Motorola Nexus

[Ry]

You hang out in Nexus forums. Nexus devices are reference devices for developers to test on. How many devices do you want to have to test development against? If you have external vendors, how many versions of Android API do you want to pay for testing on? Personally, I favor fewer points of failure, but I don't control which devices stakeholders come to my web applications on.

The simple choice of hanging out in Nexus forums is a decision to listen to conversations where fragmentation actually does have an impact.

Or Nexus devices are to show off the Google's Android experience.

I'd argue that Nexus isn't solely for reference devices anymore - Nexus S at major retailers like Best Buy, Nexus S sold through Sprint, Galaxy Nexus sold through Verizon and Sprint, Nexus 4 sold through T-Mobile. There is way more general consumer visibility compared to the days of the Nexus One.

And honestly, if you want fewer points of failure, Android isn't the space to be looking at. Android is open and can pretty much be used however an engineer and product manager see fit (ex: Nexus to TouchWiz, Sense, MotoBlur to Kindle Fire).

 

[gollum18]

Or Nexus devices are to show off the Google's Android experience.

I'd argue that Nexus isn't solely for reference devices anymore - Nexus S at major retailers like Best Buy, Nexus S sold through Sprint, Galaxy Nexus sold through Verizon and Sprint, Nexus 4 sold through T-Mobile. There is way more general consumer visibility compared to the days of the Nexus One.

And honestly, if you want fewer points of failure, Android isn't the space to be looking at. Android is open and can pretty much be used however an engineer and product manager see fit (ex: Nexus to TouchWiz, Sense, MotoBlur to Kindle Fire).

Case in point. I saw someone on here, who ported android to an rc car for his class project. Basically he made it controllable from his phone, he had to use the android ndk to build a receiver for his rc car, but the project worked for him.

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[Pollster]

I'm very curious to know where this started. Is it an official statement or is it something some guy said once upon a time in a forum somewhere and caught on in an arrow to the knee like fashion?

PM Jerry and ask him his opinion on how Google makes money from Nexus devices, or better yet, search this site. Articles and many posts have been written.
Selling phones that you don't make is a very small-thinking way to make money. Small thinking is not Google's way. Google makes it's money off of developers integrating their services and the Nexus is a part of that strategy. Is that the only facet of the Nexus strategy, of course not. Yet, none of this disputes that real developers are a part of the Nexus community and that fragmentation affects developers more than consumers. Fragmentation affects Google's upgrades to the integration of their services. Does anyone think that Google is most concerned with whether a small group of people who read these types of groups are impatient for upgrades normal people don't even know about? Does anyone think that all of the news stories in major news sources about Android fragmentation are in reaction to small discussions in these small forums?

This has been gone over many many many times on this site.

 

[Ry]

PM Jerry and ask him his opinion on how Google makes money from Nexus devices, or better yet, search this site. Articles and many posts have been written.
Selling phones that you don't make is a very small-thinking way to make money. Small thinking is not Google's way. Google makes it's money off of developers integrating their services and the Nexus is a part of that strategy. Is that the only facet of the Nexus strategy, of course not. Yet, none of this disputes that real developers are a part of the Nexus community and that fragmentation affects developers more than consumers. Fragmentation affects Google's upgrades to the integration of their services. Does anyone think that Google is most concerned with whether a small group of people who read these types of groups are impatient for upgrades normal people don't even know about? Does anyone think that all of the news stories in major news sources about Android fragmentation are in reaction to small discussions in these small forums?

This has been gone over many many many times on this site.

It appears Google is tackling fragmentation via Google Play Services. They're concerned, yes. But for now, it looks like the solution is to use Google Play Services instead of "forcing" OEMs to update Android versions.

 

[Rule9]

PM Jerry and ask him his opinion on how Google makes money from Nexus devices, or better yet, search this site. Articles and many posts have been written.
Selling phones that you don't make is a very small-thinking way to make money. Small thinking is not Google's way. Google makes it's money off of developers integrating their services and the Nexus is a part of that strategy. Is that the only facet of the Nexus strategy, of course not. Yet, none of this disputes that real developers are a part of the Nexus community and that fragmentation affects developers more than consumers. Fragmentation affects Google's upgrades to the integration of their services. Does anyone think that Google is most concerned with whether a small group of people who read these types of groups are impatient for upgrades normal people don't even know about? Does anyone think that all of the news stories in major news sources about Android fragmentation are in reaction to small discussions in these small forums?

This has been gone over many many many times on this site.

this still doesn't answer my question. where is the official stance by Google - not blog or opinion pieces or community consensus - that the Nexus are developer reference phones? I'm being facetious, because it was never stated. Are they optimal for that? Yes. But are they officially that? no, this has never been an official stance regardless of how many times anyone on this site has "gone over it"

 

[bp3dots]

Some manufacturer needs to step up and make an Android overlay that looks as good as stock but has all the features of the other overlays.

Except that's 100% subjective. I'm sure if you ask the folks at Samsung, LG, HTC, Moto, Sony, etc. they would tell you they did that. (Appearance wise)

In a perfect (for me) world, I'd actually like an a la carte build where I could grab just the features I like from each skin and add to stock.

 

[Pollster]

this still doesn't answer my question. where is the official stance by Google - not blog or opinion pieces or community consensus - that the Nexus are developer reference phones? I'm being facetious, because it was never stated. Are they optimal for that? Yes. But are they officially that? no, this has never been an official stance regardless of how many times anyone on this site has "gone over it"

Argue words, if you like, but it does not change the reality of the situation. In disagreement, it's been well established that
A lack of evidence of something != Evidence of a lack of something.
Your inability to "know where this started" only points out that you have not followed Android that long or searched for that history.

None of this tangent really affects my original statement.

 

[Rule9]

Argue words, if you like, but it does not change the reality of the situation. In disagreement, it's been well established that
A lack of evidence of something != Evidence of a lack of something.
Your inability to "know where this started" only points out that you have not followed Android that long or searched for that history.

None of this tangent really affects my original statement.

LOL what? Are we in a courtroom trial? How am I arguing words? Google either said the Nexus is intended as a reference phone for developers (your words) or they didn't. That was the question I asked, and you are the one who sidetracked it into a tangent by presenting some argument of "evidence". I know where it started, maybe you should look up another word: facetious. It started with opinion pieces by bloggers who don't work for Google.
"Android is a reference phone for developers"
said no Google employee, ever.

"It's well known" by who?
It's well established" by who? where?

Show me.

You're attempting to present this knowing persona but yet don't have anything of substance to back it up whatsoever. The only one you haven't used yet is "some people say"

 

[Pollster]

It started with opinion pieces by bloggers who don't work for Google.

Source please

 

[Rule9]

Source please

Lol OK that was funny I'll give you credit for that

 

[Pollster]

Lol OK that was funny I'll give you credit for that

Yep. It's all good fun, and of course this place only exists for us all to blather.
Seriously, though. Here's what you're doing.
Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If I make a bold statement like "'Android is a reference phone for developers' said every Google employee, every day, just not on the internet.", the burden is on you to prove me wrong.

Googling "Nexus Reference Device" brings up tens of thousands of references on respectable sites like NYTimes, CNet, and every Android tech site dating back to the very first Nexus. If someone wants to deny that "the community" includes thousands of developers who depend on Nexus devices to interact with AOSP and Android SDK to make money for themselves and Google, that's their burden. Google's ability to avoid being quoted using Nexus and Reference Device in the same sentence is irrelevant.

 

[bunique4life05]

LG Optimus G > Nexus 4
Moto X > Nexus 5
This what I am hoping.

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