I Took a Cold Steel Micro Recon and House Key to a Demo Unit - Screen, Scratch, Durability

[TylerLV76]

I know it may not be easy, but please keep the discussion civil. Thank you.

If there were ever a thread to let the natives be restless its gotta be this one. A 2 hour free pass would be a very kind gift from the mods.

 

[TylerLV76]

They should be charged if there's a law against what they did. But if there was no damage (not even cosmetic), then they didn't break the law that prohibits vandalism.

Attempt to commit a crime is a punishable offense in every state:

An attempted crime is one that wasn’t finished, which failed to achieve completion for one of two reasons:

The defendant did everything she set out to do, but failed. For example, she decides to shoot the victim, buys the gun, follows the victim, shoots, but misses. This is known as a “complete attempt,” or

The defendant does some of the acts needed to finish the crime, but is prevented from succeeding or decides to quit. For instance, the defendant takes the steps noted above but changes her mind at the last minute, or is prevented from continuing by the intervention of a police officer. This is known as an “incomplete” attempt.

What Hercules did was indeed a crime.

 

[Misterb]

How stupid. (and that's putting it lightly, because anything more than that will just get edited out, and my wrist slapped).

... But yet my S8+ screen scratched in two places just a couple weeks old, from being in my pocket with nothing else but apparently a grain of sand

 

[TylerLV76]

... nothing else but apparently a grain of sand

You need one of these.

 

[Piggy winks]

Bet you that you are a Millennial. Damn slackers.

 

[felloffthetruck]

Nice, thanks for you great work. Did you try the back glass because I believe the back cuts like butter?

And Yes, a video would be nice.

 

[LegalAmerican]

Doesn't the owner's manual say something about the screen being able to withstand damage from hands that can bench press up to 210? That was probably the issue here.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

They should be charged if there's a law against what they did. But if there was no damage (not even cosmetic), then they didn't break the law that prohibits vandalism.

Actually, attempted vandalism may also be punishable.

 

[Gary02468]

Actually, attempted vandalism may also be punishable.

Agreed; no one has disputed that. Still, attempted X is a less serious offense than X; and my point was that it's not good to accuse someone of a more serious offense than they actually committed.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Agreed; no one has disputed that. Still, attempted X is a less serious offense than X; and my point was that it's not good to accuse someone of a more serious offense than they actually committed.

Maybe, but OP still made a serious error in judgement.

 

[Gary02468]

Maybe, but OP still made a serious error in judgement.

Yup, not disputing that either. Just cautioning against responding with bad judgement in the opposite direction. : )

 

[TylerLV76]

Agreed; no one has disputed that. Still, attempted X is a less serious offense than X; and my point was that it's not good to accuse someone of a more serious offense than they actually committed.

Actually in a situation like this he could have been charged the same as if he would have damaged the phone. Attempted destruction of property carries the same penalty as destruction of property. Just because he failed doesn't change the intent.

 

[Gary02468]

Actually in a situation like this he could have been charged the same as if he would have damaged the phone.

This is way off-topic, but you're mistaken. Here's a summary of the actual law. Note: "vandalism is a crime that generally requires completion of the act".

Vandalism - FindLaw

Just because he failed doesn't change the intent.

Agreed; no one said it does. But it does change the legal status of his actions.

 

[TylerLV76]

This is way off-topic, but you're mistaken. Here's a summary of the actual law. Note: "vandalism is a crime that generally requires completion of the act".

Vandalism - FindLaw


Agreed; no one said it does.

That's the vandalism law. Now look up the law regarding "attempt". I posted it earlier. It can, in this case, carry the same penalty as the actual act.

Here, from the same site you quoted.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/attempt.html


Stating that he committed a crime, as others suggested earlier, is correct. He intended to do damage and therfore the intent carries criminal consequences.

 

[Gary02468]

That's the vandalism law. Now look up the law regarding "attempt".

Laws regarding attempted crimes vary not only from state to state, but also from crime to crime. Attempting to commit a particular crime is not itself a crime except where there's a specific law about attempting to commit that crime; what you posted earlier addresses such instances. The Findlaw article states that for vandalism--unlike some other crimes--you generally need completion of the act.

Stating that he committed a crime, as others suggested earlier, is correct..

I never expressed an opinion on whether he committed a crime. I simply don't know. He did not, however, commit the crime of vandalism (contrary to what was accused in one post here).

 

[TylerLV76]

Laws regarding attempted crimes vary not only from state to state, but also from crime to crime. Attempting to commit a particular crime is not itself a crime except where there's a specific law about attempting to commit that crime; what you posted earlier addresses such instances. The Findlaw article states that for vandalism--unlike some other crimes--you generally need completion of the act.

Had they caught him in the act he would have been charged with attempted destruction of property.

Attempt penalties vary from crime to crime but the attempt of a criminal act is still a criminal act. If someone attempts to spray paint my car the will be arrested for attempted destruction of property and criminal vandalism.

It's pretty common knowledge that what he did by intending to destroy a phone not owned by himself is indeed a criminal act. If you don't believe so, walk into a store with a lighter, knife or screwdriver and ask the manager to watch you as you attempt to ruin one of their products. When he asks you to leave tell him you have done nothing wrong. See where that leads.

Every state has an intent law regarding vandalism and destruction of property. Take Nevada for example. They have explicit laws regarding "intent to vandalize". You don't have to complete the act of attempting to commit vandalism to be charged with intent to vandalize. You just have to show intent.

 

[Aquila]

Maybe we can all agree on "just a bad person with rotten judgement and shallow thought processes".

 

[TylerLV76]

Maybe we can all agree on "just a bad person with rotten judgement and shallow thought processes".

Lol, probably a good idea.

But hey, he benches 205 so we should probably be real careful what we say.

 

[gvndeb60]

Worst part is OP sat back and got famous, and that is all OP wanted. Got front page and got people to argue.

 

[jacker]

What's funny is his perceived reaction he was hoping to get....

It's like dude.... Really...