Nexus 4 vs Nexus 5

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Well then how can you make a statement like "The Moto X is not the next Nexus." ?

Well, to start, it isn't called a Nexus...

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[Fairclough]

It could be a variant e.g how the nexus 4 is of the optimus g but not the same

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[TheLibertarian]

It could be a variant e.g how the nexus 4 is of the optimus g but not the same

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I think that seems unlikely only for the fact that these upcoming Google-Moto devices are supposed to be so unique that I don't think Google would want to dilute the product.

I get the feeling the X is going to be unique and entirely set apart from other devices, and to experience those features you'll have to buy that specific model, rather than Google sharing said features with other Android devices. They'll be bragging rights for Motorola that set themselves apart from the Galaxy's, iPhone's, and even Nexus devices.

 

[Ry]

Can someone please post any links to evidence of a Nexus "5"? I'm looking for FCC docs, or Bluetooth SIG docs, or a Google announcement.

I'll take case leaks or part leaks as well.

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[Ry]

Any chance you are a deep cell sleeper agent for Google who just got activated?? If so, this is the first concrete evidence I've seen that the Nexus 5 will be subsidized.

You probably don't believe that Google is subsidizing the Nexus 4.

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[jdbii]

You probably don't believe that Google is subsidizing the Nexus 4.

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How so?

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[severinj]

The specs, like the Nexus 4, won't be cutting edge and the hardware won't be the latest and greatest but it will be a super solid phone that will be offered GSM no contract through Google Play.

what in the hell are you talking about? this revisionist history is pretty disgusting. the nexus 4 was released with cutting edge specs besides the fact it didn't have direct access to lte.

it absolutely **** on every other flagship that came out around it besides the droid dna (2nd phone ever to have 1080p screen, also released after nexus 4)

at which point did you think the nexus 4 was just "solid" specs? one of the first phones to have an adreno 320 and an s4 pro was just whatever, huh?

maybe you were thinking of the galaxy nexus which samsung released with a worse cpu and gpu than the galaxy s2. the nexus 4 was one of the most powerful phones on the market up until a couple months ago, and still isn't far from it.

 

[TheLibertarian]

Can someone please post any links to evidence of a Nexus "5"? I'm looking for FCC docs, or Bluetooth SIG docs, or a Google announcement.

I'll take case leaks or part leaks as well.

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There will be another Nexus phone. Why nitpick what we call it? Doesn't matter if it's called the Nexus 5 or the Nexus Infinity and Beyond... You clearly understand what users are referencing.

The specs, like the Nexus 4, won't be cutting edge and the hardware won't be the latest and greatest but it will be a super solid phone that will be offered GSM no contract through Google Play.

Name three phones that featured higher hardware specifications than the Nexus 4 at the time of its release.

Good luck.

The N4 was indisputably a high end device with top level hardware; learn before you post.

 

[ChappersUK]

Whilst trying to desperately drag this thread back on topic and hopefully prevent a bun-fight, my take on the whole phone/spec/new release etc thing is this: Whatever top-spec phone handset you buy today will be second-rate in a couple of months or so. Certainly in 12 months time it is likely to be a dinosaur by comparison to whatever the manufacturers are pushing.

I recently changed my handset from an HTC Sensation. This was purchased about 18 months ago when it and the Samsung SGS2 were going head-to-head as the top spec phones to have. Using it now is like waiting for a glacier to change direction compared to the N4 or any top-spec devices. Now, after much research I initially decided to splash the cash and by the HTC One as it is arguably the best handset on the market at the moment based on specs and user interface. Unfortunately my handset developed a fault and had to be returned. The replacement had a different fault and so I got a full refund. I then re-evaluated my requirements. I don't need big speakers on the front and Blinkfeed was a PITA, I don't like Samsung/Touchwizz and the SGS4 is very laggy. The Xperia Z is not top spec despite the spin by Sony so I purchased the N4 a couple of weeks ago - even though it is a 6/7 month old handset design & spec - and I honestly could not be happier. There are only 2 handsets with better specs (HTC One & SGS4) and both of them suffer from their respective UI eating up all and more of the extra grunt & power afforded them. I also find that a lot of apps on those handsets lag or stutter due to the UI interference - the N4 "just works" - and works very quickly. I actually find it faster in real world usage than my HTC One was.

Yes, in another 5 months it will be superseded by a replacement (so will the HTC, Samsung etc) but unless LTE is a requirement then I doubt that whatever replaces it will be that much of a leap forward technology or spec wise. My own advice would be to buy yourself an N4 and enjoy it. It is fairly future-proof (LTE excepted) as it will continue to receive support & updates direct from Google long after Samsung & HTC forget about their current flagship devices.

 

[Captainbob767]

Whilst trying to desperately drag this thread back on topic and hopefully prevent a bun-fight, my take on the whole phone/spec/new release etc thing is this: Whatever top-spec phone handset you buy today will be second-rate in a couple of months or so. Certainly in 12 months time it is likely to be a dinosaur by comparison to whatever the manufacturers are pushing.

I recently changed my handset from an HTC Sensation. This was purchased about 18 months ago when it and the Samsung SGS2 were going head-to-head as the top spec phones to have. Using it now is like waiting for a glacier to change direction compared to the N4 or any top-spec devices. Now, after much research I initially decided to splash the cash and by the HTC One as it is arguably the best handset on the market at the moment based on specs and user interface. Unfortunately my handset developed a fault and had to be returned. The replacement had a different fault and so I got a full refund. I then re-evaluated my requirements. I don't need big speakers on the front and Blinkfeed was a PITA, I don't like Samsung/Touchwizz and the SGS4 is very laggy. The Xperia Z is not top spec despite the spin by Sony so I purchased the N4 a couple of weeks ago - even though it is a 6/7 month old handset design & spec - and I honestly could not be happier. There are only 2 handsets with better specs (HTC One & SGS4) and both of them suffer from their respective UI eating up all and more of the extra grunt & power afforded them. I also find that a lot of apps on those handsets lag or stutter due to the UI interference - the N4 "just works" - and works very quickly. I actually find it faster in real world usage than my HTC One was.

Yes, in another 5 months it will be superseded by a replacement (so will the HTC, Samsung etc) but unless LTE is a requirement then I doubt that whatever replaces it will be that much of a leap forward technology or spec wise. My own advice would be to buy yourself an N4 and enjoy it. It is fairly future-proof (LTE excepted) as it will continue to receive support & updates direct from Google long after Samsung & HTC forget about their current flagship devices.

Totally disagree. Tell us the astounding and dramatic Improvements in the last three models of the iPhone and how each made the previous model obsolete.

 

[redhedge]

the N5 will not be in the same price range as the N4, period.

one of the only reasons this phone was offered so cheap was because of the lack of LTE support. it was a way for google to sell the phone without LTE while every other phone on the market had it, inlcuding the beloved iphone... i would expect the N5 to be priced similarly to the htc one and gs4 running stock android... for those of you expecting it to be priced the same, i fear you will be disappointed.

IMHO, I disagree on two points:

The N4?s lack of LTE was for multi-carrier compatibility as the LTE standard covers a range of many different bands, each of which is designated by both a frequency and a band number. Moreover, the limited LTE that was available at the launch was not FCC certified thus removed in 4.2.2.

More important however is price: 1) Most western citizens are over-leveraged and without a job. 2) The bulk of smartphone buyers are already committed in multi-year contracts. It will be very difficult (next to impossible) for manufacturers to maintain their current margins going forward. Downward pressure will hit both products and stock prices.

 

[Captainbob767]

There will be a new Google-Motorola phone expected to be shown next week at the Google Plex that some industry Tech experts are invited to. They will be showing Motorola's latest product which is fully made in the US and will be customer customizable. . Should be interesting. They have a 5,000 square foot factory in Texas, and you will be able to get it at all US carriers. Some people think this will be the next, Nexus. They expect the customer to be able to have their name engraved on the back.

 

[Farish]

You probably don't believe that Google is subsidizing the Nexus 4.

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I dont believe they are. We have seen the cost of parts on these phones. Even at 300 dollars there is probably at first release a 33 percent profit margin. Assuming the cost to make the phone at the time was around 200 dollars. The Galaxy S4 is around 210 dollars to make.

We are just use to other phone manufacturers making with high levels of markup. The computer industry started out like that also and now when HP sells a pc, they are lucky to make 60 dollars on a 500 dollar model.

 

[mrvco]

I dont believe they are. We have seen the cost of parts on these phones. Even at 300 dollars there is probably at first release a 33 percent profit margin. Assuming the cost to make the phone at the time was around 200 dollars. The Galaxy S4 is around 210 dollars to make.

We are just use to other phone manufacturers making with high levels of markup. The computer industry started out like that also and now when HP sells a pc, they are lucky to make 60 dollars on a 500 dollar model.

Just by selecting it, branding it Nexus and selling it Google is subsidizing it. Does that mean that Google is selling the N4 at cost or below? Doubtful, but I'm sure that LG gave them a very good price since "Nexus Exclusivity" has to be big boost for their typically second tier brand image.

 

[recDNA]

If it is state of the art hardware with lte and on vzw I don't mind if the price is high. If moto makes it it should have good radios and great developer support. I'm holding off on gs4 for now just hoping... and fully expecting to be disappointed.

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[Ry]

I dont believe they are. We have seen the cost of parts on these phones. Even at 300 dollars there is probably at first release a 33 percent profit margin. Assuming the cost to make the phone at the time was around 200 dollars. The Galaxy S4 is around 210 dollars to make.

We are just use to other phone manufacturers making with high levels of markup. The computer industry started out like that also and now when HP sells a pc, they are lucky to make 60 dollars on a 500 dollar model.

Parts only.

Factor in hardware/software dev hours, manufacturing/assembly costs, packaging, shipping, handling, license fees, marketing, facilities, etc.

I firmly believe Google is eating some sort of cost on the Nexus 4.

The evidence that makes me believe that - full retail on other/similar phones, T-Mobile (and other carriers/stores) don't sell it for full retail on the Google Play price, the Google Play Galaxy Nexus was more expensive.

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[Ry]

There will be another Nexus phone. Why nitpick what we call it? Doesn't matter if it's called the Nexus 5 or the Nexus Infinity and Beyond... You clearly understand what users are referencing.

I believe there will be a new Nexus phone this year. But my only basis is that there has been one every year.

There is no evidence that it will actually happen though, let alone be called Nexus 5.

Will the N5 be priced similarly to the N4 or will it become a $200-300 w/ contract (dealbreaker for me) like the GS4 or has it lways been Google's policy to offer the Nexus phones unlocked and cheap?

No one can definitively answer the OP's questions.

The trend says the next Nexus phone should be cheaper. Look at the cost of the Nexus One to the Nexus 4. But we won't know until there is an announcement.

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[Fairclough]

Parts only.

Factor in hardware/software dev hours, manufacturing/assembly costs, packaging, shipping, handling, license fees, marketing, facilities, etc.

I firmly believe Google is eating some sort of cost on the Nexus 4.

The evidence that makes me believe that - full retail on other/similar phones, T-Mobile (and other carriers/stores) don't sell it for full retail on the Google Play price, the Google Play Galaxy Nexus was more expensive.

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Iphones total labour was $7. Shipping we pay for well least over here we do straight from the factory. Os is minute as its split across multiple phones.

It would have to be close to breaking even if not a profit. There were no ads here.

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[Ry]

Iphones total labour was $7. Shipping we pay for well least over here we do straight from the factory. Os is minute as its split across multiple phones.

It would have to be close to breaking even if not a profit. There were no ads here.

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Development of Android itself? Hardware engineers. Software engineers. Test engineers. FCC testing. etc. etc.

 

[Farish]

Development of Android itself? Hardware engineers. Software engineers. Test engineers. FCC testing. etc. etc.

Android stock experience is developed regardless whether a Nexus device exists. Some of those other costs is probably absorb by LG. It is a unique setup indeed. I would not be surprised if through Motorola future generations of the Nexus phone is developed as Google can 100 percent control the costs and profit in that sort of scenario.

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