Is the OnePlus 3 the new Moto X?

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3 years ago I loved the Moto X 2013 and most of the community did not. It had a weaker screen and processor than some competitors, didn't have boom sound, was my first phone without a removable battery - it was, on paper, not the best. But it brought a "work smarter, not harder" mentality to the industry that had frankly been missing from everything but the nexus line, which was doing a horrible job of selling that philosophy and wasn't available on Verizon anyways, so moot point. The X 2013 wasn't cheaper at first, it price dropped later - the X 2014 and MXPE both were cheaper than other flagships by no small amount.

This year the OP3 makes a STRONG argument that paying $700 or more for a phone isn't necessary when you get get damn near the same level of performance out of something that's $500 or less - or in this case, $399. Does it have the same level of polish on every front as the S7 E? No, but who cares? I really don't like Samsung anyways. Realistically, I wasn't going to buy the S7 E - because despite it having top end everything inside it, and this being the first year where execution on experience is up there with some of the competition - it's still just not me and the devices I like have never been top of the line everything - they've always been more focused.

The OnePlus 3 makes far fewer compromises than the Moto X 2013 did and does it at a lower price tag.

GSMArena said in their review, "Overall, the OnePlus 3 is best described by pragmatic choices". I don't know if they said the same thing about Moto 3 years ago, they probably didn't because most reviewers hated it without ever trying to understand some of the choices (like the X8 computing system rather than the full S600 that almost every blog mislabled as an S4) - but they easily could have said that. Moto did some things that were intentional and they knew they were going to get criticism on some of those choices but they pushed on anyways because some of those choices were the right thing to do. 720P on a 4.7" device was the right call - using a terribad display was not. For OP3 using a 1080P on a 5.5" device isn't that controversial, it's probably the right call for the right reasons - but it's using a BAD display that's not ok. Word on the street is they're trying to fix that, so we'll see. Either way, both companies trying to push back on the industry being overall too ... shiny obsessed and making some very smart choices along those lines with some stumbling blocks along the way.

Is the OP3 the new Moto X? I'm not sure, but that's the closest I can get to it right now - although I will say this. If they learn from the two biggest stumbling blocks of this year (Dash Charge and Diamond Pentile display calibrated poorly), the rest of what they're doing already looks good and their on a track to have a similar undying fanbase that Moto started garnering over the last few years.

Don't try to sell me some nonsense about it being better at this and that than what Samsung does - let it stand for what it's doing right. Work smarter, not harder. If we miss that point, we're doing the OP3 a disservice.

OnePlus - if you sell out to Lenovo, I'm coming for you. Otherwise, learn from what went wrong this year and fix it next year and the OnePlus 4 is shaping up to be a leader.
 
OnePlus - if you sell out to Lenovo, I'm coming for you. Otherwise, learn from what went wrong this year and fix it next year and the OnePlus 4 is shaping up to be a leader.

I don't think I could have said it better myself. To be fair, OP has stumbled in their history...every OEM has. Samsung, HTC, Moto. Every company has made mistakes. The real question, like in chess, is how quickly can you recover from said mistake?
 
Solid hardware with a somewhat boring design, as good as other flagships without really doing much to stand out or excel, main feature is the incredibly compelling price, seriously dubious history with updates...

You're right, it DOES sound like it could be an old school moto haha!

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OnePlus - if you sell out to Lenovo, I'm coming for you. Otherwise, learn from what went wrong this year and fix it next year and the OnePlus 4 is shaping up to be a leader.

What does Lenovo have to do with anything? OnePlus a brand under Oppo, which is related to a third phone maker Vivo. All three are subsidiaries of Chinese mega company BBK Electronics, which is decades old.

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What does Lenovo have to do with anything? OnePlus a brand under Oppo, which is related to a third phone maker Vivo. All three are subsidiaries of Chinese mega company BBK Electronics, which is decades old.

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The Lenovo buy did very bad things to Moto that I'm still barely hoping they turn around. If OnePlus is acting as a new moto-esque device line, having a major shakeup that hurts users won't go well for them. Korean or Chinese or Taiwanese isn't the issue, it's just difficult to do a transition like that and to recover quickly without falling apart on things like updates and customer service.
 
The Lenovo buy did very bad things to Moto that I'm still barely hoping they turn around. If OnePlus is acting as a new moto-esque device line, having a major shakeup that hurts users won't go well for them. Korean or Chinese or Taiwanese isn't the issue, it's just difficult to do a transition like that and to recover quickly without falling apart on things like updates and customer service.

The major shakeup would just be BBK closes up OnePlus. BBK is also starting a fourth "education-focused" phone brand called imoo.

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What does Lenovo have to do with anything? OnePlus a brand under Oppo, which is related to a third phone maker Vivo. All three are subsidiaries of Chinese mega company BBK Electronics, which is decades old.

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To be fair, Motorola and Google are both huge companies, no one really saw Motorola mobility being sold until it happened, although Google's sale of moto was easy to see coming given that they mainly just wanted the parent library.

They probably won't anytime soon, but there's nothing to stop Oppo from selling OnePlus if someone makes them a compelling offer or they just don't want to run the brand anymore.

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To be fair, Motorola and Google are both huge companies, no one really saw Motorola mobility being sold until it happened, although Google's sale of moto was easy to see coming given that they mainly just wanted the parent library.

They probably won't anytime soon, but there's nothing to stop Oppo from selling OnePlus if someone makes them a compelling offer or they just don't want to run the brand anymore.

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And if they do that, I hope the sale goes smoother because the Moto sale was very shaky from the user perspective. Moto may already be near ready to be back on track, but time to start firing on all cylinders, not just new devices. I think the Z is interesting but definitely not what I was expecting prior to Hap's notes.

Oneplus is in a potentially good place and I don't want to see it thrown away, all I'm saying with the don't sell to Lenovo comment.
 
To be fair, Motorola and Google are both huge companies, no one really saw Motorola mobility being sold until it happened, although Google's sale of moto was easy to see coming given that they mainly just wanted the parent library.

They probably won't anytime soon, but there's nothing to stop Oppo from selling OnePlus if someone makes them a compelling offer or they just don't want to run the brand anymore.

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While Google owning Motorola Mobility was a good thing, it was a clear conflict of interest and if I ran Samsung's or LG's or any other Android smartphone maker, I'd raise concerns.

Patent library is an oversimplification though. Google essentially kept Motorola Mobility's "skunkworks" divisions like Ara, VR/Spotlight Stories group, and other ATAP groups like the team that came up with the password-free login Trust API stuff.

Either way, with OnePlus already being one of three (with a fourth in the works) smartphone brands under BBK, and OnePlus not having the brand recognition the Motorola name has, I doubt we'll see a situation where OnePlus would be "rescued" away from BBK.

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It is a bit of an over simplification, but it's functional.

I'm certainly not saying OnePlus will be sold, it's unlikely and they're certainly not as enticing as Motorola mobility were, just that it's possible, and only one good offer away.

@Assassin Droid

The moto Z is certainly an interesting device, and it's an amusing coincidence that they include swappable backs the same year OnePlus drops them (i know they've had them on other devices, but I believe this is the first time in their top tier device)!

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As I happen to be upgrading to the OP3 from my 3 year old Moto X 2013 I think Assassin Droid's analogy is pretty accurate. Before deciding on the OP3 I looked at the upcoming Moto Z. But the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jack and the estimated $500+ price was a deal-breaker for me.
 
Honestly, I find it a little silly to be comparing the OP3 to a top-tier flagship like a Galaxy S7 or HTC 10.

Yes, the OnePlus 3 has identical hardware to those 2, but remember that the OP3 is $399 while the S7 and H10 are much more expensive than that. Obviously, the OP3's raw hardware and performance will be very competitive to those, but remember that it's a much cheaper phone, so you have to expect a few compromises.

That said, especially for the price, it's a damn good phone. $399 will net you a device with very high-end hardware and a pretty stock-Android-ish software experience but can also be easily swapped out for something custom if you're into that. Sure, we have to live with some compromises like rather noisy low-light pictures at times or a pretty-inaccurate OLED panel based on analyses on default settings, but honestly, I find them to be rather logical compromises because they don't really break the phone to me and I know that people who have one are going to be in for a bit of a treat.
 
Honestly, I find it a little silly to be comparing the OP3 to a top-tier flagship like a Galaxy S7 or HTC 10.

Yes, the OnePlus 3 has identical hardware to those 2, but remember that the OP3 is $399 while the S7 and H10 are much more expensive than that. Obviously, the OP3's raw hardware and performance will be very competitive to those, but remember that it's a much cheaper phone, so you have to expect a few compromises.

That said, especially for the price, it's a damn good phone. $399 will net you a device with very high-end hardware and a pretty stock-Android-ish software experience but can also be easily swapped out for something custom if you're into that. Sure, we have to live with some compromises like rather noisy low-light pictures at times or a pretty-inaccurate OLED panel based on analyses on default settings, but honestly, I find them to be rather logical compromises because they don't really break the phone to me and I know that people who have one are going to be in for a bit of a treat.

People will always find a way to nitpick.
 
I get where the comparison to the legacy of the Moto X is coming from, but I don't think that it's as simple as this.

The OnePlus 3 is a really great phone. It also happens to be a really affordable phone. Those two things were certainly true of the first Moto X models (and even the 2015, you could say), but the OnePlus 3 has a much different goal and achieves its "great" status in a different way.

The Moto X series aimed at doing more with less hardware, cutting back in some superfluous areas in order to make the overall experience better, and in the end taking a holistically different approach to making a phone than "throw everything into a 'superphone' and put as many features here as possible". The end result was a phone that was greater than the sum of its parts, that in many people's eyes was a better experience overall. The Moto X had features that other phones didn't, and it could offer them because it cut back in other areas.

The OnePlus 3 does things differently. Aside from the 1080p resolution on the display, you can't really say that it's missing specs that other flagships have ... in fact, it in some areas (RAM, storage, USB-C, etc.) has more specs than what high-end flagship phones have. What the OnePlus 3 doesn't have is some stand-out features or altogether new things that you can't get elsewhere. Where the OnePlus 3 pulls ahead is that it does basic smartphone things really well, and it does them for 25-50% less than the competition. It's a great phone, but it's not category-defining or leading the way in innovations int he smartphone world.

As I summarized in my review:

"It isn't going to wow you with oodles of new features or headline-grabbing, never-before-seen experiences — it's just a downright great smartphone, and that's precisely what most people are looking for."

That's the difference between the Moto X and the OnePlus 3. Now, if the Moto X ends up coming out with a very high price (as I expect) and more directly competes with the likes of the Galaxy S7, LG G5 and HTC 10, the OnePlus 3 may take over the "old" Moto X spot by default ... but that doesn't mean it's doing things the same way.
 
I was looking at it from the 'practical choices' perspective, both having a lot more intentionality than their competition - yes, I get their different, but the OP3 reminds me of that, although it's hard to argue that they pushed more of the spec sheet than the first two moto x devices did.
 
I'm coming from a 2013 Moto X. I've never used a OnePlus device but when I started researching the features, customisation options, etc I definitely picked up a Moto X-ish vibe. The OP3 may look pretty and have top rate internals, but I get the feeling it'll be a phone "for the people", and I'm really looking forward to trying it out.
 
I'm coming from a 2013 Moto X. I've never used a OnePlus device but when I started researching the features, customisation options, etc I definitely picked up a Moto X-ish vibe. The OP3 may look pretty and have top rate internals, but I get the feeling it'll be a phone "for the people", and I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

Thanks, you said it better than I did :) But I used way more words so...
 

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