LTE Poll Question

[TheUI]

I'll have to disagree, because the "chief" of the AOSP has specifically said what a pain in the ass it is to deal with network licenses for LTE and CDMA, and how it directly affected the Verizon and Sprint Nexus devices in the Android-building mailing list on numerous occasions. He's very direct, very approachable, and I recommend that every Android enthuisast subscribe to the group

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/android-building

That is the "mess" Google is describing, as told by someone in a position to label it a mess.

Jerry, man - facts are overrated. And, come to think of it, I think you have a soft spot for Android devices. Why? Because I "DuckDuckGo'd" you and apparently you write for an Android blog.

!!!Boom!!!

Exposed. So, stay out of Angel Beach...o-right?

/s
/johnnywalker
/the evening

 

[JHBThree]

I'll have to disagree, because the "chief" of the AOSP has specifically said what a pain in the ass it is to deal with network licenses for LTE and CDMA, and how it directly affected the Verizon and Sprint Nexus devices in the Android-building mailing list on numerous occasions. He's very direct, very approachable, and I recommend that every Android enthuisast subscribe to the group

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/android-building

That is the "mess" Google is describing, as told by someone in a position to label it a mess.

I read that. He was referring specifically to carriers. Google is just being lazy. (Or do you honestly think google will never release another LTE nexus, because that's basically what you're saying)

 

[JHBThree]

Do I have to repeat myself how CDMA is a locked down system that doesn't allow for random unlocked phones to be activated on it? Verizon LTE may be open, but the fact is since they run CDMA voice network they will NOT be activating any phone you want on it.

Tell you what, unlock an LTE GN from Sprint and activate it on Verizon and I'll concede that you have a minor point.

But it still comes down to sales numbers and LTE to Google just isn't that important.

Yeah, you're incorrect. As part of acquiring the LTE spectrum, Verizon had to abide by certain open rules. One of them was that any handset with the correct hardware had to be allowed on Verizon's network once it was certified. So far only one phone has attempted it. There is absolutely no reason why google could not have done the same.

Also, you've been proven wrong multiple times about LTE not being worth it for google sales-wise. The Verizon and sprint galaxy nexii certainly were a very profitable venture for samsung and google.

 

[Captian4Phones]

For starters.....Android has had LTE way before the iPhone ever did. The iPhone does not have global LTE. They currently have 3 different versions of LTE for 3 different networks. It'll likely only get worse when more networks open up LTE.

Not quite. It supports all current bands of LTE. Rogers (Canada), EE (UK), and a couple in South Korea that I can't pronounce. There are only a had full of frequency bands that LTE works on anyway. It comes down to the carrier with Android. Apple does what it wants. Google allows its OS to be penetrated and ripped apart by the carrier and manufacturer. The only other option is to go the hspa+ factory unlocked route and even then it comes down to the manufacturer.

Sent from a stock Atrix 2 cause there's no reason to root it.

 

[DC Damien]

I just ordered a T-Mobile sim. This will be a fun experiment with the N4 to see if I can survive off of the Verizon network.

 

[Woosh]

Yeah, you're incorrect. As part of acquiring the LTE spectrum, Verizon had to abide by certain open rules. One of them was that any handset with the correct hardware had to be allowed on Verizon's network once it was certified. So far only one phone has attempted it. There is absolutely no reason why google could not have done the same.

Also, you've been proven wrong multiple times about LTE not being worth it for google sales-wise. The Verizon and sprint galaxy nexii certainly were a very profitable venture for samsung and google.

Slow lane: why Google's new Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE | The Verge

as Verizon uses 700MHz in conjunction with CDMA spectrum that doesn?t have similar open access rules ? so while Verizon might be legally required to support an unlocked LTE device, the legacy CDMA network still effectively keeps all of Verizon?s phones locked.

Samsung claims 'minuscule' Galaxy Nexus sales numbers didn't harm Apple | The Verge

Samsung attorney John Quinn told the court that in the first two quarters it was in the market, the Galaxy Nexus sold $250 million worth of the device, arguing that "this is a product that, at most, captured 0.5 percent of the market.

If you say so.

 

[Woosh]

Not quite. It supports all current bands of LTE. Rogers (Canada), EE (UK), and a couple in South Korea that I can't pronounce. There are only a had full of frequency bands that LTE works on anyway. It comes down to the carrier with Android. Apple does what it wants. Google allows its OS to be penetrated and ripped apart by the carrier and manufacturer. The only other option is to go the hspa+ factory unlocked route and even then it comes down to the manufacturer.

Sent from a stock Atrix 2 cause there's no reason to root it.

Wish I could have found a better source but I didn't want to spend much time looking.....

http://mashable.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-versions-lte/

What that boils down to: three different phones, each one supporting different LTE bands.

I agree it was in Google's power to make these phones work with LTE. But idt the technology is there yet to make one single phone that will work on any LTE network.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

I read that. He was referring specifically to carriers. Google is just being lazy. (Or do you honestly think google will never release another LTE nexus, because that's basically what you're saying)

You didn't read "that". It has been discussed over and over and over on the mailing list (much like here at our forums) because people do not like the answer. If there were one simple instance, I would have just linked to it. And Google may or may not be lazy, but skipping LTE and CDMA on the new AOSP target was deliberate, and IMO wise.

And if you would read my previous comment instead of trying to put words into my mouth, you'd know exactly what I think about any future Nexus devices. You replied to it, so am I to think that you routinely respond to things you don't read?

 

[JHBThree]

You didn't read "that". It has been discussed over and over and over on the mailing list (much like here at our forums) because people do not like the answer. If there were one simple instance, I would have just linked to it. And Google may or may not be lazy, but skipping LTE and CDMA on the new AOSP target was deliberate, and IMO wise.

And if you would read my previous comment instead of trying to put words into my mouth, you'd know exactly what I think about any future Nexus devices. You replied to it, so am I to think that you routinely respond to things you don't read?

Around these parts what you just posted is considered trolling. Apparently you don't feel like you have to abide by the rules the rest of us do.

 

[JHBThree]

Slow lane: why Google's new Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE | The Verge



Samsung claims 'minuscule' Galaxy Nexus sales numbers didn't harm Apple | The Verge



If you say so.

You're wrong.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2277399,00.asp

And you also didn't read. The Verizon galaxy nexus was profitable, and far more profitable than the gsm nexus.

 

[JHBThree]

Wish I could have found a better source but I didn't want to spend much time looking.....

http://mashable.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-versions-lte/



I agree it was in Google's power to make these phones work with LTE. But idt the technology is there yet to make one single phone that will work on any LTE network.

There are three separate models, but they connect to more than three networks. In all likelihood, the only reason there's three is because apple didn't want to sacrifice the slim design by adding in all of the necessary hardware. Since the nexus 4 has a Qualcomm chipset, they wouldn't face similar constraints.

 

[Captian4Phones]

I agree. The only thing I really care about is battery life. If apple would make a model with a decent battery then fine.

I see all these people talking about how they have to limit their data because they are tiered. The only thing that limits my data usage is my battery. Which is the main reason I traded away my HTC.

I wouldn't mind a nexus without LTE. I just don't see why apples unlocked iPhone 5 is supposed to support LTE on AT&T and Rogers but the new nexus won't (so far). Even the int'l Note 2 has support for At&t LTE. (although I've yet to see anyone get it working).

Sent from a stock Atrix 2 cause there's no reason to root it.

 

[monkey28rb]

Funny - I don't remember The Verge slamming the iPhone 4S for lack of LTE. Now that iPhone 5 has it - LTE is a must have feature.

Well it is also a year later..... Technology has improved greatly since then, and every new phone that has came out in the past year has LTE. So yeah we have a right to be upset with Google's choice of not including LTE.

 

[Woosh]

You're wrong.

Verizon Explains New Open Device Policy | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

And you also didn't read. The Verizon galaxy nexus was profitable, and far more profitable than the gsm nexus.

Jerry is right on the money with this one.....You don't even read what you reply to. I even put it in bold to help you out without having to read the article.

Can't wait to get my phone!

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Around these parts what you just posted is considered trolling. Apparently you don't feel like you have to abide by the rules the rest of us do.

Around these parts what you just posted is considered dodging a question.

This is trolling. This is also me not caring.

Feel free to report the post.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

 

[Ry]

What apple makes has nothing to do with it. The fact is that multiple carriers are launching LTE service soon around the world, and this nexus won't be able to take advantage of it.

Maybe we should replace iPhone 5 with Galaxy S III.

 

[Ry]

After all the headaches, they still likely made 2x the cash off the Verizon Galaxy Nexus as they did the rest of them combined.

..boom.

 

[JHBThree]

Jerry is right on the money with this one.....You don't even read what you reply to. I even put it in bold to help you out without having to read the article.

Can't wait to get my phone!

What you posted was not accurate. Read the link above. It makes it perfectly clear what you said was incorrect.