LG G4 RAW Images

[starbuck88]

Hi,

I may be being thick here, or not, I hope you can help.

When I take a picture in RAW format, when I look through the gallery, an extra icon appears that says DNG.

However, if I upload this image to dropbox/transfer to PC the file format is JPEG?

Should the file format be DNG?

If so am I doing something wrong? The file sizes are very similar too, I thought RAW images take up lots more space?

Thank You

 

[Tadrift]

I think by default most cloud services are going to convert the pictures to JPEG to save space.

Yes, DNG is RAW. It is Adobes version of RAW.

I would take a look around Drop Box's help or settings to see what file formats they allow. Also, the RAW files are normally done so that you can make changes and then compress them to another format, which in general is done by professionals or serious photographers, so it is not normally a format people are going to want to store on the cloud.

If Drop Box allows the storage of DNG files, I "believe" that when LG takes the picture is stores it in both a JPG AND a DNG, so the LG phone might be doing it because of some default setting. Check that as well.

Hope this helps

 

[anon(782252)]

I don't use Dropbox by default anymore but i was able to upload a DNG file to it just fine and the file size is 19mb. I was also able to download it to my Surface 3 and maintain the file size and DNG extension.

Are you manually uploading the DNG file?

 

[iresq]

The files should not be the same size. Raw files are almost 20 mb where the JPG should be around 5 mp. I can't speak to dropbox but Google drive will transfer dng files. I would be surprised if dropbox automatically reads a dng file and compresses it to JPG.

With that said, understand what raw is. Raw is just the basic data picked up by the sensor. In fact ALL digital cameras capture the image in a raw format. LG uses Adobe's. Having access to this data is something that is new to smartphones. It's the phone's software that processes the images and compresses them to JPG. That's why 2 different makes of cell phones using the same camera sensor can have such dramatically different picture quality. In order to get a photograph from raw YOU have to process it with appropriate software.

I almost always shoot with my dslrs' in raw. Part of my photo workflow involves culling and processing images in Lightroom to be later processed in either Lightroom or Photoshop. This is time consuming. On my G4, however, I typically just shoot in JPG. Why? The biggest reason is that the G4 software does a great job in creating the JPG. That's the magic sauce that makes the G4 camera so good. Just point and shoot. Unless you are serious about the processing part of photography, I'd stick with JPG. If you want to dramatically increase the quality of your photos, invest your time in learning proper composition.

 

[anon(782252)]

Hi,

I may be being thick here, or not, I hope you can help.

When I take a picture in RAW format, when I look through the gallery, an extra icon appears that says DNG.

However, if I upload this image to dropbox/transfer to PC the file format is JPEG?

Should the file format be DNG?

If so am I doing something wrong? The file sizes are very similar too, I thought RAW images take up lots more space?

Thank You

Also, if you are selecting the photo from the gallery, it will only show/select the jpeg file. The icon denoting that there is a DNG file also does not mean it is attached to that photo you are selecting in gallery.

When you shoot in RAW you get 2 files, one a .jpg and one a .DNG. In order to see the DNG file, you need to upload it from a file explorer and not from the gallery and make sure you select the file with the DNG extension.

 

[Suntan]

That.

The phone saves a .dng file and a .jpg file.

The .dng file can be moved with a file manager program, like ES File Explorer or similar.

 

[starbuck88]

Also, if you are selecting the photo from the gallery, it will only show/select the jpeg file. The icon denoting that there is a DNG file also does not mean it is attached to that photo you are selecting in gallery.

When you shoot in RAW you get 2 files, one a .jpg and one a .DNG. In order to see the DNG file, you need to upload it from a file explorer and not from the gallery and make sure you select the file with the DNG extension.

That.

The phone saves a .dng file and a .jpg file.

The .dng file can be moved with a file manager program, like ES File Explorer or similar.

Thanks guys, I managed to find the files in the standard file explorer, the difference you can make with these in Photoshop is amazing

 

[Mooncatt]

The files should not be the same size. Raw files are almost 20 mb where the JPG should be around 5 mp. I can't speak to dropbox but Google drive will transfer dng files. I would be surprised if dropbox automatically reads a dng file and compresses it to JPG.

With that said, understand what raw is. Raw is just the basic data picked up by the sensor. In fact ALL digital cameras capture the image in a raw format. LG uses Adobe's. Having access to this data is something that is new to smartphones. It's the phone's software that processes the images and compresses them to JPG. That's why 2 different makes of cell phones using the same camera sensor can have such dramatically different picture quality. In order to get a photograph from raw YOU have to process it with appropriate software.

I almost always shoot with my dslrs' in raw. Part of my photo workflow involves culling and processing images in Lightroom to be later processed in either Lightroom or Photoshop. This is time consuming. On my G4, however, I typically just shoot in JPG. Why? The biggest reason is that the G4 software does a great job in creating the JPG. That's the magic sauce that makes the G4 camera so good. Just point and shoot. Unless you are serious about the processing part of photography, I'd stick with JPG. If you want to dramatically increase the quality of your photos, invest your time in learning proper composition.

I'm most likely going to get a G4 and have been curious about shooting raw. I'm not planning to go pro or anything, but would like to tinker around with it. I don't have Photoshop or Lightroom and don't really want to buy them when it's unlikely I'll do anything worth the expense. Can you recommend any free programs or apps that would be decent enough for someone looking to explore RAW manipulation?

 

[iresq]

Try Raw Therapy for a free solution. For less then 100 you could pick up the Adobe's Elements bundle that will do photos, video, and storage.

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[RedOctobyr]

Thanks for the top on RAW Therapy, I'll have to look that up. ufRAW is another free program you could try, for working with RAW files.

Also, GIMP is a free program that has capabilities more like Photoshop, if you want to do more editing.

 

[Mooncatt]

I have toyed with GIMP before but didn't know it had RAW capabilities. I'll have to took into it and RAW Therapy too.

 

[RedOctobyr]

I don't think GIMP will open RAW directly, at least not on a PC (Mac sounds a bit different). But you can open a RAW file first using something else, and save it into a format that GIMP can use. Like TIFF, as an example.

 

[Mo ZedEl]

I'm most likely going to get a G4 and have been curious about shooting raw. I'm not planning to go pro or anything, but would like to tinker around with it. I don't have Photoshop or Lightroom and don't really want to buy them when it's unlikely I'll do anything worth the expense. Can you recommend any free programs or apps that would be decent enough for someone looking to explore RAW manipulation?

If you're looking at mobile editing, Photoshop Express works but it's a little basic. That said it is free. Photomate R2 is great but paid.

On computer, UFRaw plugin for GIMP and RawTherapee are good.

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[tikigod19]

could anyone possibly upload a nexus 6p .dng file so i could take a look at the quality and how easy it is to edit? doesnt have to be a masterpiece!

 

[Mooncatt]

could anyone possibly upload a nexus 6p .dng file so i could take a look at the quality and how easy it is to edit? doesnt have to be a masterpiece!

I got the G4 not long ago and starting to enjoy the RAW editing. I don't have a 6p, but here's the .dng file from probably my favorite G4 pic so far.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kp98ir5z7gst05f/1204151952.dng?dl=0

I'm also posting the original default jpeg and my RAW edit giving it a blue hue that I'm now using as my wallpaper. I've been using Snapseed and Photoshop Express on my phone to edit, depending on what I'm doing. Snapseed works well, but I've noticed some loss of accuracy with colors. PE seems to retain the color accuracy better, but I need to play with it more to see how well it edits compared to Snapseed.

 

[tikigod19]

thank you very much thats a great shot and I downloaded it and edited it in lightroom on my pc (which would probably be what I'd do as opposed to using mobile apps) and I'm really blown away by the quality of the camera. Do you know how the 6p compares to the LG? Do you have any daytime shots with skintones in to share?

 

[Mooncatt]

Do you know how the 6p compares to the LG? Do you have any daytime shots with skintones in to share?

Sadly no on both accounts. I haven't used the 6P, but the G4 is still considered to have one of the best cameras even without taking RAW into consideration, so can't go wrong on that front. I also don't have any daytime people shots. The best I could offer is a night shot with flash. I posted a pic in the sticky photo thread in this forum a few days ago. It's a collage showing the default jpeg, plus edits in both Snapseed and Photoshop Express for comparison.