Everything Verizon has done concerning their 4G phones has been done in a weird way to me. starting with the Thuderbolt "Delay" to the Charge release/cancel/re-release. The scrapping of the Bionic as we knew it and the whisper-like release of the Revolution. I'm starting to think Verizon rushed LTE out in order to keep up with the 4G joneses. I don't understand how there can be no word on 4G hotspot prices at this point when you have 3 4G devices released and one going on 3 months now.
Official hotspot pricing yet?
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Punishment would be if Verizon *forced* you to get a 4G phone and pay higher premiums on all your services for 4G regardless of if you had 4G or not.
The MHS/MBBC pricing that we do not know yet is not for 4G service, its for 4G devices.
If you wanted the known $20/2GB feature, you might have considered a 3G device instead, but personally I would not complain as you have unlimited 4G data on your phone for the same as what people pay for 3G data. The MHS/MBBC is not a requirement.
The hotspot is officially extended through the 6th of July!
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Motorola scrapped the original Bionic not Verizon as for keeping up with the Jones nothing could be further from the truth. Verizon has been laying the groundwork on a carefully planned timetable for over two years.
Sprint's wimax network is a fraction the size of Verizon's LTE and they only beat Verizon out the gate by just over 6 months. These two companies are the only true 4g networks. Speed arguments aside. LTE and wimax are totally new networks while HSPA+ Is only an enhancement of an already existing network. They were bound to have more birthing and growing pains.
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Surely you are mistaken. Unlimited 4G data on a phone is not possible in a 3G area. Verizon would not be so foolish as to charge its 3G customers for a service that is not available to them.
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Actually they will. Sprint did it with the EVO last year too. We may not live in a 4g area yet but that is no guarantee we will not visit there at some point and eventually the entire network will be 4g. Or at least that's the logic behind it.
You know, after all this discussion it has just occurred to me that there may be a possibility that VZW might decide to let you sign up for the MHS either as a cheaper 3G service or upgrade to a more expensive 4G service at any time in the future. Even switch back and forth. Reportedly, you'll be provisioning this yourself. Just speculation. Comments?
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-Frank
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I have a friend that has the EVO and is paying the 4G "premium" and he lives in a 3g area.
I have heard no plans of Verizon charging special premiums for 4G like Sprint does... Although Sprint's 4G fee turned into a all-around smartphone fee.
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Wont happen, it would be a logistical nightmare on their side of things keeping the provisioning right in their systems, and people would try to hack the phone and cheat the system just as they do now to get the MHS free.
That's not what I meant. Sprint didnt allow any exceptions for the 4G data feature requirement for people who lived in areas where they did not get 4G. Never meant to imply VZW was going to do the same thing as Sprint just that they would be highly unlikely to allow any sort of exceptions to the 4G data requirement for 4G capable phones.
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Now where were we?
Oh yeah, mobile hotspot use. I have tried to use it daily at work on a iPod touch for streaming audio, an iPad for browsing and a netbook for browsing. 3G only except when I took a roadtrip to Lahaina to try the 4G. 4G disconnected after 4 of 5 minutes and made browsing with the iPad a pain. (No upgrade of firmware yet.) The 3G worked while driving around fairly well. Streaming on the TBolt is better but you gotta have it plugged in.
I was told when it began to cost money it would be $20.00 "unlimited data". We shall see if that is true.
Very near my workplace is a new tower that VZW has installed antennae on. I was told it was being turned on this week. Just in time for the hotspot feature to cost bucks. Funny guys these!
Oh yeah, mobile hotspot use. I have tried to use it daily at work on a iPod touch for streaming audio, an iPad for browsing and a netbook for browsing. 3G only except when I took a roadtrip to Lahaina to try the 4G. 4G disconnected after 4 of 5 minutes and made browsing with the iPad a pain. (No upgrade of firmware yet.) The 3G worked while driving around fairly well. Streaming on the TBolt is better but you gotta have it plugged in.
I was told when it began to cost money it would be $20.00 "unlimited data". We shall see if that is true.
Very near my workplace is a new tower that VZW has installed antennae on. I was told it was being turned on this week. Just in time for the hotspot feature to cost bucks. Funny guys these!
We disagree. There are tons of things we provision ourselves, voice plans, data plans, text plans, Family plans, VoiceMail, and more. Piece of cake. All the MHS provisioning system would have to do is to ask you to confirm your intentions (to or from 3G/4G MHS) with the appropriate disclaimer, and bang, you're done.
BTW, VZW has already stated that MHS will be a self-provisioned feature.
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Please go back and reread my post because you completely missed my point. I never said that it is not a feature that would be self provisioned. What I said was that making sure that people were provisioned for and paying for the feature they are actually using would be a logistical nightmare..
Joe cel phone user gets his HTC Thunderbolt (or Charge or Revolution, does not matter) and provisions MHS/MBBC for 3G data only. Now the only real way Verizon has of enforcing that would be to disable the LTE radio in the handset. However, as all of us know things like that can be circumvented by rooting the phone and hacking things a little. Joe then gets LTE data for the price or 3G.
Now I suspect you or someone else will point out that people do this for tethering on phones to enable the tethering feature that is normally disabled, and you are right they do. However the carriers have numerous ways to tell weather you are tethering or not. First and foremost is a dramatic increase in data usage (more than say 5gb or so of data and odds are high you are tethering). There are also telltale signs of tethering in your data packets that they can find if they are looking for them.
Carriers do audits of these things all the time to make sure accounts are provisioned properly and while not every offender is caught and billed (or shut off) many are (we just don't necessarily hear about them here); but this is much harder to differentiate. As more people tether/use MHS there are more accounts that would need to be looked at in more detail to assure they were provisioned for the feature they are actually using.
I am not saying it is not possible because it is, I am just saying the opportunity cost (customer goodwill) of the overhead associated with it (more staff, better computer algorithms to scan data usage) are prohibitive. It is much easier for the carrier to say 'this is a 4g deice, so you get a 4G MHS/MBBC plan.
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