Pixel 2 vs V30

BruceLeeX

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Hello everyone, coming off the LG V10 and having loved its camera its getting close for me to upgrade and I'm torn between the Pixel 2 XL Because of the praise it has been getting about its camera and the LG V30. My main concern is that I do a lot of backpacking and hiking and sometimes like to opt for less weight and just want to bring my smartphone as my camera vs my DSLR.

I loved that with the V10 I can bust out manual setting for taking my photos. They may not come out close to my other cameras but it was nice to take those manual shots and have them saved RAW.

So for my question for the pixel is if there is any Manual settings baked into the phone or if I should just go with an app. Or just all together drop the want for manual settings on phones and trust the auto on the pixel or V30
 
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Pixels are auto beasts. No real manual options unless you download a third party app like Camera FV-5
 
Bro the v30 is not even in the same ballpark as the p2xl unless u just have to have that dac or dual camera.
 
If you're going auto forget the V30. Tested it out for two weeks while waiting for the Pixel and hoping it was better than the V20.
Auto mode on the Pixel is hard to beat.
 
Perhaps not the best to weigh in as I don't yet own the Pixel XL2 (coming soon), but for what it's worth, I have spent a very large amount of time and have looked online at a lot (and I mean a lot... no seriously, a lot) of images from a very wide spectrum of sites taken with the V30 and the Pixel 2 as it came down to these two for me as well.

I was initially set on the V30, as it has so much going for it. It really does. And as important as updates are for me, if the V30 had all the potential and ability photographically speaking that the Pixel 2 does, and had the output that the Pixel 2 does, all with that wide angle lens to boot (mmm...) - It would be my pick. But the V30 doesn't have near the output of the Pixel 2, and I foresee further refinement in the Pixel 2 via the Pixel Core that is just now getting tapped into.

Some may actually prefer the way the V30 renders and there's nothing wrong with that. It's a matter of taste. I'm a Fujifilm shooter and my workhorse lens is the prime Fujifilm 35mm 1.4, which in my opinion draws/renders beautifully. That is very important to me. My taste in images - More of a film like appearance that doesn't look "digital," great color, good contrast and tack sharp but without the dramatically over sharpened look. All in all, a rendering and character of sorts that you see but can be harder to quantify.

The V30 images are good, but the thing I see time after time is that they are often over sharpened out of the box (for my taste). They aren't bad, they just don't have the render and character. The Pixel 2 on the other hand, what I see is that intangible but beautiful render that I prefer. And I see it time after time after time.

I do a lot of night time/dimly lit work and so low light ability is very important to me. There's low light comparison videos testing the V30, Pixel 2 and Note 8 to be found on Youtube, but the bottom line is that the V30 has a smaller sensor and simply can't keep up with the Pixel 2.

However on the flip side, the wide angle of the V30 would be really nice to have on a hike up top of the likes of Engineer Pass. And the video output abilities if you have the time in post...? Wow.

All in all for me though, the way the Pixel 2 renders... even with the automation factor, it's the best render I've seen out of a smartphone, and it far surpasses the V30. Besides, I can still (and will) do on the fly post processing when needed, and I believe that long term, raw or not, manual or not, the Pixel 2 will give me more headroom to do so. It's really quite something what this phone is doing image wise. Just my two cents.

Cheers
 
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@TrueBlueknew Thanks for the info, I actually forgot that Pixel Core the camera will get better over time. Yeah, the wide angle for me from the V30 would be perfect for those hikes and that's what killing me in deciding which one to go for. I am more leaning towards the Pixel 2 now and if I need a wide angle Ill just bring my DSLR lol
 
@TrueBlueknew Thanks for the info, I actually forgot that Pixel Core the camera will get better over time. Yeah, the wide angle for me from the V30 would be perfect for those hikes and that's what killing me in deciding which one to go for. I am more leaning towards the Pixel 2 now and if I need a wide angle Ill just bring my DSLR lol
Use panorama mode.
 
So for my question for the pixel is if there is any Manual settings baked into the phone or if I should just go with an app. Or just all together drop the want for manual settings on phones and trust the auto on the pixel or V30

I owned a V30 for close to three weeks and I was all up in the camera's business the entire time... because that was really my only concern about the phone.

And I came away pretty disappointed. As you mentioned, the V30's processing is not just a problem, it's sort of a fatal flaw... at least for me. In good lighting, it does extremely well. It doesn't have to reduce noise or clean up much, so it basically can lean on the fact that it has a higher resolution sensor to provide excellent pictures. But when those pesky photons become a little bit harder to come by, well... the thing sort of falls flat on its face. Noise reduction and sharpening is done with a sledgehammer... I took a bunch of pictures of my kids and the quality was horrid... they all looked like I had used a camera from a phone from 4 years ago... skin tones obliterated and everything was soft and fuzzy. Inside, I rarely, if ever, got a shot I would consider usable... nevermind good.

Now.. with regards to manual controls. Yes, the V30 gives users great manual control over the camera out of the box. But I don't really see that as something to boast about. To be honest, users NEED those manual controls to try to squeeze something good out of the thing under even slightly challenging conditions.. and even then, no level of exposure or ISO adjustment will compensate for what I consider to be inferior hardware. I've never heard a photographer be happy to hear that the next generation of their favorite camera went with a smaller sensor. When I am taking a picture of my son, the LAST thing I want to do is be forced to take a longer exposure.

The Pixel 2 only comes with a minimum of manual controls with the stock app. You get a little bit of exposure compensation.. a little brighter or a little darker, that's about it. But it doesn't need to. I've been a huge proponent of their HDR+ processing system for years now, ever since the first real opportunity to use HDR+ on my Nexus 5 at a vacation in Disney, when a Disney photographer was shocked that they got such a good night shot out of a phone. There is no better system at taking 'real' pictures... shots that look like an actual photograph, not a digitally processed representation of one.

The Pixel 2 (XL in my case) has the type of camera where you can pick it up and take a shot without fussing much at all, and you'll get a sharp, well focused picture that didn't blow out highlights or turn people's faces into oil paintings. If I really want to play with the settings and take something a little bit our of the ordinary, I can just use a good third party camera app. But I rarely do because I rarely NEED to... because you are going to be hard pressed to get a single shot to the same level of quality that HDR+ (up to) 12 exposures can yield.

So bright, dark, bright AND dark... I am going to get the best shot that I could really hope to get from a phone... with a single tap and zero thought.
 
I had the V30 for about 3 weeks and loved the device for the most part (sent it back because LTE reception was poor). The camera was OK under auto settings for me, I would say a step back from the S7 I used to have. The Pixel 2XL blows it out of the water in poor lighting conditions.
 
I have made a decision! First of all I like to thank everyone for their input and experience on both devices. The choice was clear and I went with the Pixel 2 XL!

Many factors went into my ultimate conclusion and the main ones were the camera, and the OTA updates from Google instead of waiting carrier approval. This will be my 2nd Android phone coming off many Windows 10 phones and really appreciated that MS kept their phones updated instead of waiting on AT&T. My V10 wasn't often updated and I like knowing Google is gonna keep supporting this phone for years to come.

Again thank you everyone and I'm excited to receive my new Pixel phone in the mail soon.
 
With all the problems reported from 2 XL I keep waiting for a huge price reduction that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. It would be a great $600 phone but for $900 I'll buy the Note 8 or wait for an iPhone X plus.
 
With all the problems reported from 2 XL I keep waiting for a huge price reduction that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. It would be a great $600 phone but for $900 I'll buy the Note 8 or wait for an iPhone X plus.
There are as many issues with the iPhone X as was written about the pixel 2 XL. There are many of us on here who have one with zero issues so I wouldn't rule it out personally it's a great phone.
 
There are as many issues with the iPhone X as was written about the pixel 2 XL. There are many of us on here who have one with zero issues so I wouldn't rule it out personally it's a great phone.
I know but I like the UI of the X. Screen is too small so I'm waiting (hoping) for an X plus to be released. Problems should be solved by then.
 
With all the problems reported from 2 XL I keep waiting for a huge price reduction that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. It would be a great $600 phone but for $900 I'll buy the Note 8 or wait for an iPhone X plus.

It's still on sale right now at the Google store, so I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by this. Unless you mean a deeper sale, that is.
 

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