I wish Samsung had the COURAGE to stop following Apple's BS (call it what it really is).

I never get sick about what an OEM does. The way I deal with OEMs is to not buy their product when I disagree their direction. I've done that with Motorola, LG and Google. Samsung may be next but not yet.
Agree, and I've done that before.
 
Take away non-essentials. Charge the same price. They get an increased profit margin.

I just watched a video review on the S21 first impressions and they mentioned a 50 Euro drop overseas and a $200 drop in the US. So it looks like there will be some price reduction. It also mentions what's new and what hasn't changed. Like with the S10 to S20 the changes are minor and indirectly makes the argument that if you have last year's device this year's isn't going to be a vast improvement or change.

If anyone is interested in that review... https://youtu.be/Wuk8AhWcQNY
 
2015 MacBook - USB-C. Also Bkackberry. I have multiple boxes of adapters or chargers, but now few if old USB-A type. Mate 9 used USB-C also. Even an excess of Surface dock chargers. Every length of Cat5e and above too.

I'd like to send my boxes of junk to a electronic goodwill store.

I've been using Apple USB-C to Lightning, and found an excellent adapter that can turn USB-C to Lightning. I will always keep an iphone around as spare and to authenticate with.

We're junkies. We collect junk!
 
Sammy over the past few years, is giving their customers LESS for MORE. One slight exemption... increasing the OS Updates to three years, from two.
 
...One slight exemption... increasing the OS Updates to three years, from two.

For me I wonder if this isn't an indication that the devices have gotten so much better, more than a perk, because it isn't all devices that get the 3 year promise. How many times in the past did one hear, that device's hardware can't support the new OS? The devices were evolving and changing a lot then, font facing cameras, more and more RAM, faster and faster processors, more frequency ranges, etc. So is it really a new promise or one that they just couldn't make or keep before? I also feel this feeds into the less for more thing. All of the manufacturers really do seem to be slowing down on what they can do or improve. I only came to Samsung with the S10 so I really don't know much about Samsung before that time. Since then however I keep hearing the same refrain from reviewers about Samsung's flagship devices, if you owned last year's model this year's isn't going to be much of an upgrade. Nearly all of the reviews I watched for the S20 said it was a great upgrade for S9 or older owners but not much of one for S10 owners. Now I'm hearing the same thing for the S21. Although unlike the S20, that was plagued with issues right out of the box, like in the video I posted above, there is mention of how several things have been "fixed", refined or changed, one way or another, in the latest device. For me, I don't really see that as an incentive because it's not a horrible device and the patches they have put out have done a lot for improving the issues for most. If there's not much new can you really justify the expense? I'm sure some could.
 
2015 MacBook - USB-C. Also Bkackberry. I have multiple boxes of adapters or chargers, but now few if old USB-A type. Mate 9 used USB-C also. Even an excess of Surface dock chargers. Every length of Cat5e and above too.

I'd like to send my boxes of junk to a electronic goodwill store.

I've been using Apple USB-C to Lightning, and found an excellent adapter that can turn USB-C to Lightning. I will always keep an iphone around as spare and to authenticate with.

We're junkies. We collect junk!

I have a lot of cables and accessories, too. It's hard to find alternate uses for them or to find a place to send them.
 
How many times in the past did one hear, that device's hardware can't support the new OS?
I think that was more that the SoC manufacturer was only updating the support packages for the hardware for 2 years, or possibly even less.
 
For me I wonder if this isn't an indication that the devices have gotten so much better, more than a perk, because it isn't all devices that get the 3 year promise. How many times in the past did one hear, that device's hardware can't support the new OS? The devices were evolving and changing a lot then, font facing cameras, more and more RAM, faster and faster processors, more frequency ranges, etc. So is it really a new promise or one that they just couldn't make or keep before? I also feel this feeds into the less for more thing. All of the manufacturers really do seem to be slowing down on what they can do or improve. I only came to Samsung with the S10 so I really don't know much about Samsung before that time. Since then however I keep hearing the same refrain from reviewers about Samsung's flagship devices, if you owned last year's model this year's isn't going to be much of an upgrade. Nearly all of the reviews I watched for the S20 said it was a great upgrade for S9 or older owners but not much of one for S10 owners. Now I'm hearing the same thing for the S21. Although unlike the S20, that was plagued with issues right out of the box, like in the video I posted above, there is mention of how several things have been "fixed", refined or changed, one way or another, in the latest device. For me, I don't really see that as an incentive because it's not a horrible device and the patches they have put out have done a lot for improving the issues for most. If there's not much new can you really justify the expense? I'm sure some could.

I agree... people are keeping their phones longer now than ever, that's an industry fact. There's not the compelling reasons to upgrade like their once was.... especially with the increasing prices of the flagships. But you'll always have a smaller group of techies like us, who will still upgrade, because we just enjoy phones, and don't mind paying for the privilege of having the latest cutting edge toy :p I like flagships, but I don't buy the latest... I usually pick a 1 to 2 year old flagship up brand new for a half to a third of the new price, then keep it for 2 1/2 to 3 years, then either sell it for a few bucks or give it to someone in need. I take extremely good care of my phones so they literally look and usually work pretty much like new.

That does bring me to a point of concern though..... when do you think the Android phone makers are going to start doing things like purposely putting in batteries with shorter lifespans, or other hardware designed to fail sooner, or even send out updates like Apple to purposely slow phones down, all in an attempt to force us to buy phones more often? Keeping our phones longer is good for us... not so much for the phone manufacturers :eek:
 
I think that was more that the SoC manufacturer was only updating the support packages for the hardware for 2 years, or possibly even less.

I'm still running a 2016 pixel 1 (because I haven't set my new 3XL up yet...yes I'm lazy like that :p ) and my 1 is running Android 10 just as smooth as the Android 7 it originally shipped with. And I know it would run 11 just as well for me... I'm not a heavy power user who keeps a ton of apps and games open in memory, but I've never had a problem with my usage which can be reasonably busy at times. I do think more recent hardware could run much newer Android versions than they get...... especially Samsung's super high spec cutting edge flagships, which could easily run 5 years of os and security updates like Apple, if Samsung really wanted to offer the premium support for their premium priced phones. If they did that I'd have no problem paying their flagship prices ;)
 
That does bring me to a point of concern though..... when do you think the Android phone makers are going to start doing things like purposely putting in batteries with shorter lifespans, or other hardware designed to fail sooner, or even send out updates like Apple to purposely slow phones down, all in an attempt to force us to buy phones more often? Keeping our phones longer is good for us... not so much for the phone manufacturers :eek:

It used to feel like that. For several phones I owned through Verizon when they were doing their "New every 2" plans it always seemed that literally right at the 2 year mark the device would slow down, the battery would start to drain at ridiculous rates and overall the device started acting buggy. The other crazy thing at that time was if you made it through that after around 2 months or so a lot of that would go away. Since the early 2000's I already felt like they were doing this, building phones to only last 2 years. Apple just got caught but I wouldn't be surprised others were doing similar stuff. Although now with Samsung's 3 OS promise on its high end devices I wouldn't be surprised to see that stretched out to 3 or even 4 years, IF something like that were occurring. ;)

Speaking of the lifespan of devices. I just saw a video in my YouTube suggestions, Should S20 FE owners buy the S21. I haven't watched it but that device only came out a handful of months ago and people are already talking about upgrading to the next device. Just seems odd.
 
I'm still running a 2016 pixel 1 (because I haven't set my new 3XL up yet...yes I'm lazy like that :p ) and my 1 is running Android 10 just as smooth as the Android 7 it originally shipped with. And I know it would run 11 just as well for me... I'm not a heavy power user who keeps a ton of apps and games open in memory, but I've never had a problem with my usage which can be reasonably busy at times. I do think more recent hardware could run much newer Android versions than they get...... especially Samsung's super high spec cutting edge flagships, which could easily run 5 years of os and security updates like Apple, if Samsung really wanted to offer the premium support for their premium priced phones. If they did that I'd have no problem paying their flagship prices ;)

Samsung used to be really good about this. Their phones used to have hot-swappable batteries!

I suspect they do something on the software side too: now even with a new battery from amazon, my note 4 is dead after just a couple hours of usage.

Lets be real: if the batteries didn't die and were easy to replace, most of us probably wouldn't upgrade every 3 years :-\
 
Recently my sister was forced to upgrade because of the poor battery on her iPhone 6S.
 
She did but still didn't last long. I guess it was just time to upgrade.
 
Apple and Samsung not including power bricks in their latest phones doesn't bother me at all.
 
I agree; the lack of chargers (and even if they're crappy, the earbuds) really irks me. I RARELy use earbuds, but it would be nice to have it if an emergency arises. The youtuber sakitech told how to get a free pair from Samsung. It really screws over people like me, who DON'T have a plethora of chargers.

And their excuse about protecting the environment is a real crock. Think of all that has to be done to make components for these phones and they're all going to go in a landfill someday. Most phones from 1900 can still be used today (if fixed up). I doubt the same will be true in 2100 of today's phones.

I completely agree with the points, but also keep in mind how much less electronics cost (in real dollars) than in times past. 1940; a mid-range Zenith family radio console cost $100 1940 dollars. An el cheapo catalin radio cost $20. A professional 16" turntable cost $1,000. It cost $90 to make a professional grade recording of a 30 minute show. Plug in the inflation calendar; those are BIG bucks. However, said Zenith console was a thing of beauty, and if restored, works very well. The turntable was built like a tank, and if restored, works reasonably well. A phone from 1915 can still be used today. Even the el cheapo ones were built like tanks.
 
Samsung is not what it used to be. The statements of why they have removed everything from their phones is BS. They are only doing it because Apple did it and got away with it. Remove the 3.5 mm jack? K fine that sucks but its becoming extinct anyways. Remove SD card slot? Alright fine. But not including the power brick and still on top of all that charging almost upwards of almost 1000-1300 for phones? I dont care what anyone says, thats garbage. Sure you can use an old charger, but if your device that the cable is from is super old, you arent going to be able to 25 watt fast charge your new phone.

I just ordered the LG V60 and say what you will about LG mobile, but they have kept all these things in their devices including the charger AND are hundreds of dollars less. How much money are you really gonna save by not putting a headphone jack and memory card?

If they are really "doing this for the environment," then stop including the ******* stupid books in and papers in there. Nobody reads that crap.
 
Samsung is not what it used to be. The statements of why they have removed everything from their phones is BS. They are only doing it because Apple did it and got away with it. Remove the 3.5 mm jack? K fine that sucks but its becoming extinct anyways. Remove SD card slot? Alright fine. But not including the power brick and still on top of all that charging almost upwards of almost 1000-1300 for phones? I dont care what anyone says, thats garbage. Sure you can use an old charger, but if your device that the cable is from is super old, you arent going to be able to 25 watt fast charge your new phone.

I just ordered the LG V60 and say what you will about LG mobile, but they have kept all these things in their devices including the charger AND are hundreds of dollars less. How much money are you really gonna save by not putting a headphone jack and memory card?

If they are really "doing this for the environment," then stop including the ******* stupid books in and papers in there. Nobody reads that crap.

Its all about the Benjamin's :eek:
 

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