Mr Mobile U 11 review

[gendo667]

No, I don't think *you* get it, they give out stuff to their customers and elevate members *ALL* the time. This is just another thing for them to do. And many elevate members are in the HTC preview program so a good amount of them have had many hours of hands on with the u 11. Not to mention all the elevate meet ups where they put the phone in their members hands. So again, you do not understand, but I don't expect the feeble to understand what HTC is trying to do here. And hey, if the elevaters are lying when they do this, that's not on HTC. That's in the people lying about it. So your argument there is again, feeble at best.

Why so combative? Where's the constructive conversation? Leaving thread.

 

[NEXUS_HTC_PS]

Well, we can't argue much on there.

But that doesn't really change my thoughts.

I don't agree with HTC doing this sort of thing and I'm happy that they've changed it so that it's more of a encouragement rather than what looks like assembling a fanboy army.

It is assembling their fanboy/girl army. And who cares if they do. Let them do what they gotta do. It's not like they're Samsung spying on it's customers with their televisions or bribing their government. FFS. You people are seriously getting to the level of childish.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

It is assembling their fanboy/girl army. And who cares if they do. Let them do what they gotta do. It's not like they're Samsung spying on it's customers with their televisions or bribing their government. FFS. You people are seriously getting to the level of childish.

While I do agree with you that they should be left to their own accord, that still does not change my thoughts.

HTC's program was ill-stated even though they never meant any ill-intent.

And with that, we're done here.

 

[gendo667]

That's fine. But you're talking down to people.

 

[sydneycooper1979]

Mod Note: please keep the discussion civil and on topic. Thank you.

 

[Almeuit]

Cleaned up some posts. Keep it civil. Debates are cool.. going down the low road to insult people because you think that's how debates go isn't cool. No need for it in any civil discussion.

Thanks.

 

[jazman_777]

Nerd drama gaping at Asian business model. This is all just normal business in mass-scale consumerist globalist world.

 

[digitalbreak]

It seems like folks are ready to take the first thing that comes out of the press as the golden truth, sigh. If that's the case, let be it.

For me personally, U11 is comparable to latest flagships and has a gorgeous design. Seen it person to arrive to that conclusion.

Now, reviewers are taking this occasion as an excuse to say the hate comments in their YouTube videos, reviews are from these HTC folks wanting swags. Very convenient. It seems as if all of those thousand or so comments gathered are from HTC fans - pretty huge fan base I guess! Sigh.

If you are not interested in this phone, you got many other choices.

If you are not interested to review this phone, you got plenty of choices.

If you do want to review the phone, or any product in this case, please do a honest non-biased review that doesn't put your personal vendetta rather an average consumer's view so it can help the consumers decide if the device is right or not for them.

And if you are a HTC Elevate member, please don't expect swags in return. Be the ultimate spokesperson that helps your users and not the other way around.

I am done with this thread. Peace.

 

[MDMcAtee]

I just found this.

I mean, I'm dumbfounded and even a little angry at this.

Why are you dumbfounded and angry?

You actually seem to think that this is a bribe to get real honest u11 owners posting valid opinions where those who have never even touched one in person is slamming the phone, because he said he would send out some swag every now and then?

Nowhere did he include everyone on the program, nor did he invite or suggest anyone to be dishonest. There is no guarantee that any one person is going to get "swag" so this cannot be construed as a bribe.

They, to me want to build a fan base of actual owners posting both positive and negative feedback to combat just negative postings, which is far removed from some of the other OEMs rabid fanboys who are known to trounce on anyone speaking out against their own.. or some of the paid shills who blatantly review phones in a negative way.

There is nothing wrong with what your posted statement actually said. You just took it wrong and chose to try to make it out to be something it isn't. It's not a invite to not be truthful.

If HTC listens to it's real customers and fixes what needs to be fixed,they will build a larger fan base and it will become stronger and sell more phones.. When folks on the various forums and public media as well as some of "reviewers" see this, it will give them pause to not be so quick to put out biased slanted postings or reviews, or just copy and paste from some other reviewer posting.

I don't think anyone is thinking about getting "swag" just to bash anyone, but just wants a level playing field.

Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Why are you dumbfounded and angry?

You actually seem to think that this is a bribe to get real honest u11 owners posting valid opinions where those who have never even touched one in person is slamming the phone, because he said he would send out some swag every now and then?

Nowhere did he include everyone on the program, nor did he invite or suggest anyone to be dishonest. There is no guarantee that any one person is going to get "swag" so this cannot be construed as a bribe.

They, to me want to build a fan base of actual owners posting both positive and negative feedback to combat just negative postings, which is far removed from some of the other OEMs rabid fanboys who are known to trounce on anyone speaking out against their own.. or some of the paid shills who blatantly review phones in a negative way.

There is nothing wrong with what your posted statement actually said. You just took it wrong and chose to try to make it out to be something it isn't. It's not a invite to not be truthful.

If HTC listens to it's real customers and fixes what needs to be fixed,they will build a larger fan base and it will become stronger and sell more phones.. When folks on the various forums and public media as well as some of "reviewers" see this, it will give them pause to be so quick to put out biased slanted postings or reviews.

I don't think anyone is thinking about getting "swag" just to bash anyone, but just wants a level playing field.

Mac

See, there's the problem.

There was no real ill-intent, but the way it was worded made it sound that way.

And while free stuff here and there is nice, I don't think it was well thought out as it does raise the question of whether people will go out on their way to defend the phone just for the chance of free stuff. People are unpredictable. Intention and result aren't always going to be the same.

I'm happy that HTC changed it up to make it more obvious on what it is. Apologies if people got worked up, as it was never my intention to hate the company. I like what they do a lot, but I just don't agree with this initially.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

For me personally, U11 is comparable to latest flagships and has a gorgeous design. Seen it person to arrive to that conclusion.

I don't think anyone said that the U11 was horrendous.

I've said it before in a YouTube comment. If you wanted an 835 with a 16:9 display, that's your current pick.

It's actually a very good phone. Problem is this whole Elevate thing didn't work out too well. It certainly was a good idea but I've read it over and over and can't help but think that there's always the chance that it can go wrong.

 

[Stevenmc8602]

The complete wrong use of the word swag is more troubling to me than the HTC exert

 

[MDMcAtee]

See, there's the problem.

There was no real ill-intent, but the way it was worded made it sound that way.

And while free stuff here and there is nice, I don't think it was well thought out as it does raise the question of whether people will go out on their way to defend the phone just for the chance of free stuff. People are unpredictable. Intention and result aren't always going to be the same.

I'm happy that HTC changed it up to make it more obvious on what it is. Apologies if people got worked up, as it was never my intention to hate the company. I like what they do a lot, but I just don't agree with this initially.

Well, I don't think the worst of people, especially of those whom I don't know personally, even if folks in general may be unpredictable and all.... I prefer to wait and see what these folks are going to say.

As to Mr. Mobile's actual review, it is pretty obvious to see his preferences for the Samsung design, and how his review is against the u11. Instead of extolling the positives, his emphasis was generally negative irregardless on how well the phone actually is.

While I may not be a professional reviewer by any means, I certainly would not call the s8 more advanced than the u11 just on how the phone looks, which is what he did. Curved screens like the Samsung phones have to many people, as evident by the majority of people (over 1k comments in total at the YouTube video) bears this out

I don't see any other way to take this from his review, and can fully understand HTC's positioning trying to get actual users to speak out against this type of obvious biased review, and yes it is most certainly a biased review since the entire beginning of the review is negatively posed.

I have to ask myself if squeazable sides are a gimmick, or if they have real world practicality... If I were a responsible reviewer, I would look beyond my own usage and try to imagine how those in colder climates might be happy... instead of how those in the warmer climates see this... Would I call it a gimmick... certainly not. I don't think any other phone has had this feature, and in reality doesn't this make the phone more "advanced" than those that don't?

Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Well, I don't think the worst of people, especially of those whom I don't know personally, even if folks in general may be unpredictable and all.... I prefer to wait and see what these folks are going to say.

As to Mr. Mobile's actual review, it is pretty obvious to see his preferences for the Samsung design, and how his review is against the u11. Instead of extolling the positives, his emphasis was generally negative irregardless on how well the phone actually is.

While I may not be a professional reviewer by any means, I certainly would not call the s8 more advanced than the u11 just on how the phone looks, which is what he did. Curved screens like the Samsung phones have to many people, as evident by the majority of people (over 1k comments in total at the YouTube video) bears this out

I don't see any other way to take this from his review, and can fully understand HTC's positioning trying to get actual users to speak out against this type of obvious biased review, and yes it is most certainly a biased review since the entire beginning of the review is negatively posed.

I have to ask myself if squeazable sides are a gimmick, or if they have real world practicality... If I were a responsible reviewer, I would look beyond my own usage and try to imagine how those in colder climates might be happy... instead of how those in the warmer climates see this... Would I call it a gimmick... certainly not. I don't think any other phone has had this feature, and in reality doesn't this make the phone more "advanced" than those that don't?

Mac

I definitely get your viewpoint and I do agree with some of them.

Though remember that HTC's intent was to mainly counter those who blindly hate on the device without touching or seeing it in person. While there are certainly arguments over whether Michael should have either had a more neutral tone in the review (I call it the Saabkyle style as those reviews touch more on general consumer-deciding information than how the reviewer feels about the product, although that is present as well) or stuck to his own personal viewpoint to avoid sounding generic (I've actually done personal reviews of products I own for the AC community before and it's definitely not easy to make it sound neutral BTW), I think HTC wasn't intending to go after those who have made some critical comments which can be considered constructive.

Like I said, HTC's intentions were not wrong per se. But haters will always be haters, and trying to fight back is usually futile.

As for the MrMobile review, this is a perfect example of why I keep telling people to read and watch a variety of reviews from people with different standpoints and preferences. Everyone has a different viewpoint, opinion and taste. You shouldn't judge a product based on a single review. I'm not defending him, necessarily, but what I'm seeing sorta reinforces my point of making sure you get your information from multiple points of view.

Last but certainly not least is actually a bit of a thank you. Because I've never had a long and informative discussion in the forums for a while, so thanks for being patient and posting in a largely civilized manner that isn't full of cruft. I think we've learned quite a bit.

With that, I don't think there's much else for me to say. HTC resolved it in a manner I'm okay with and the U11 still stands as a pretty dang good phone. I think our regular scheduled programming should return soon.

 

[Stevenmc8602]

I definitely get your viewpoint and I do agree with some of them.

Though remember that HTC's intent was to mainly counter those who blindly hate on the device without touching or seeing it in person. While there are certainly arguments over whether Michael should have either had a more neutral tone in the review (I call it the Saabkyle style as those reviews touch more on general consumer-deciding information than how the reviewer feels about the product, although that is present as well) or stuck to his own personal viewpoint to avoid sounding generic (I've actually done personal reviews of products I own for the AC community before and it's definitely not easy to make it sound neutral BTW), I think HTC wasn't intending to go after those who have made some critical comments which can be considered constructive.

Like I said, HTC's intentions were not wrong per se. But haters will always be haters, and trying to fight back is usually futile.

As for the MrMobile review, this is a perfect example of why I keep telling people to read and watch a variety of reviews from people with different standpoints and preferences. Everyone has a different viewpoint, opinion and taste. You shouldn't judge a product based on a single review. I'm not defending him, necessarily, but what I'm seeing sorta reinforces my point of making sure you get your information from multiple points of view.

Last but certainly not least is actually a bit of a thank you. Because I've never had a long and informative discussion in the forums for a while, so thanks for being patient and posting in a largely civilized manner that isn't full of cruft. I think we've learned quite a bit.

With that, I don't think there's much else for me to say. HTC resolved it in a manner I'm okay with and the U11 still stands as a pretty dang good phone. I think our regular scheduled programming should return soon.

So you saw a problem with how HTC worded their statement but not with sites like Android Central posting articles with titles like the one about the article? I know the AC article is actually trying to explain HTC intent but from the comment section it's clear most people only read the title and drew a different conclusion and further try to attack HTC

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

So you saw a problem with how HTC worded their statement but not with sites like Android Central posting articles with titles like the one about the article? I know the AC article is actually trying to explain HTC intent but from the comment section it's clear most people only read the title and drew a different conclusion and further try to attack HTC

Hate to say it, but people only tend to read the headlines and jump to conclusions. I am guilty of it too at points.

I read a lot of them, and many did clarify that HTC's intentions were not wrong.

I don't have an issue when they try to clarify what was going on, but people should really read past the headline.

Honestly, I don't want this topic to drag on. It's already over.

 

[MDMcAtee]

No problem.

I too think it's wise to check multiple sources when trying to decide on buying a new phone, this has always been the best way of doing things, but I have to digress here and categorically state... About Mr. Mobile's review... it is not neutral in nature as it should be,even when he compliments it, he counters with a negative. He neither strived to be neutral, or present his opinion as such. You cannot start a review and end it in a negative manner and expect people to come away from it feeling positive about this phone. That is the crux of this and again what I believe HTC is trying to combat.

In this day and age of putting form over functionality, I see that HTC has tried to balance this trend, to appease these critics and still put out a quality product. While it erks some of their core base moving to a glass backed phone and removing the headphone jack in favor of the USB - C adapter, what is gained is a noticeable improvement especially when their supplied earbuds or factored in along with the software to achieve what they are doing, while still allowing the use of individuals prior purchased wired choices. Heck most OEMs don't supply noise canceling buds free of charge if any at all. But even this is cast in a negative manner in his review.

No.. He set out to be a Negative Nancy because he knows that he has a following and is trying to influence people to buy the Samsung and it is clearly evident if you are truly being honest with yourself.

My viewpoint is different than yours obviously, but if you go back and watch and listen to it again without bias or allowing your own personal preferences to influence you , you might come to a different conclusion altogether and understand what HTC is and has been up against by this type of review and why they are trying to start a ground swell in their customer base.

I'll do my own review of the u11 when I get it here and will do a side by side with the s8 that is also coming for my wife and I guarantee that it won't be as biased as Mr. Mobile's review. I've owned several of each companies phones and know how to be objective in evaluating a product without bias.

Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I'll do my own review of the u11 when I get it here and will do a side by side with the s8 that is also coming for my wife and I guarantee that it won't be as biased as Mr. Mobile's review. I've owned several of each companies phones and know how to be objective in evaluating a product without bias.

Let me know when it's out.

Community reviews are some of my favorite things to read since they're usually devices purchased with one's owned money, which does help with being as fair as possible.

Though I've kinda summarized the U11 with this.

"If you're looking for a solid flagship with an 835 and you're not keen on going to new aspect ratios until they're widely accepted, the U11 is worth a look."

Honestly, though, I don't think you'll be disappointed. The S8 is currently still my favorite, but the U11 is shaping up to be a very compelling alternative, especially if you're not keen on 2:1 aspect ratios just yet.

 

[MDMcAtee]

Let me know when it's out.

Community reviews are some of my favorite things to read since they're usually devices purchased with one's owned money, which does help with being as fair as possible.

Though I've kinda summarized the U11 with this.

"If you're looking for a solid flagship with an 835 and you're not keen on going to new aspect ratios until they're widely accepted, the U11 is worth a look."

Honestly, though, I don't think you'll be disappointed. The S8 is currently still my favorite, but the U11 is shaping up to be a very compelling alternative, especially if you're not keen on 2:1 aspect ratios just yet.

The whole aspect ratio thing boils down to the source material being viewed which will dictate how it's presented.

Having to utilize the display as small as it is, with any type of letter boxing negates any advantage of a stretched screen image. While I understand what Samsung is trying to achieve for the gaming community, trying to change a industry standard isn't going to happen, especially when you are trying cast it to a larger screen.

I'm a practical type of person, and can see things from multiple viewpoints, but I am at a bit of a loss on phones having this. A full screen with no loss of picture quality vs a stretched screen with letter boxes and a smaller viewable image does not make a lot of sense to me on the face of it right now.

I'll have to actually try different things with it and see if it works easily or not and if has any redeeming benefits to do it this way.

It will be a few weeks before my review of them is up, and it will be posted on this forum so I am sure you will see it.

Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

It will be a few weeks before my review of them is up, and it will be posted on this forum so I am sure you will see it.

I'll lookout for them.

I'm glad we had this conversation together. Learned a couple of stuff.