Not a "real Nexus?" WTF?

[Ry]

Since the CDMA Nexus came late in the game....there are probably different things involved now since the first Nexus launched that changes things. Since there was never a CDMA Nexus when the first one launched...its kinda hard to say what woulda have happened back then.

CDMA carriers just started using sim cards cuz of LTE. GSM has always used sim cards. Something like that might have made a difference with some things.

I didnt know Google listed the GSM G Nex as a developer phone?

Like it was so kindly pointed out to me earlier....this entire thread is about semantics. 2defmouze made a good point: "Fastboot OEM Unlock unlocks the bootloader." Now....the XOOM has Fastboot OEM unlock too, but the XOOM isnt listed as a Nexus tablet...AFAIK. Technically...one could consider the XOOM a Nexus tablet.

Semantics.

I kind of wish Google and Verizon put out the CDMA Nexus One together, instead of the original DROID Incredible. I wonder how some of these "not a real Nexus"-people would have reacted to that - probably the same.

I think I asked this earlier in this thread but I'm not sure if anyone answered. How did people feel about the CDMA Sprint Google Nexus S? I was on my hiatus from cell phone forums when it came out but I didn't notice any loud "not a real Nexus" blurbs coming out of blogs at the time.

The official developer devices have been the Android Dev Phone 1 (modified HTC Dream), Android Dev Phone 2 (modified HTC Magic), GSM Nexus One, GSM Nexus S, Xoom (WiFi-only), and the GSM Galaxy Nexus. Although no CDMA phones are officially developer devices, one could argue that the original Motorola DROID and HTC Evo 4G were developer phones - as they were devices handed out at Google I/O events.

ICS isn't coming to the Nexus One officially. Does that mean it's no longer a Nexus?

Again, semantics.

 

[Johnly]

I kind of wish Google and Verizon put out the CDMA Nexus One together, instead of the original DROID Incredible. I wonder how some of these "not a real Nexus"-people would have reacted to that - probably the same.

I think I asked this earlier in this thread but I'm not sure if anyone answered. How did people feel about the CDMA Sprint Google Nexus S? I was on my hiatus from cell phone forums when it came out but I didn't notice any loud "not a real Nexus" blurbs coming out of blogs at the time.

The official developer devices have been the Android Dev Phone 1 (modified HTC Dream), Android Dev Phone 2 (modified HTC Magic), GSM Nexus One, GSM Nexus S, Xoom (WiFi-only), and the GSM Galaxy Nexus. Although no CDMA phones are officially developer devices, one could argue that the original Motorola DROID and HTC Evo 4G were developer phones - as they were devices handed out at Google I/O events.

The OG Droid was the most amazing phone ever. It was so far ahead of its time, the display, the specs, the pure android.....man when that was it, those were the good ol' days
ICS isn't coming to the Nexus One officially. Does that mean it's no longer a Nexus?

Again, semantics.

 

[Johnly]

When you chose the definition, its easy to make it fit or, in this case, not fit your criteria and so not be a real nexus in your eyes. Its almost entirely subjective.

Flip side... here's how I define Nexus:
1. Vanilla Android.
2. Updates written and pushed by Google (the carrier taking their time to test and approve them does not negate the fact).
3. Will be officially updated to the latest version of android for approximately 2 years (maybe less these days due only to hardware limitations). Might not be updated as fast as a model without carrier testing and restrictions, but the updates will come.
4. FASTBOOT OEM UNLOCK unlocks the bootloader. Simple flash of SU package roots you.

That's about it that I can think of. This device fits my definition.

Yes, if the update is looked at by anyone besides google for aproval, then what, WHAT! POW!

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Isn't it crazy that you never, ever see anyone wondering if a GSM Nexus is a real Nexus? If the CDMA Nexus was a real Nexus would we really be having this discussion? Nope probably not.

The way I see it the CDMA Nexus can only be considered a "Nexus" because the word Nexus is in it's name. It might be called a Nexus but it is still just another Android phone. Nothing special about it at all.

Let's see here.

1. GSM Nexus is supported by Google and actually gets updates
2. GSM Nexus doesn't have carrier branding
3. GSM Nexus is actually sold by Google
4. GSM Nexus is listed as a developer device by Google
5. GSM Nexus doesn't have pre installed carrier apps (that I know of at least)

Now everyone on CDMA with a Nexus look at that list and compare it to your device. My VZW Galaxy Nexus is STILL on 4.0.2, it has ugly carrier branding that cannot be removed, it has carrier apps, Google doesn't sell it or even acknowledge that exists. It is a Nexus in name only. None of the things I wanted from a Nexus are available on this device. Not a single one of them.

If my Nexus is a "real Nexus" than the meaning of Nexus is now pointless and people might as well just stick with the other non supported Android devices.

Wow, it is always entertaining to read things like the above.

You must have been asked dreaming up the above when the "CDMA Nexus" received an update out of the box.

Judging by your post you must think you are someone important in the Google hierarchy given you believe you are the who defines what a "real" " Nexus is.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

When every other phone with ICS has a higher version and the number of phones with ICS grows daily, is it still a Nexus?

Did Google proclaim it is no longer a Nexus?

 

[mr.wizard]

Its still a Nexus. Its a dev phone. Only took 5 min to unlock the thing. The difference is the CDMA code not under open licences. Thats why we wait

 

[Ry]

Did Google proclaim it is no longer a Nexus?

Circles.

I don't think the "not a real Nexus" people are ever going to change.

 

[madisonjar]

Its still a Nexus. Its a dev phone. Only took 5 min to unlock the thing. The difference is the CDMA code not under open licences. Thats why we wait

this.

 

[Saiga]

Its still a Nexus. Its a dev phone. Only took 5 min to unlock the thing. The difference is the CDMA code not under open licences. Thats why we wait

LOL so please show me where Google calls it a Development phone. This isn't an officially supported Google development device. Remember, the big deal when Google turned it's back on it and all the other CDMA pretend Nexus devices.

Now the BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha, That is a development phone.

 

[Murph5150]

LOL so please show me where Google calls it a Development phone. This isn't an officially supported Google development device. Remember, the big deal when Google turned it's back on it and all the other CDMA pretend Nexus devices.

Now the BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha, That is a development phone.

If you call Verizon they will personally tell you Google is solely responsible for pushing out updates. Google will tell you the same. It is a true Nexus through and through.

 

[Johnly]

It is the newly defined nexus......Verizon stamped fool.

 

[Saiga]

If you call Verizon they will personally tell you Google is solely responsible for pushing out updates. Google will tell you the same. It is a true Nexus through and through.

So it's a development phone now? I just checked the list of officially supported Google development phones and there strangely is no mention of the CDMA devices any more.

Does this mean that the term nexus now applies to non development devices also? Lol This device is completely destroying what nexus used to mean.

 

[2defmouze]

So it's a development phone now? I just checked the list of officially supported Google development phones and there strangely is no mention of the CDMA devices any more.

Does this mean that the term nexus now applies to non development devices also? Lol This device is completely destroying what nexus used to mean.

The phone is a nexus. It's called a nexus. Google says it is a nexus. If it doesn't fit your personal definition of Nexus, then that is that.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

 

[Johnly]

Official support through and through defined the nexus.

 

[Ry]

Circles.

I don't think the "not a real Nexus" people are ever going to change.

 

[Saiga]

The phone is a nexus. It's called a nexus. Google says it is a nexus. If it doesn't fit your personal definition of Nexus, then that is that.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

It doesn't fit anyone's personal definition. None of the advantages of owning a Nexus are there except the removal of OEM skins. Lol Nexus used to mean the best of the best. Like Bold, You buy a Bold and you know it's the best BB available at the time. Didn't matter which carrier you bought it from. Now Nexus means Meh unless you are on GSM.

Does it fit your personal definition? If they had named a jitterbug a Nexus would you still like it? I guess so since it would be a Nexus right?

When people asked for a Nexus on VZW they wanted the benefits seen from the other GSM Nexus devices. Not just a name.

 

[Ry]

It doesn't fit anyone's personal definition. None of the advantages of owning a Nexus are there except the removal of OEM skins. Lol Nexus used to mean the best of the best. Like Bold, You buy a Bold and you know it's the best BB available at the time. Didn't matter which carrier you bought it from. Now Nexus means Meh unless you are on GSM.

Does it fit your personal definition? If they had named a jitterbug a Nexus would you still like it? I guess so since it would be a Nexus right?

When people asked for a Nexus on VZW they wanted the benefits seen from the other GSM Nexus devices. Not just a name.

Cool story, bro. You should tell Google to stop calling their phone a "Nexus".

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[Saiga]

Cool story, bro. You should tell Google to stop calling their phone a "Nexus".

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Uhm it isn't their phone.

Crazy... My Nexus doesn't say Google on it any where, yet It says Verizon.

Bah

 

[Ry]

Uhm it isn't their phone.

Crazy... My Nexus doesn't say Google on it any where, yet It says Verizon.

Bah

Cool story, bro. You should tell Google to sue anyone that calls the Galaxy Nexus a Nexus phone.

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[Saiga]

Cool story, bro. You should tell Google to sue anyone that calls the Galaxy Nexus a Nexus phone.

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Ah poor guy couldn't come up with an explanation for that one. Yep its Google's phone alright. Yet they don't put their name on it any where and they don't sell it themselves. Lol

See you had the phone I own confused with a GSM GALAXY Nexus. You know the Nexus that has "Google" on the back and is actually sold by Google and IS a development device. I know it's confusing.