Skyway
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He's referring to the camera comparison I posted in the link. The HTC pictures they posted to compare to the other phones are really small, not sure why.
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He's referring to the camera comparison I posted in the link. The HTC pictures they posted to compare to the other phones are really small, not sure why.
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I did the same thing on the M8 and there was no detectable detail difference. What might have confused you is that the s4 allows you to pinch zoom more, while HTC limits pinch zoom, on all their phones I've used. On lettering at 3ft, 6ft, and ~15ft, detail was the same in my tests when viewing with an equal amount of pinch zoom on the screen. If you analyzed them on a full sized monitor, they may differ.
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On the subject of comparing last year's iPhone with this year's One, AC's sister site did a direct comparison. Results and conclusions speak for themselves and are entirely consistent with virtually every professional review I've seen.
iPhone 5s vs. HTC One M8: Camera shootout! | iMore
iPhone 5s vs. HTC One M8: Camera shootout! | iMore
Hello,
I'd just like to post my brief experience of the M8 camera so far, picked one up this afternoon, had the M7 for 12 months before hand. Both UK models.
With the M7 I had several issues:
1) Purple tints if bright light to the sides out of the picture
2) Focus would hunt in anything but bright light. It would go from out of focus, through in focus back to out of focus and then give up
3) White balance seemed to be calculated from the angle you were holding the phone and have little to do with the scene, could get all sorts of shades simply by tapping the same spot on the screen to make it refocus, almost trippy when the focus was hunting.
4) Struggled with a mix of bright and dark elements to a scene, you'd get blown out portions or black portions depending on where you focused, HDR seems pointless.
5) Very high compression, 4mp is low, but even still, the loss of detail is huge.
6) Noisy in low light, white balance defaults to 'red tint'
7) Flash assist focus is slow and cannot be turned off, having a flash in your face is bad enough, staring at it while the phone focuses is a no-no.
M8 vs M7:
1) None seen at all, it's dark outside but even inside with the bright main lights to one side of the frame there is no colour issue at all, huge improvement
2) Less than 300ms? In good light yes, certainly seems faster than the M7, but whilst I see less of the hunting in dim light, it is still there and just unforgivable when you're advertising a phone with a depth sensing camera. That said, whilst it does go through the entire focus range, it does then snap back, most of the time, to a reasonably good focus. It almost as if it falls back on the depth data if it can't focus optically. But the whole process makes its use as social snapper a bit limited I feel. I certainly wouldn't rely on it to catch any in the moment snaps inside with the lights off.
3) No issues whatsoever, seems to be perfect at all times, another huge improvement.
4) I don't see any improvement here at all, it's dreadful. Shame you can't decouple the exposure point from the focus point or have multi-point exposure.
5) I think this is actually worse
6) I think this is worse also, though I have not tried the max ISO feature
7) Same, though I noticed on several occasions it used the flash to focus but not capture. Can't turn the flash assist on or off separately to the flash for capture. Flash exposure does seem better though.
New issues (or at least ones I've not had on the M7):
1) Screen appears to 'flicker' if pointed at a cluster of bright lights and you move the phone around a bit, I'd suggest some auto-gain or exposure control doesn't have very fine control and is visibly jumping between one level and another.
2) Re-focusing only seems to work if the photo was in focus originally. One of my test shots in dim light was out of focus, I tried to refocus it and it made little difference. I did wonder whether this feature would compensate for the focusing problems...
3) No Zoe, despite updating it from the Play store...? This is a killer feature, all other issues aside.
The camera is better, no doubt about it, but better and good are not the same at all, and this is still a disappointing camera for low light unless you have a tripod and a static scene. Hopefully all resolvable with some software updates.
I'd just like to post my brief experience of the M8 camera so far, picked one up this afternoon, had the M7 for 12 months before hand. Both UK models.
With the M7 I had several issues:
1) Purple tints if bright light to the sides out of the picture
2) Focus would hunt in anything but bright light. It would go from out of focus, through in focus back to out of focus and then give up
3) White balance seemed to be calculated from the angle you were holding the phone and have little to do with the scene, could get all sorts of shades simply by tapping the same spot on the screen to make it refocus, almost trippy when the focus was hunting.
4) Struggled with a mix of bright and dark elements to a scene, you'd get blown out portions or black portions depending on where you focused, HDR seems pointless.
5) Very high compression, 4mp is low, but even still, the loss of detail is huge.
6) Noisy in low light, white balance defaults to 'red tint'
7) Flash assist focus is slow and cannot be turned off, having a flash in your face is bad enough, staring at it while the phone focuses is a no-no.
M8 vs M7:
1) None seen at all, it's dark outside but even inside with the bright main lights to one side of the frame there is no colour issue at all, huge improvement
2) Less than 300ms? In good light yes, certainly seems faster than the M7, but whilst I see less of the hunting in dim light, it is still there and just unforgivable when you're advertising a phone with a depth sensing camera. That said, whilst it does go through the entire focus range, it does then snap back, most of the time, to a reasonably good focus. It almost as if it falls back on the depth data if it can't focus optically. But the whole process makes its use as social snapper a bit limited I feel. I certainly wouldn't rely on it to catch any in the moment snaps inside with the lights off.
3) No issues whatsoever, seems to be perfect at all times, another huge improvement.
4) I don't see any improvement here at all, it's dreadful. Shame you can't decouple the exposure point from the focus point or have multi-point exposure.
5) I think this is actually worse
6) I think this is worse also, though I have not tried the max ISO feature
7) Same, though I noticed on several occasions it used the flash to focus but not capture. Can't turn the flash assist on or off separately to the flash for capture. Flash exposure does seem better though.
New issues (or at least ones I've not had on the M7):
1) Screen appears to 'flicker' if pointed at a cluster of bright lights and you move the phone around a bit, I'd suggest some auto-gain or exposure control doesn't have very fine control and is visibly jumping between one level and another.
2) Re-focusing only seems to work if the photo was in focus originally. One of my test shots in dim light was out of focus, I tried to refocus it and it made little difference. I did wonder whether this feature would compensate for the focusing problems...
3) No Zoe, despite updating it from the Play store...? This is a killer feature, all other issues aside.
The camera is better, no doubt about it, but better and good are not the same at all, and this is still a disappointing camera for low light unless you have a tripod and a static scene. Hopefully all resolvable with some software updates.
madlaw1071
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Hello,
I'd just like to post my brief experience of the M8 camera so far, picked one up this afternoon, had the M7 for 12 months before hand. Both UK models.
With the M7 I had several issues:
1) Purple tints if bright light to the sides out of the picture
2) Focus would hunt in anything but bright light. It would go from out of focus, through in focus back to out of focus and then give up
3) White balance seemed to be calculated from the angle you were holding the phone and have little to do with the scene, could get all sorts of shades simply by tapping the same spot on the screen to make it refocus, almost trippy when the focus was hunting.
4) Struggled with a mix of bright and dark elements to a scene, you'd get blown out portions or black portions depending on where you focused, HDR seems pointless.
5) Very high compression, 4mp is low, but even still, the loss of detail is huge.
6) Noisy in low light, white balance defaults to 'red tint'
7) Flash assist focus is slow and cannot be turned off, having a flash in your face is bad enough, staring at it while the phone focuses is a no-no.
M8 vs M7:
1) None seen at all, it's dark outside but even inside with the bright main lights to one side of the frame there is no colour issue at all, huge improvement
2) Less than 300ms? In good light yes, certainly seems faster than the M7, but whilst I see less of the hunting in dim light, it is still there and just unforgivable when you're advertising a phone with a depth sensing camera. That said, whilst it does go through the entire focus range, it does then snap back, most of the time, to a reasonably good focus. It almost as if it falls back on the depth data if it can't focus optically. But the whole process makes its use as social snapper a bit limited I feel. I certainly wouldn't rely on it to catch any in the moment snaps inside with the lights off.
3) No issues whatsoever, seems to be perfect at all times, another huge improvement.
4) I don't see any improvement here at all, it's dreadful. Shame you can't decouple the exposure point from the focus point or have multi-point exposure.
5) I think this is actually worse
6) I think this is worse also, though I have not tried the max ISO feature
7) Same, though I noticed on several occasions it used the flash to focus but not capture. Can't turn the flash assist on or off separately to the flash for capture. Flash exposure does seem better though.
New issues (or at least ones I've not had on the M7):
1) Screen appears to 'flicker' if pointed at a cluster of bright lights and you move the phone around a bit, I'd suggest some auto-gain or exposure control doesn't have very fine control and is visibly jumping between one level and another.
2) Re-focusing only seems to work if the photo was in focus originally. One of my test shots in dim light was out of focus, I tried to refocus it and it made little difference. I did wonder whether this feature would compensate for the focusing problems...
3) No Zoe, despite updating it from the Play store...? This is a killer feature, all other issues aside.
The camera is better, no doubt about it, but better and good are not the same at all, and this is still a disappointing camera for low light unless you have a tripod and a static scene. Hopefully all resolvable with some software updates.
Hard to fix number 5 with software. I'm not an expert but the lack of mp is hard to overcome with software tweaks.
I agree that nothing can fix the limitations of 4mp, but the situation could be improved (albeit only some) by offering a compression/quality setting.
Yes, the software is there, but it doesn't do anything other than offer to 'check for updates'. The Google Play page says 'Coming Summer 2014'.
I have just had a gallery update and the copy and paste feature is now there, copied a photo of one child in a dim room and pasted into another photo. Neat.
Skyway
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I just checked on the seperate zoe app and you are correct, it does nothing. However the zoe option in the actual camera app works fine for me.
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this is just the new zoe sharing app coming this summer, nothing to do with actually zoe feature on camera. It is different this year though, you have to pick the zoe mode and then hold the shutter (screen or volume button) to take the zoe, if you hold past three seconds it locks and you can remove finger and it will keep recording.
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Discussion? More like a big WHINE fest! I'm BLOWN AWAY by the number of people complaining about this phone's camera! My God, people. If you want to take the most incredible photos in the world, then use an actual CAMERA to do it! May I suggest a 2 thousand dollar DSLR by Canon, and NOT a two-hundred dollar cell phone?!
Discussion? More like a big WHINE fest! I'm BLOWN AWAY by the number of people complaining about this phone's camera! My God, people. If you want to take the most incredible photos in the world, then use an actual CAMERA to do it! May I suggest a 2 thousand dollar DSLR by Canon, and NOT a two-hundred dollar cell phone?!
Your point has some validity if course but mobile cameras do matter a great bit because of accessibility. 'The best camera is that which you have with you.' and all. Also, given the competition, the quality of the camera is notable. If the competition is putting decent shooters in their phones then so must HTC.
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Good comparison
http://btekt.com/comparisons/394/ca...tc-one-iphone-5s-lumia-1020-xperia-z1-compact
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http://btekt.com/comparisons/394/ca...tc-one-iphone-5s-lumia-1020-xperia-z1-compact
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Such is the nature of any flagship release. The forum is typically overrun by people who have no intention of buying the phone, but feel the need to justify their current device or future device purchase, by criticizing the device in question. Give it a few weeks and the forum will normalize.Discussion? More like a big WHINE fest! I'm BLOWN AWAY by the number of people complaining about this phone's camera! My God, people. If you want to take the most incredible photos in the world, then use an actual CAMERA to do it! May I suggest a 2 thousand dollar DSLR by Canon, and NOT a two-hundred dollar cell phone?!
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It's interesting... there seems to be no shortage of critical reviews that rate the M8 camera as being on par with the iPhone 5C, which has been the standard by which cameras are judged. Yet there's an endless stream of people bashing it. However, I'm guessing most of these folks have never actually taken a picture with the M8.
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It doesn't finish a top when pitted against last years smartphones. How will it fare against his years crop?
I have had the M8 for a week and the camera takes excellent snaps. The versatility and features of the camera makes it an outstanding everyday shooter. I have no issues with people comparing and stacking numbers, pixels and sensor sizes against one another. But at the end of the day, the only question that really matters, is does the camera actually take nice looking photos? If you're publishing your photos in National Geographic magazine, perhaps there just aren't enough pixels on the M8 to do that job adequately. But don't for one second think the M8 isn't an excellent camera. These aren't my photos; but take a look at this man's gallery and then tell me the M8 camera isn't good enough. Flickr M8 Set
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While that's a fair question, I also don't need to take significantly better pictures than I was three months ago. None of the iPhone fans have been clamoring for a better camera. Why should I care if this camera is only as good as that one?
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