Htc fans unite!! (read my manifesto)

[Ry]

Oh Ry, still grasping at straws. I clearly say "I was thinking of getting one", along with "hopefully all of these handle only having 1gb better than my One X". I will need to see for my self if 1gb of ram is sufficient on the Nexus 7. I am not spec blinded. You obviously need to see if the performance meets your needs regardless of specs. Storage and battery life are pretty dang easy to analyze, RAM is a bit more difficult.

You called 1GB pathetic. So is it pathetic or not?

 

[natenrb9]

You called 1GB pathetic. So is it pathetic or not?

If performance suffers, yes. And this by the way, is the same answer to every other spec question.

 

[natenrb9]

With Android, there are many choices. Bend over? Really? If I don't like something about a certain phone, I'll take my business elsewhere if that particular spec mattered to me.

This isn't the iPhone where we have to like one model for a year.

Put yourself in HTC's shoes for a second.

You're coming off a poor showing in 2011. You've announced you're going to do some consolidation, develop less variants of phones but put more into each of them.

Your market research tells you (please look up articles on Android Central and Engadget where their editors where welcomed to HTC headquarters to witness R&D on new products) consumers want thin and light phones with good screens and access to the fastest networks.

You decide to create the One series, three phones that each tackle a market segment (V, S, and X for budget, midrange, and high-end respectively). You start shopping the line out to your carrier partners.

Budget carriers love the V. They'll take it but their budgets don't allow them to take the S and X. Sprint and Verizon come back to you and say, "hey what about that EVO and DROID line you were a part of? Don't you need some help marketing? We've created lines that our customers know."

T-Mobile, they like the X. They want the X. But AT&T comes and says we like the X too and we'll take it only if we get an exclusive on it. AT&T even offers to pitch in with marketing. Sorry T-Mobile, but you just get the S.

The reviews are glowing. Most recommend the phone as a buy. But the sales, they're just not there. Compare the marketing with what was done for the sales leaders. Take polls and survey mobile phone users on the strength of the One series as a brand versus the iPhone and the Galaxy S3.

Do you gamble on creating a halo phone AND and take it or leave attitude with the carriers? Will you be able to put the marketing muscle behind this new halo phone to make sure EVERYONE knows about this phone? Will you be able to make people WANT this phone over every other phone?

Can you price a phone with 64GB of space competitively against others in it's class? What if the carriers don't want it? Where will we sell the phone?

Or do you continue to play the carrier game?

The above events are purely fictional. Any relationship to actual events is purely coincidental.

Ok, I get it, HTC is getting screwed over by the carriers. What do they do in 2013 to reclaim profits and sales? (If not fixing their spec problems, as you have been so inclined to argue against.)

 

[Ry]

Ok, I get it, HTC is getting screwed over by the carriers. What do they do in 2013 to reclaim profits and sales? (If not fixing their spec problems, as you have been so inclined to argue against.)

My answer is focus on marketing their stuff better. They have good products now. They just need to get the word out. Playing the spec battle won't help if no one knows about their products.

 

[StuartV]

So are you telling me that your dad read about the differences between the RAZR and Rezound?

Or did your dad get the RAZR simply because you told him to get it without doing any research on his own?

He did research. He asked someone that he knows to be very knowledgable on the subject, that he trusts, and who has no agenda to sell him anything. Me.

When you buy a phone, do you research the brands of the individual chips inside it? Do you evaluate the merits of the manufacturing techniques of the Wifi chip in one versus another? Or do you just check that both phones have 802.11xyzflavoroftheyear? We ALL research these purchases - some to just to a more detailed level than others. And then we all take it on faith that the details we didn't specifically, personally research are going to be satisfactory based on the info we did look into and our perception of the source of that info.

Which brings me back around to my original point. Sure, most folks don't look as deeply into the details of their smartphones as we do. But, that doesn't mean they don't care and don't do research. It just means that their research stops at a much higher level than ours. They ask what they consider to be a knowledgable source with the expectation that their source would tell them if there were reasons (for example, deficiencies in certain device specifications) to not buy a certain device. They care about the specs, they just don't explicitly ask. They assume their source of guidance has already checked the specs and determined the specs will meet their needs.

 

[Ry]

He did research. He asked someone that he knows to be very knowledgable on the subject, that he trusts, and who has no agenda to sell him anything. Me.

When you buy a phone, do you research the brands of the individual chips inside it? Do you evaluate the merits of the manufacturing techniques of the Wifi chip in one versus another? Or do you just check that both phones have 802.11xyzflavoroftheyear? We ALL research these purchases - some to just to a more detailed level than others. And then we all take it on faith that the details we didn't specifically, personally research are going to be satisfactory based on the info we did look into and our perception of the source of that info.

Which brings me back around to my original point. Sure, most folks don't look as deeply into the details of their smartphones as we do. But, that doesn't mean they don't care and don't do research. It just means that their research stops at a much higher level than ours. They ask what they consider to be a knowledgable source with the expectation that their source would tell them if there were reasons (for example, deficiencies in certain device specifications) to not buy a certain device. They care about the specs, they just don't explicitly ask. They assume their source of guidance has already checked the specs and determined the specs will meet their needs.

So you and your opinions were the only source?

That's all I needed to hear.

 

[StuartV]

How well does the Nexus 7 run 4.2?


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I wouldn't know. Don't have one. Don't want one.

My Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 with 96GB of onboard storage (most of it in use and working perfectly) is handling all my tablet needs. And will probably be able to be upgraded to several versions of Android past what the Nexus 7 will be able to run in 1GB of RAM....

 

[StuartV]

So you and your opinions were the only source?

That's all I needed to hear.

Yep. About as "REGULAR" a consumer as it gets and purchased pretty much with no regard whatsoever to marketing. I actually recommended him to get the RAZR MAXX or the Galaxy Nexus. I suggested he should probably go with the GNex just because it already had ICS and the RAZR did not. But, I told him either would be good for him. He went with the RAZR MAXX because of the extra battery. I.e. Ultimately, a choice based on specs - not marketing.

 

[bplewis24]

I would get on board with this with some minor changes, if it weren't for the fact that nothing was said about Sense. IMO any "Manifesto" should begin with having them significantly reducing or rework the bloat that is Sense.

 

[dsignori]

Also, Ry, osubeavs728, and dsignori are any of you getting the HTC DNA or HTC One X+? And if not, why (honestly)?

I will be getting the DNA on the 21st. Can't wait.

 

[natenrb9]

I would get on board with this with some minor changes, if it weren't for the fact that nothing was said about Sense. IMO any "Manifesto" should begin with having them significantly reducing or rework the bloat that is Sense.

Well, if you don't like Sense, I would just stick with other manufacturers.

 

[StuartV]

I would get on board with this with some minor changes, if it weren't for the fact that nothing was said about Sense. IMO any "Manifesto" should begin with having them significantly reducing or rework the bloat that is Sense.

As long as HTC maintains the developer-friendliness of their phones, I wouldn't be worried about that. Easy enough to ROM it with CyanogenMod. That's another GREAT thing about my Rezound. The hardware has pretty much everything except NFC and I can load up whatever vanilla Android I want. Usually, pretty quickly after you can get it on any other platform.

 

[natenrb9]

I will be getting the DNA on the 21st. Can't wait.

Cool, I would still seriously consider the DNA, even with the 16gb problem, except it is only on verizon...

 

[osubeavs728]

And will probably be able to be upgraded to several versions of Android past what the Nexus 7 will be able to run in 1GB of RAM....

I find that hard to believe since you're comparing a note to a nexus. Could the note run more intensive versions? Technically yes, will it? Likely not. It probably won't go past Jelly bean, KLP if you're lucky, as far as updates. But the Nexus 7 will likely have the next 3-4 updates.

 

[osubeavs728]

Cool, I would still seriously consider the DNA, even with the 16gb problem, except it is only on verizon...

This was posted earlier today on the home page HTC DLX leaks come full circle with the international 'Deluxe' | Android Central

 

[natenrb9]

This was posted earlier today on the home page HTC DLX leaks come full circle with the international 'Deluxe' | Android Central

Yeah, saw this. Hopefully, we will see an AT&T version soon! And with any luck it will have more storage (64gb), and a bigger battery!!! Please!!

 

[StuartV]

I find that hard to believe since you're comparing a note to a nexus. Could the note run more intensive versions? Technically yes, will it? Likely not. It probably won't go past Jelly bean, KLP if you're lucky, as far as updates. But the Nexus 7 will likely have the next 3-4 updates.

Huh? The N7 has 1GB of RAM. The Note 10.1 has 2GB.

How many phones have stopped getting new versions of Android because they "do not have enough memory to run the new version"?

At whatever point the N7 becomes too limited to support running the latest version of Android, the Note 10.1 will still be going strong. THAT is why new devices for Power Users should have 2GB of RAM.

 

[Ry]

Yeah, saw this. Hopefully, we will see an AT&T version soon! And with any luck it will have more storage (64gb), and a bigger battery!!! Please!!

I'd be willing to bet that DROID DNA exclusivity for Verizon means we won't see an HTC Deluxe available for a US carrier.

 

[osubeavs728]

Huh? The N7 has 1GB of RAM. The Note 10.1 has 2GB.

How many phones have stopped getting new versions of Android because they "do not have enough memory to run the new version"?

At whatever point the N7 becomes too limited to support running the latest version of Android, the Note 10.1 will still be going strong. THAT is why new devices for Power Users should have 2GB of RAM.

I'm not refuting the fact that the Note hardware could support more intensive OS versions. All I'm saying is that Samsung will probably choose not to keep pushing out updates for it past JB or KLP, even though it can run them.

and to answer the question two devices as of recently have been barred from a new os version. The Nexus S and the Motorola Xoom will be left on 4.1 because hardware limitations (presumably due in large part to ram) will not allow them to operate correctly on 4.2

 

[osubeavs728]

I'd be willing to bet that DROID DNA exclusivity for Verizon means we won't see an HTC Deluxe available for a US carrier.

This is actually a good point. Rarely do you ever see a phone that Starts at verizon and then moves to other US carriers. It's usually always the other way around. Hell it could only be a 6 month exclusive deal but by that time this phone as well as the other phones coming out this holiday season will be old news anyway.