Motorola Triumph Comparison

HatMaker

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I did recently get the Motorola Triumph, and after a solid days worth of use I am impressed, but definitely wanting in some respects of the phone.

This is not meant to be a review, but just to give my perspective on owning the Triumph after owning a LG Optimus V.

Hardware

The phone overall compared to the Optimus is much larger. The Triumph not too uncomfortable to hold, but for some the larger size may put you off. The higher resolution is much nicer compared to the Optimus V. Some people report that their phone has white spots or flickering; my particular phone does not. I do notice the screen lacks some contrast compared to a V, but overall I much prefer the colors and size of the Triumph.

The LED status light when charging/missed message etc is helpful. The Optimus V lacks a LED status light.

The finish on the phone is a rubbery black matte type finish that feels cheap. I get the impression that over time the finish may rub or scratch off. The Optimus is just a plain black plastic finish that seems more durable, but equally cheap compared to the Triumph.

Buttons on the Triumph are VERY flush. Power/Volume Up/Down are so flush against the phone that they are hard to press. The main culprit here is the power button on the side that you HAVE to use to wake the phone. Even with a few days worth of usage it's hard to get used to. The regular 4 application keys are touch screen type and the usual caveats apply there. The lack of the camera and voice buttons on the Triumph are noted, as I did enjoy the camera button on the Optimus V.

The Optimus has a power button located on the top and the buttons on the bottom can also wake the phone. I prefer the Optimus V's "hard" buttons compared to the touchscreen buttons of the Triumph.

I find the side mounted speakers of the Motorola Triumph to be annoying. The Triumph has the speaker vents located directly to the left and right of the phone at the bottom where my palm usually rests. This muffles the sound and I have to re-grip the phone to make it not sound terrible. I found my Optimus V louder and the placement of the speaker in the rear much superior.

The camera sensor on the Triumph is a small rectangular plastic window that seems to be prone to scratches. However, the Triumph does have a very bright LED flash. The Optimus has a metal encasing for the camera that seems much more durable.

The final issue I notice is the battery cover. The Triumph has a flimsy and tiny battery cover that requires constant contact pushing downwards as you slide it up. If you do not apply enough downward pressure (and it's hard to see if the cover is flush or not), you can often end up installing the cover wrong as you put it back on. The Optimus V has a solid plastic back door cover that at least snaps on in a more convincing manner.

Software

The stock Froyo loaded onto the Triumph is reasonably plain with minimal modifications. There are the usual stock Virgin applications loaded (airG chat/Download/My Account/Scvngr/Where/Twindroyd/Virgin Mobile Live). This is no different from the Optimus V.

There is a distinct random lack of responsiveness sometimes, but it's hard to objectively describe it. Sometimes when exiting an application like the web browser pressing the home button gives the haptic feedback (vibration), but the program refuses to exit. Occasionally, pressing an application icon gives feedback when pressed (it fades out briefly from the press), but no application gets launched. I had little to no such issues that I can remember on my Optimus V, but that phone was rooted and running the lean Bumblebee ROM.

Update: I did try removing the "second" screen protector, and it did help a little with the presses not registering. The random UI lag and program lag still exists, and it's completely impossible to predict.

The GPS ability on the Triumph is hugely lacking. The Triumph often requires 30 seconds or more to lock onto my position while driving/moving, while the Optimus V has no issues locating me in the same scenario. Additionally, the Optimus V can lock onto my location indoors with no issue even with the Wireless assisted GPS turned off, while the Triumph often gives up with no location. This is the biggest issue and downfall for me on this phone.

Battery life is nothing to write home about, and I averaged about 8 hours with about 2-3 hours of solid continuous use on my first full charge. I used it more normally the next few days after and averaged about 12-15 hours. The Optimus V can last much longer with the battery, but this is most likely because of the custom ROM I was using. I suspect custom ROM work on the Triumph may help this.

Picture quality on the Triumph is OK. The camera requires a lot of light to take a decent non grainy picture and the LED flash just tends to wash everything out. This is my experience with most camera phones. I found that with enough light and adjustment of the settings the Triumph takes decent pictures with the main camera. The front camera needs a good amount of light to avoid grainyness.

Random bug: The main camera resets to VGA after taking a picture with the front camera with the Triumph.

The Optimus V camera has the same defects with low light, but lacks a LED flash.

Overall

I do enjoy the larger screen and the much stronger hardware of the Triumph over the Optimus V. However, if you are not a power user and the bigger screen doesn't attract you - the Triumph may not be for you. The Triumph uses the same Snapdragon chip as the Thunderbolt, and in practice games and other applications that need more power that run sluggishly on the Optimus V work great on the Triumph. I have absolutely no complaints with the speed of the phone. The random lag of the phone does not detract from it much, but I feel this just underlines a more serious overall issue.

In the end, the Triumph feels like a phone that is not 100% complete. It feels like the phone needed more testing and development. The GPS fails to find your location, or is very slow at finding your location in most circumstances. Signal levels for my Triumph are easily 5-6 dBm off or more compared to my Optimus V. This results in the Triumph losing signal or reverting to 1X much more than my Optimus V(same 61007 PRL). Random lag and button presses that don't register have me second guessing my typing. Hopefully devs will be able to sort out these issues.

I would say the 300 dollar price about right, but if you're on the fence and don't need the extra hardware power consider sticking with the Optimus V for now.
 
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I've had it for a few days and I have to say I disagree with many of your assertions. Yes, I do like the buttons on the optimus better (only had it a few days to lock in the 25 plan), but that's just one thing. The phone feels very solid to me and not cheap at all. The covering on the plastic is common anymore and meant to allow a better grip. I've had the same thing on my Epic since I got it 8 months ago and it's been fine.

The screen and processing ability IMHO make this phone a no brainer over the Optimus V. I'm not saying it's a bad phone, I'm just saying that These additions are a HUGE advantage. Responsiveness can be a killer.
 
The phone has been pretty fantastic in my mind, though I'm a bit sceptical as well in regards to build quality. For example, the screen often times seems to delay registering my touch and can be a bit unresponsive. That's really my only gripe so far.

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Wow that's amazing you could dredge up so much hate for the triumph... I own an evo an Optimus v and now the triumph and the triumph trumps the other 2. Duh. Ur feeling unresponsiveness? Take off the factory screen cover. I bet u had a rubber case over ur Optimus cuz I didn't and the whole bottom back is eroded. Hard buttons suck... duh. The speaker on the v is junk. Also, before u gripe about that, plug some headphones in and listen to the difference... phone feels cheap? Why cuz its amazingly light? Go take ur phone back if its got so many qualities that frustrate you.

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Hatmaker: Thanks for your observations. Contrary to Machete's ranting, your review, to me, appears to be reasonably objective, and it brought forward several potential issues that many of us are tracking before throwing our time tested OVs aside. When one spends $300 for an untested item there can, in my opinion, be a tendency to justify rather than objectively observe.

The MT sounds good. It has several features that make it appear, on paper, like it would better meet my needs than my OV; but it also sounds like there may be some serious trade-offs.

Considering the fact that the OV black is going to be available in several months, I, for one, want to hear as much honest observation (rather than rant or hype) as possible.

Please keep posting as you spend more time with your MT.

Cbill
 
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I keep hearing that the factory screen protector can be removed (not the one that peels off out of the box, but a second one that comes on the screen if you look closely). I also keep reading that removing that helps with responsiveness and sensitivity issues. But man, the few times I've attempted to peel it off, it seems extremely difficult, so I'm afraid it might mess something up or leave some sort of bad film or something...
 
I updated the original post with some more information. The GPS and general signal levels are very problematic and a factory reset did not do much to correct the issue.

My Optimus V gets constant 3G at about -80 to -85 dBm signal strength at home with no drops to 1X service or signal loss. I have watched my Triumph lose signal and report signal strengths of -90 dBm to -105 dBm at home depending on the fluctuations. The Triumph's lack of reception actually is very noticeable as I find myself often with 1X service where I had 3G service before with my Optimus. Both phones are using the same PRL (61007)

The GPS ability of the Triumph is sorely lacking. I am able to lock on my location with my Optimus V at home in a second even without Wireless assisted GPS enabled. The Triumph is a hit and miss and requires 30 seconds or more to get it to find my location. If you're in a house or even a car in some locations I just cannot get the phone to find my location. The Triumph needs me to start driving for a minute or move outside the building to get my position correct.
 
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My GPS seems ok, but my cell radio is definitely weaker than my Opt V was. If I'm outside where the signal is decent, then the dBm comparison is similar - the Triump averages maybe 3-5 more dBm than the OV.

But if I go inside my office building, or anywhere where the signal gets weaker for that matter (though these numbers are strictly from my office), the dBm difference is notable. My OptV's dBm fluctuates between 90 and 95, and the Triumph fluctuates between 95 and 100... doesn't sound horrible, except that the Triump will randomly bounce up to 105+, while the OptV never moves out of that range.
 
yah I agree although I have nothing to compare to. Virtually no signal at the house and I live in a large area connected to a major US City. In the major city at the office I get 1 or 2 bars fluctuating. Not that great of signal.
 
Wow that's amazing you could dredge up so much hate for the triumph... I own an evo an Optimus v and now the triumph and the triumph trumps the other 2. Duh. Ur feeling unresponsiveness? Take off the factory screen cover. I bet u had a rubber case over ur Optimus cuz I didn't and the whole bottom back is eroded. Hard buttons suck... duh. The speaker on the v is junk. Also, before u gripe about that, plug some headphones in and listen to the difference... phone feels cheap? Why cuz its amazingly light? Go take ur phone back if its got so many qualities that frustrate you.

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Wow spoken like a true blind fanboy, I honestly don't feel he was slamming on the phone if he was he would have used language similar to yours. He addressed some issues that the phone currently has and was objective about it. Its not like he went"This phone sux hurh hurh take it back!" If your not going to add anything intelligent to the conversation then go back under your bridge troll.
 
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My experience with the Triumph gets a bit more sour each day I use it. The signal issues are highly problematic for me when trying to use any kind of internet radio or internet application. The phone will repeatedly drop to 1X/2G to no service and stops my music constantly, or randomly refuses to load web pages. This is comparison to my Optimus V which would hold the signal and stream music continuously on the same road with no problems.

The main application I use is Slacker Radio, which as an application is not very good and quite buggy. However, I do enjoy the service and the Optimus V gives me a uninterrupted feed of music and buffers everything fine on the major freeways. The Triumph will randomly lose 3G service and hit signal levels of -120 dBm and suddenly the data connection will drop. It will recover and eventually regain service, but the Optimus V is actually usable as an internet radio device, while the Triumph is not.

Additionally, I have found that the phone will report -120 dBm and report full bars occasionally. When the phone does hit that signal level all data ceases to work even though all 4 signal level bars are lit up.

Finally, I did run into some issues with the screen not sleeping after hitting the power button, and other assorted weirdness being tracked back to JuiceDefender. That application does not work well with my Triumph. It is possible with custom settings rather than the default settings that this could be resolved, but I do not have the time or patience to configure that application.
 
Wow. Thanks for posting this. I will def be sticking with the OV for now. Hopefully Motorola and VM will get an update out to fix these issues quickly.
 
Yeah, I was cautiously skeptical about the Triumph before it came out, because you just never know what its REALLY like until some people get their hands on it. I was never really considering buying the Triumph (at least not now and not at its current price), but I'm starting to love my Optimus V even more. Its easy to envy the paper specs of the latest and greatest but the OV is a dependable workhorse for a steal of a price. I wish the early adopters of the MT luck, and I hope some of the reported shortcomings are corrected.

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If bad reception turns out to be more than anecdotal, that would change my mind about getting the MT because VM does not have the greatest coverage where I live. I like my Optimus V enough to stick with it and see if VM keeps coming out with better phones. The next one up is supposed to be another LG (the Black) and it reportedly has new screen technology that saves battery life while producing a very good display. Hopefully, it will have radio reception at least equal to if not better than the Optimus V.
 
Buttons on the Triumph are VERY flush. Power/Volume Up/Down are so flush against the phone that they are hard to press. The main culprit here is the power button on the side that you HAVE to use to wake the phone. Even with a few days worth of usage it's hard to get used to. The regular 4 application keys are touch screen type and the usual caveats apply there. The lack of the camera and voice buttons on the Triumph are noted, as I did enjoy the camera button on the Optimus V.

The Optimus has a power button located on the top and the buttons on the bottom can also wake the phone. I prefer the Optimus V's "hard" buttons compared to the touchscreen buttons of the Triumph.

Agreed. I’m not happy with the buttons at all. Soft buttons are always bad, imo. They’re difficult to find when it’s dark (bed, porch at night, etc.). Tactile buttons are important on any device, and I’m always amazed that these types of buttons make it onto products.

The button placement is bad, as well. When locking/unlocking the phone, I constantly turn up and down the volume by accident because you need to press on the other side of the phone. The Optimus V button style and layout was far superior.

I actually think the Triumph’s speakers are much louder than the Optimus, though. I didn’t find the external speakers on the Optimus to be very useful at all. I do agree that the placement is goofy for the reasons you mentioned.

The Triumph’s headphone volume seems unusually low to me, at least compared to any other device I’ve ever had. Full volume is adequate for the most part, but for those times where just a little more sound is needed, there is none. Not sure if it’s just my phone, but it’s definitely low. I thought I found a workaround by using an app called “Volume Boost”. It didn’t work at all at first, but I found that by turning the app on and off a few times, and restarting the media, it eventually does kick in and boost the audio significantly. Unfortunately, it also turns off the phone and notification ringtones when it’s active. Aggravating.
 
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Hatmaker: Thanks for your observations. Contrary to Machete's ranting, your review, to me, appears to be reasonably objective, and it brought forward several potential issues that many of us are tracking before throwing our time tested OVs aside. When one spends $300 for an untested item there can, in my opinion, be a tendency to justify rather than objectively observe.

The MT sounds good. It has several features that make it appear, on paper, like it would better meet my needs than my OV; but it also sounds like there may be some serious trade-offs.

Considering the fact that the OV black is going to be available in several months, I, for one, want to hear as much honest observation (rather than rant or hype) as possible.

Please keep posting as you spend more time with your MT.

Cbill

Thanks for pointing this out. Hatmaker deserves applause for his efforts. As for me, I am getting ready to return my Triumph to Best Buy due to issues I have seen comparable to those of Hatmaker. I think this phone should be called a Tri Hump as I feel Motorola has pulled a fast one.

I will be going back to my Optimus V which worked much better. I am willing to try out another phone to just be sure I didn't just pick up a lemon the first time as I wish to be fair, but the one I've been using for the past few days has sucked royally. I had to restart the phone after pairing it with a Motorola H17 BT headset due to continous ringing through the earpiece after pairing completed. The phone has connectivity issues with this headset as well. You'd think the phone would love to pair with a headset from the parent manufacturer, but I digress.

As well, the reception of this phone is not as good as the Optimus V has been for me. I was hesitant to leap on this new phone, but I did. Boy, am I sure glad I still have my Optimus V to fall back on now! Buyer beware!
 
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I recently did the PRL hack on my Triumph to see if it improved my signal levels. I am happy to report my signal levels are MUCH better compared to what they used to be. I loaded the 60680 PRL nmarz posted onto my V and my Triumph, and the Triumph saw immediate improvement in keeping 3G signal. My V did not nearly show as much of an improvement, so i'm guessing the Triumph really needs the extra tower entries compared to the V.

On the same stretch of major freeway I take the Triumph was able to hold a constant 3G signal throughout my drive, where before on the stock 61007 PRL I would constantly drop to 1X or no signal. This now enables me to use my Triumph as a internet radio device. The signal levels are still 5 dBm or so off from the V, but it has not really mattered in real world usage as the data signal is maintained fairly well. The spikes to 120+ dBm still occur, but they are much less frequent now and don't cut out data nearly as much. The final benefit is my 3G reconnects nearly instantly after I turn off WiFi. However, I still report a TWS over 50%.

The final thing I have noticed is when I activate my GPS (Google Maps, etc.) it causes the signal levels for the phone to spike. I can't exactly explain it, but the phone can sit at -90 dBm, and when Google Maps attempts to find location it spikes to 110+ dBm. The new PRL did seem to help the GPS a bit, but I would attribute that to the more reliable cellular connection.

I am still not completely sold on the Triumph, and I would still only recommend this phone if you need the larger screen and the much faster Snapdragon processor. I recommend Triumph users to change out their PRL's for improved service.
 
I recently did the PRL hack on my Triumph to see if it improved my signal levels. I am happy to report my signal levels are MUCH better compared to what they used to be. I loaded the 60680 PRL nmarz posted onto my V and my Triumph, and the Triumph saw immediate improvement in keeping 3G signal. My V did not nearly show as much of an improvement, so i'm guessing the Triumph really needs the extra tower entries compared to the V.

On the same stretch of major freeway I take the Triumph was able to hold a constant 3G signal throughout my drive, where before on the stock 61007 PRL I would constantly drop to 1X or no signal. This now enables me to use my Triumph as a internet radio device. The signal levels are still 5 dBm or so off from the V, but it has not really mattered in real world usage as the data signal is maintained fairly well. The spikes to 120+ dBm still occur, but they are much less frequent now and don't cut out data nearly as much. The final benefit is my 3G reconnects nearly instantly after I turn off WiFi. However, I still report a TWS over 50%.

The final thing I have noticed is when I activate my GPS (Google Maps, etc.) it causes the signal levels for the phone to spike. I can't exactly explain it, but the phone can sit at -90 dBm, and when Google Maps attempts to find location it spikes to 110+ dBm. The new PRL did seem to help the GPS a bit, but I would attribute that to the more reliable cellular connection.

I am still not completely sold on the Triumph, and I would still only recommend this phone if you need the larger screen and the much faster Snapdragon processor. I recommend Triumph users to change out their PRL's for improved service.

Any chance you have a link to what you used for this? Google Search is bringing up a pretty wide spectrum and I don't know much about PRL hacks.
 
Any chance you have a link to what you used for this? Google Search is bringing up a pretty wide spectrum and I don't know much about PRL hacks.
This is the original thread in the OV forum, w/ instructions on how to perform the PRL swap...

PRL Swap for the V on VM (latest PRL for Sprint Towers)
http://forums.androidcentral.com/virgin-mobile-optimus-v/66644-prl-swap-v-vm-latest-prl-sprint-towers.html

... and the link to the 60680.rar file that mmarz posted on page 30:

http://forums.androidcentral.com/virgin-mobile-optimus-v/66644-prl-swap-v-vm-latest-prl-sprint-towers-30.html#post1101538
 

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