Everyone relax and please try to not jump on each other. Don't want this turning ugly. Thank you.
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Just played with a friend's zoom
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There's no point arguing about "lag" which is obviously subjective.
Are you saying it lags compared to current android devices or compared to iOS devices?We all know iOS devices run very smooth compared to other OSs but with certain limitations.
Are you saying it lags compared to current android devices or compared to iOS devices?We all know iOS devices run very smooth compared to other OSs but with certain limitations.
I don't believe anyone who says they don't have lag unless they are running it exactly how it came out of the box
The scrollable widgets definetly lag, esp when going from horizontal to vertical. It also lags when swiping screens after a long sleep time.
The horizontal and vertical rotation is not as instantaneous as my Ipad 2 (yes i have both)....why oh why can't google fix that?
I still prefer to carry the xoom when leaving the house for a full browser experience
The scrollable widgets definetly lag, esp when going from horizontal to vertical. It also lags when swiping screens after a long sleep time.
The horizontal and vertical rotation is not as instantaneous as my Ipad 2 (yes i have both)....why oh why can't google fix that?
I still prefer to carry the xoom when leaving the house for a full browser experience
Well... again... some of us don't have a lag when we swipe. Nothing. Nada. Nichts. That's why I went spent the time to explain exactly my family's experience with three XOOMs.
Please stop thinking the lag you have is on all XOOMs and you have to live with it. You can probably fix it. You might have to turn it off at night and/or experiment with your mix of apps/widgets.
Finally! Someone offering a specific description of a lag. The scrollable widgets take longer to appear than the rest of the home page when turning the screen. Yes, all three of the XOOMs we have exhibit this lag. I never noticed that before. So that doesn't happen to the scrollable widgets on an iPad? Doh! Never mind.
C'mon guys. Really? Seriously? Is this the type of lag you guys are talking about? iPad doesn't even have scrollable widgets!
But OK. You legitimately found a "lag".
This is not a "lag". It's obvious the time to flip is intentionally programmed that way. Apps use the orientation in real time flawlessly, so it's not a "time to recognize" problem.
Think about how the action should be, not how Apple does it. There is no benefit to flipping fast. There is, however, a more solid feel to a slower flip. When I'm in a plane leaning over to get something quickly, I right myself and the unit has behaved like a newspaper or some other static/comfortable thing in my lap... not flipping all over the place. Flipping all over the place isn't an inconvenience, but the XOOM screen flip speed is more appropriate for the typical speed of the human interface/handling, IMHO.
It doesn't need a "fix". You might not like the way they made it. IMHO, that probably has more to do with a comparison against the iPad than any real inconvenience anyone experiences with the screen flip. If it were the other way around, I'm sure everyone would be complaining Motorola's screen flips too fast. I know I would. ;-)
Finally! Someone offering a specific description of a lag. The scrollable widgets take longer to appear than the rest of the home page when turning the screen. Yes, all three of the XOOMs we have exhibit this lag. I never noticed that before. So that doesn't happen to the scrollable widgets on an iPad? Doh! Never mind.
C'mon guys. Really? Seriously? Is this the type of lag you guys are talking about? iPad doesn't even have scrollable widgets!
But OK. You legitimately found a "lag".
This is not a "lag". It's obvious the time to flip is intentionally programmed that way. Apps use the orientation in real time flawlessly, so it's not a "time to recognize" problem.
Think about how the action should be, not how Apple does it. There is no benefit to flipping fast. There is, however, a more solid feel to a slower flip. When I'm in a plane leaning over to get something quickly, I right myself and the unit has behaved like a newspaper or some other static/comfortable thing in my lap... not flipping all over the place. Flipping all over the place isn't an inconvenience, but the XOOM screen flip speed is more appropriate for the typical speed of the human interface/handling, IMHO.
It doesn't need a "fix". You might not like the way they made it. IMHO, that probably has more to do with a comparison against the iPad than any real inconvenience anyone experiences with the screen flip. If it were the other way around, I'm sure everyone would be complaining Motorola's screen flips too fast. I know I would. ;-)
I'm not an apple fanboy, but the Ipad 2 definitely has a quicker feel to it....try taking it out of sleep mode and swiping all 5 screens....try that on an ipad and you can do it in half the time
Again, if this is the case, then you will have to compare it the Android's "App drawer". Because lets be honest, the 5-10 screens of an iPad is a "App drawer" if you want to compare it apples to apples, er...
If you agree (app drawer = ipad home screen) then I'm pretty sure the xoom can do it in half the time also, or even faster.
I think what some are referring to is the frame rates of the screen transitions.
I definitely feel no lag the moment my finger touches the screen to the point it leaves the screen after swiping, the screen will follow it almost immediately though not as instantaneous as an Ipad2. But it is quick enough.
Now I suppose it's the fluidity of the transition effects that disappoints some folk here. The fading in and out of the app drawer to the home screen kinda stutters a bit and you can almost count the frames per second. Almost.
But let's be practical, we are talking about animated widgets in the background on Android versus static icons on iOS. Duh, it's a no brainer which one requires more processing power. Especially when one needs to render multiple layers of graphics at once.
Take for instance when you swipe the honeycomb homescreen exactly when the market widget is just flipping to the next app preview at the same time. That's like 2 transitions happening at the same time. You need some horsepower to run that.
So what we need to know is if the honeycomb code is optimized to use the Tegra 2 to perform such animations and whether the processor is actually powerful enough to hardware accelerate such commands? And let's not go into live wallpapers.
People are tricked into believing the iOS is smooth and fluid only because there's nothing much for the hardware to render. And without real multitasking in the background leaves the processor more cycles to run the "eye candy" - transition effects and bouncing. But yeah I have to admit Apple got it right there.
A better and fairer comparison would be to remove all widgets from the honeycomb homescreen and just put in static app icons. Then swipe and see if there's more noticeable "lag" compared to the ipad 2.
I definitely feel no lag the moment my finger touches the screen to the point it leaves the screen after swiping, the screen will follow it almost immediately though not as instantaneous as an Ipad2. But it is quick enough.
Now I suppose it's the fluidity of the transition effects that disappoints some folk here. The fading in and out of the app drawer to the home screen kinda stutters a bit and you can almost count the frames per second. Almost.
But let's be practical, we are talking about animated widgets in the background on Android versus static icons on iOS. Duh, it's a no brainer which one requires more processing power. Especially when one needs to render multiple layers of graphics at once.
Take for instance when you swipe the honeycomb homescreen exactly when the market widget is just flipping to the next app preview at the same time. That's like 2 transitions happening at the same time. You need some horsepower to run that.
So what we need to know is if the honeycomb code is optimized to use the Tegra 2 to perform such animations and whether the processor is actually powerful enough to hardware accelerate such commands? And let's not go into live wallpapers.
People are tricked into believing the iOS is smooth and fluid only because there's nothing much for the hardware to render. And without real multitasking in the background leaves the processor more cycles to run the "eye candy" - transition effects and bouncing. But yeah I have to admit Apple got it right there.
A better and fairer comparison would be to remove all widgets from the honeycomb homescreen and just put in static app icons. Then swipe and see if there's more noticeable "lag" compared to the ipad 2.
Seriously let me clear up some things.
People use the iPad and they see the scrolling and it has inertia, they then use a Xoom and it has some inertia, but not as much making it a more sudden stop and people assume this is some how lag or a stutter when all it is that the animation is programmed like that.
That leads us to the superiority of the Xoom, sooner rather than later we will be able to change that with probably Launcher Pro coming out for the Xoom.
People use the iPad and they see the scrolling and it has inertia, they then use a Xoom and it has some inertia, but not as much making it a more sudden stop and people assume this is some how lag or a stutter when all it is that the animation is programmed like that.
That leads us to the superiority of the Xoom, sooner rather than later we will be able to change that with probably Launcher Pro coming out for the Xoom.
Someone post a video or I will tonight. I flipped back and forth all screens and scrolled all widgets and no lag. Opened apps and the drawer no lag. Some might have a different experience but I show no lag.
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This would be a fair comparison. I am always running live wallpapers and many widgets on every home screen. If I switched to a static wallpaper, only put app shortcuts on the homescreens and disabled most multitasking I am betting the Xoom's responsiveness would improve dramatically in certain situations.
Personally, I prefer to customize the device to my liking and do whatever I want with it. A little loss of responsiveness here and there is a small price to pay IMHO.
Yes! Please do. Clearly, the people experiencing lag can't accept that some of us experience little to no lag. (Had to add "little to no" in there because for the rotating scrollable widgets thing.)
My phone lags more that my XOOM. I turn the XOOM off every night so its a fresh boot each day when I use it. I never understood the need to keep a computer or tablet on for days. The XOOM boots in like 30 seconds.
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exactly...so you have a fresh restart, hence no lag....try leaving it on for a few days....
this is a tablet, not a PC...it shoulnd't have to be restartred every night....it is "instant on"
Like I said, I hate Apple, but the ipad doesn't slow down if you don't restart it after a while...
I find myself having to reboot my xoom because the wifi will stop working, email won't connect to exchange, etc
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect different results. ;-) So now you know the XOOM needs to be turned off. Just turn it off and you won't have all those annoying things happen to you. Maybe try leaving it on again after our next OTA update. See if they fixed anything in that regard.
IMHO, any open platform will never be as stable as a tightly controlled closed platform. The variables that come into play with an open platform are magnitudes greater. You've got the opportunity for apps to commandeer memory and other resources (and never let go, even when stopped) that you just don't have in a tightly controlled closed environment. It's the price we pay for being open. And that price is well worth it.
In an open system, it's the responsibility of the user to monitor what they load and how it affects system performance. This is what many of us did as we gathered the tools we wanted/needed in our XOOMs. Apps were added one at a time and their impact was evaluated. Some worked really well. Some were flaky, even though they may have worked rock solid on a phone. The flaky ones got replaced with equivalents that weren't flaky. Result for many of us: No lag.
My attitude and methods are probably the result of being an electrical design engineer for the past three decades, watching this industry grow from nothing and living through all the crap. That's why I'm all "WTF?!" when people complain their active graphics icon takes a few extra milliseconds to render after the screen flips and implies it's a bug. Every time I turn on my XOOM, or my phone for that matter, I take a moment to marvel at how far we've come. It's incredible.
OK, so what all these supposed lag arguements boil down to is:
Xoom Homescreens: most say no lag a few have slight
IPad Homescreens: 100% lag. No matter how I swipe, I just can't get my Ipad to switch homescreens at all... doesn't have any, but if it did it would probably be better than Xoom, just because, you know, it's Apple.
Xoom Scrollable Widges: Slight lag when you change orientation
IPad Scrollable Widgets: 100% lag. Nope, they won't scroll, in fact they don't even show up on my homescreen, because neither exist. But, I guess IPad users just know in their hearts that no Apple device would have lagging widgets on the homescreen... if they had them of course.
Xoom App Drawer: No lag
IPad App Drawer: No lag (Hey, it actually has this one to compare.)
Xoom memory refresh: Like any computer, it may need to be restarted once in awhile to keep it in top shape because it has all that stuff to keep running, like homescreens, widgets, backgrounds, individualization, mutitasking, apps that have not been vetted and approved NOT to cause lagging that users can CHOOSE to download and run... You know, that stuff Apple says you don't need and are too stupid to handle.
IPad memory refresh: Doesn't need one apparently, not surprising seeing as it isn't doing much most of the time. Just sitting around with its drawers down, waiting to open an app specifically designed not to challenge it.
So tell me again why IPad's lack of lag is so superior to Xoom?
Xoom Homescreens: most say no lag a few have slight
IPad Homescreens: 100% lag. No matter how I swipe, I just can't get my Ipad to switch homescreens at all... doesn't have any, but if it did it would probably be better than Xoom, just because, you know, it's Apple.
Xoom Scrollable Widges: Slight lag when you change orientation
IPad Scrollable Widgets: 100% lag. Nope, they won't scroll, in fact they don't even show up on my homescreen, because neither exist. But, I guess IPad users just know in their hearts that no Apple device would have lagging widgets on the homescreen... if they had them of course.
Xoom App Drawer: No lag
IPad App Drawer: No lag (Hey, it actually has this one to compare.)
Xoom memory refresh: Like any computer, it may need to be restarted once in awhile to keep it in top shape because it has all that stuff to keep running, like homescreens, widgets, backgrounds, individualization, mutitasking, apps that have not been vetted and approved NOT to cause lagging that users can CHOOSE to download and run... You know, that stuff Apple says you don't need and are too stupid to handle.
IPad memory refresh: Doesn't need one apparently, not surprising seeing as it isn't doing much most of the time. Just sitting around with its drawers down, waiting to open an app specifically designed not to challenge it.
So tell me again why IPad's lack of lag is so superior to Xoom?
iPads and Xoom are like any computer, the memory needs to be cleared after a lot of usage.
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