Is this your last Samsung device for the foreseeable future?

[SyCoREAPER]

I have no idea if it was just me and my devices,but my experiences have been that the only devices I've owned that had batteries fail whilst I used those devices for two years were devices with replaceable batteries. The devices that had batteries that could not be replaced (OG Moto X, Nexus 7, Samsung S10+, Samsung S22 Ultra) lasted during the time I owned them. The devices that had batteries fail within less than two years were the ones with replaceable batteries (Blackberry 9000 and LG V20). Based on my experience, I prefer a non- replaceable battery that lasts two years over a replaceable battery that needs to be replaced sooner.

However it needs to be said those were early smartphones and both the tech and batteries have come a long way since. LG's were notorious toaster ovens even with light use.

Not dismissing or invalidating your experience, it is after all your experience but wanted to add some possible, perhaps overlooked outside perspective.

 

[Laura Knotek]

However it needs to be said those were early smartphones and both the tech and batteries have come a long way since. LG's were notorious toaster ovens even with light use.

Not dismissing or invalidating your experience, it is after all your experience but wanted to add some possible, perhaps overlooked outside perspective.

It's interesting because the Moto X was older than the LG V20. I would be interested in more information regarding replaceable batteries on newer devices, but there really aren't any flagship devices with replaceable batteries. Only the cheapest, most basic devices currently have replaceable batteries. I guess we'll find out once the new European devices are introduced. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other factors that are different between devices sold in the USA and in the EU besides batteries (like Exynos processors or something else).

 

[mustang7757]

It may not anymore but I promise you that it did, or at least mine did. Something must have come out in an update because like I mentioned I haven't noticed it in long enough that I forgot about it happening.


While I've never understood Samsung and Exynos, maybe it saves them a little, maybe they are trying to develop an eventually marketable product, IDK, but with all of the feedback they keep trying. Well except for that one year when everyone got Snapdragon. Anyway, if you want a clue what they are going to do just look at Apple. Are they putting out replaceable batteries only in the EU? I've only seen one video that talked about it and that was at JerryRigEverything, and I do not remember him saying anything about it being an EU model. Samsung while they claim to be unique, seem to fall in lock step with Apple for a lot of things. Just saying.

Samsung would love to put their Exynos chip in every device and they do for the most part but not the US because of the bands here Qualcomm is holding patent agreements.

 

[tube517]

I have a Samsung watch 6, Flip 5, and Samsung Galaxy Buds 2. I don't anticipate buying any Samsungs for a while. I also have a Pixel 9 Pro XL so that may last a while. If the future watches come with more health monitors, I will have to research more and see if worthwhile.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

It's interesting because the Moto X was older than the LG V20. I would be interested in more information regarding replaceable batteries on newer devices, but there really aren't any flagship devices with replaceable batteries. Only the cheapest, most basic devices currently have replaceable batteries. I guess we'll find out once the new European devices are introduced. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other factors that are different between devices sold in the USA and in the EU besides batteries (like Exynos processors or something else).

Most definitely will give them an excuse to put Exynos in European phones since they will likely make US+CA keep non-replaceable ones. So it will offset the cost of having to make two variations anyway. That aside I would be interested too what that will look like in terms of performance in a non-entry level phone along with the side-effedt of water ingress protection needing to be added or dropping the IP rating to something lower instead.

Samsung would love to put their Exynos chip in every device and they do for the most part but not the US because of the bands here Qualcomm is holding patent agreements.

Absolutely true. Qualcomm (fortunately/unfortunately) has a patent monopoly with Samsung which keeps us from getting Exynos but also comparatively keeps the price higher.

I think Laura meant though what that will look like for the EU market with (as mentioned above) Samsung taking that opportunity to force Exynos as a tradeoff. Or I completely missed her point and I'm a <- that's a lame lollipop, I wanted s sucker emoji like in old Looney Tunes.

 

[mustang7757]

Most definitely will give them an excuse to put Exynos in European phones since they will likely make US+CA keep non-replaceable ones. So it will offset the cost of having to make two variations anyway. That aside I would be interested too what that will look like in terms of performance in a non-entry level phone along with the side-effedt of water ingress protection needing to be added or dropping the IP rating to something lower instead.

Absolutely true. Qualcomm (fortunately/unfortunately) has a patent monopoly with Samsung which keeps us from getting Exynos but also comparatively keeps the price higher.

I think Laura meant though what that will look like for the EU market with (as mentioned above) Samsung taking that opportunity to force Exynos as a tradeoff. Or I completely missed her point and I'm a QUOTE]



I quoted Vidjunky

 

[Laura Knotek]

Most definitely will give them an excuse to put Exynos in European phones since they will likely make US+CA keep non-replaceable ones. So it will offset the cost of having to make two variations anyway. That aside I would be interested too what that will look like in terms of performance in a non-entry level phone along with the side-effedt of water ingress protection needing to be added or dropping the IP rating to something lower instead.

Absolutely true. Qualcomm (fortunately/unfortunately) has a patent monopoly with Samsung which keeps us from getting Exynos but also comparatively keeps the price higher.

I think Laura meant though what that will look like for the EU market with (as mentioned above) Samsung taking that opportunity to force Exynos as a tradeoff. Or I completely missed her point and I'm a QUOTE]

Yes, you understood what I said.

I hadn't thought of water and dust ingress, but that is an excellent consideration. I'd prefer non-replaceable batteries if replaceable batteries meant loss of the IP68 rating.

 

[VidJunky]

... That aside I would be interested too what that will look like in terms of performance in a non-entry level phone along with the side-effedt of water ingress protection needing to be added or dropping the IP rating to something lower instead.

If they incorporate the changeable/removable battery the way Apple did I wouldn't expect the OEM IP rating to be affected. In JerryRigEverything's video the device was still sealed and to make the battery changeable they added pull tabs to release the battery's adhesive. Which is why I think they might just give it to everyone. The device is still sealed the same, has the same initial IP, uses the same battery and battery connectors, only the adhesive holding the battery changed from gorilla glue to 3M pull tabs.
( just an exaggeration for fun) I would imagine that just like now, opening the phone voids the IP rating.

As far as performance, wasn't it this year's S24 Exynos edition that clocked better benchmark scores than the Snapdragon but still got hot and still had battery life issues? If not the S24 than the S23 but either way we rarely hear much about it after launch and the initial reviews/comparisons. It feels like a trade off and honestly give me the cooler device with better battery life because I'm never going to notice the process speed at the speeds of these devices. Not many causal users can even tell the difference between 60 and 120 hertz frame rates. Just saying.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

I don't think the EUs idea of replaceable battery is adding pull tabs (though I could be wrong). I think they mean actually, easily user replaceable. Not clueless people trying to cut through rear panel adhesive and slicing their fingers off just to get to "user friendly pull tabs for easy battery replacement".

 

[VidJunky]

Looking at some of the posts online about what the EU thing says many of them just say user replaceable with some adding "easily" user replaceable and then I guess it comes down to what's easy I guess.

I found this video and other like it about the iPhone 16 line.

And this is the video of the iPhone teardown featuring the pull tabs with mention of the EU requirement.

They obviously have until 2027 so it's a given that things will change before then but maybe they're floating these ideas as compromises. Since I don't really have a stake in it IDGFig newton how they do it but would like to say is rather have a higher IP rated device until repair was needed, offering at least some protection, than an easily fixable device with little to no protection. 2027 is a while away so we'll see how it pans out and who'll be first.