shouldn't this be a true statement?


The point is, rather than *****ing about HSUPA to ATT, the people should be demanding better download speeds. I'm just tired of reading threads about how HSUPA IS COMING!!!! when all that means is when that's all said and done, we'll still be getting CRAP SPEEDS.

It's not as simple as saying HSPA+ = HSPA+, because it isn't really true. HSPA+ generally refers to any of the HSPAs in rel7 or beyond of the specification and each provider can implement different capabilities. T-Mobile has been the most aggressive (so far as I can tell) with deploying the higher order HSPA+ (42 mbit MIMO configurations iirc) and also, generally I think AT&T's network is considerably more loaded than T-Mobile.

Another consideration is that the Atrix doesn't have the HSUPA (reverse link) working and with TCP traffic there is quite a bit of ACK back traffic, and to an extent the download link can be limjiged by the performance of the upward link

 

[sk8trix]

well here in NYC area it says I get 4G but my phone tell me this;-95dbm ecno: -10 rat 3g.....so I'm also one of the lucky ones getting 3g rather than 4G...

at&t plays it off like we get 4g....well maybe soon if we're patient besides t mobile is being swallowed by at&t now....sorry i posted so long after but work can be really annoying sometimes.

 

[sk8trix]

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[gvndeb60]

All of the carriers misuse the 4G label, but AT&T's current HSPA+ shows no improvement over HSPA. They are the slowest "4G"of all the networks. T-mobile also falsely advertises HSPA+ as 4G, but at least their HSPA+ actually works.

I'm in a major market (Detroit) in which HSPA+ is supposed to have already been deployed, and I consistently get 1-2.5mb down. I was getting the same speeds on my old Blackberry. By the time this "enhanced backhaul" BS is complete LTE will already be the new 4G standard.

I don't think any of what I'm saying is unreasonable. Obviously, I like the phone, and was already stuck on AT&T. But when some of my friends are getting more than double my speeds on T-Mobile's HSPA+ and pay $30 or $40 less per month, shouldn't I be a little pissed?

HSPA+ = HSPA+ <--- shouldn't this be a true statement?


The point is, rather than *****ing about HSUPA to ATT, the people should be demanding better download speeds. I'm just tired of reading threads about how HSUPA IS COMING!!!! when all that means is when that's all said and done, we'll still be getting CRAP SPEEDS.

You have every right to be mad at what ever you want, it is a free world. But at the same time you signed a contract with an out(30 days) that you chose not to take. I am not trying to hate on you(love the grammer), but you could have stuck with your Blackberry and just finished your contract and left. Also, we can demand better speeds all we want and it does nothing, they only listen to $$$ like all companies. End of the day they can make you mad but you still renew your contract so they win. I hear you and agree that this continent should get our crap together and join the rest of the world with 4G, I am just tired of going on this forum looking for a positive environment and all of the wonderfullness of Android and this phone and I see complaining. Grass is not always greener, go to Verizon and LTE(the only true 4G) and have 4 hour battery life. Tmobile and have spotty coverage, Sprint and SLOW speeds....in my area.

 

[gvndeb60]

well here in NYC area it says I get 4G but my phone tell me this;-95dbm ecno: -10 rat 3g.....so I'm also one of the lucky ones getting 3g rather than 4G...

Does anyone know if this is the correct way to see if you are on 4G or 3G? Makes sense to me, but I am dumb.

 

[sk8trix]

yea that's prolly the right way to check......I'm still upset I'm on 3g but there isn't much I can do anyways.

 

[Eccezarathustra]

H+ vs 3G

I think a lot of people are forgetting what 3G is... Originally it specified downlinks of 1mbps, what At&t sold as UMTS back in the day. Since then they have started selling
HSPA (primarily hsdpa as the uplink didnt matter to most people and they could save on bandwidth by offering only asychronous service) Back when At&t started selling 3G no one really cared about internet speeds on phones. Even the original iPhone didnt have 3G capability. Now that everyone has gotten smart phones in the era of
3.5G or hsdpa everyone automatically thinks that 3G=3mbps. It doesn't. While the
theoretical cap on 3.5G is about 6mbps (correct me if im wrong its too late to look this up) Actual speeds vary. I've gotten 4.5mbps on my Captivate, and consider myself lucky. At&t's 4G service however is no different than its 3.5G, nor is Tmobile's. They are just extensions of the original HSPA specification, the difference is how much of the channel is allocated to each subscriber and the release under which the phone must comply. But at the end of the day its the exact same thing, only bumped up a bit.

HSUPA helps as has been pointed out because tcp traffic requires acknowledgements to be sent, and that slow upload slows down real time browsing. My Captivate can get 1.5mbps up (HSUPA) my wife's Inspire 4G gets
300kbps. My browsing is slightly faster.

On another note, as far as i can tell 4G has only been rolled out to 8 cities in the US, according to At&t's website. NoCal, SoCal, Dallas, Chicago, Baltimore, Providence, Charlotte, and i think Phoenix... the data is hard to come by even At&t
reps aren't sure. But here's the rub, since its the same tech (akin to ordering a higher speed from your cable company) They can say that its available (sorta) but they just need to improve the backhaul (their connection from each tower to the internet).

Are they taking their time? Yes, but im overall satisfied with their service. Did I care about 4G 3 months ago? no, will i wait until the kinks are ironed out. Yes.