Remind me why I went with a NEXUS

[ChuckG73]

I guess part Thanks for everyone's comments. I am just being impatient I guess.

 

[evperry]

Its painless to those of you who have been through the process. For the rest of us, its a challenge that comes with a possiblity (albeit small one) of bricking the phone.

I run a business from my phone and I dont have the time or patience to deal with my mistake. I also knocking on 40 so Im not sure if I have the energy to deal with it.

I just want JB.

I am researching Tmobile right now. I am very willing ot break my cotract if I can determine that tmobile covers my area well (and indoors). Im in NYC and Verizon speeds are amazing our here.

"you should not have to"... is just idealism.

rooting and romming is painless. i've had jb for months. i've seen the one-x and the g3 come and i am without the slightest bit of envy.

you went with the gnex because it's a fantastic device.

 

[ChuckG73]

Verizon has slow updates period. Like u said, if u don't like it get the unlocked version. Complaining will do nothing Verizon could care less. The guy above me makes a great point. If the update is what bugs you sooooooooo much why the hell would you get a RAZR Max. That almost makes it seem like us just complaining to complain because obviously the Max won't see jb for a looooong time.

Sent from my galaxy nexus running jelly bean!

If I am going to have to wait for updates....was my point. Now that Google owns Motorola Mobility, I would still have to wait but at least I would have the expectation.

 

[6tr6tr]

leave Verizon and let them know why. they only understand money so speak with yours

 

[menschmaschine5]

I am researching Tmobile right now. I am very willing ot break my cotract if I can determine that tmobile covers my area well (and indoors). Im in NYC and Verizon speeds are amazing our here.

Having grown up in New York City, it seems to me that all 4 carriers have pretty good service there with the possible exception of AT&T. You'll probably be fine with T-Mobile, but careful venturing too far out of NYC (for example, I know it hardly works at all in Princeton, New Jersey, which is just 60 or so miles away).

If I am going to have to wait for updates....was my point. Now that Google owns Motorola Mobility, I would still have to wait but at least I would have the expectation.

Really, if you're on a CDMA network, particularly Verizon, your expectation should be to wait. Or if you have a carrier provided phone on any American network (the GSM Nexus is unlocked, so it's not subject to carrier standards). The G Nex will probably get JB long before any other Verizon phone does, though.

 

[Dr0me]

the update schedule is definitely one of the worst parts of android sadly. I took the time to learn and flashed the leaked build and it is running great but I had to wait for the official build to leak due to work email restrictions. It is frustrating that Google doesn't throw their weight around a little more to speed up the process but at the end of the day, waiting two months longer than the GSM folks is not that big of a deal. Now that i have a VZW nexus on JB i get to enjoy it's 4G LTE splendor on the best network in the world. The GSM people have been running JB for longer but their network speeds blow in comparison. The VZW push is 99.99999% going to happen in the next two months but yea the waiting is agony.

I had been considering switching to a GSM nexus for my next phone but have now realized that waiting 2 extra months to get a new update could be worth the faster network unless ATT steps their game up.

 

[ChuckG73]

the update schedule is definitely one of the worst parts of android sadly. I took the time to learn and flashed the leaked build and it is running great but I had to wait for the official build to leak due to work email restrictions. It is frustrating that Google doesn't throw their weight around a little more to speed up the process but at the end of the day, waiting two months longer than the GSM folks is not that big of a deal. Now that i have a VZW nexus on JB i get to enjoy it's 4G LTE splendor on the best network in the world. The GSM people have been running JB for longer but their network speeds blow in comparison. The VZW push is 99.99999% going to happen in the next two months but yea the waiting is agony.



I had been considering switching to a GSM nexus for my next phone but have now realized that waiting 2 extra months to get a new update could be worth the faster network unless ATT steps their game up.

My wife and I are going out of the country for a vacation at the end of November, I am hoping the new Nexus comes out and I will buy that from the Google store and have a spare GSM phone. Then I can test drive the other networks and make a decision when my contract with Verizon ends.

 

[imtoomuch]

We all feel your pain as the overwhelming majority of us have been frustrated by owning a device that didn't get updated. If Android ever dies, and I sure hope it doesn't, this will be the main reason.

Google needs to regain control of Android. It's splitting into too many directions and it's really closed source on many brands of phones. These things make updates even slower or completely nonexistent. Google needs to get rid of the closed source part - manufacturer's skins.

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[2defmouze]

We all feel your pain as the overwhelming majority of us have been frustrated by owning a device that didn't get updated. If Android ever dies, and I sure hope it doesn't, this will be the main reason.

Google needs to regain control of Android. It's splitting into too many directions and it's really closed source on many brands of phones. These things make updates even slower or completely nonexistent. Google needs to get rid of the closed source part - manufacturer's skins.

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Android being free and open source is the reason it's become as huge a success as it is. Licensing regulations require OEM's who create custom versions of Android (the term 'skins' is wrongly used - they are custom, Android-based operating systems, just like independent ROM developers create using AOSP) to share very little of their changes back. Google cannot force OEM's to update their customized Android-based OS's faster nor can they force them to open source the changes they make, however they can (and do) provide increasing numbers of tools to make updating faster and easier, such as the PDK which began with Jellybean. Nexus devices are the only devices Google can write updates for and make available ASAP. And while carriers (i.e. Verizon) may require what appear to be insane delays in approving said updates, in the grand scheme of things it isn't that big a deal that something like the VZW Nexus has to wait 2 months for update approval.

To summarize: Android's open source status is the reason for its success, and also the reason that there is only so much 'control' Google can take over the way OEM's use it. Android Central also recently published this editorial about forks / "skins" / etc in Android and why it's just a part of the game and not necessarily a bad thing, if you haven't read it check it out: Editorial: Could there soon be a new fork in the Android road? | Android Central

 

[bigdaddytee]

Galaxy Nexus. On Verizon. With ICS. Not rooted. Not ROM'd. Not worried.

I will get an update to stable, approved Jelly Bean, soon.

Breathe deep. Be calm. Do not panic.

Sent from my (pretty awesome) SCH-i515

 

[trailblazen]

Galaxy Nexus. On Verizon. With ICS. Not rooted. Not ROM'd. Not worried.

I will get an update to stable, approved Jelly Bean, soon.

Breathe deep. Be calm. Do not panic.

Sent from my (pretty awesome) SCH-i515

ditto on this one top to bottom

 

[ChuckG73]

Do not get me wrong I will be patient I was just venting. Again though the reason I went with the Nexus is because I am an early adopter and was tired of waiting on OS updates. If I am going to have to wait because I am on Verizon I might as well go with a better built phone and get the Motorola Droid Maxx HD developer edition.

 

[2defmouze]

Do not get me wrong I will be patient I was just venting. Again though the reason I went with the Nexus is because I am an early adopter and was tired of waiting on OS updates. If I am going to have to wait because I am on Verizon I might as well go with a better built phone and get the Motorola Droid Maxx HD developer edition.

Eh... 2 issues with that:
1. If you think you are waiting too long for your Nexus update you definitely don't want a non Nexus phone. While I agree the Moto hardware is awesome, just wait a few months and you will see how long it takes for Moto to update their phones, let alone for those updates to then be approved by Verizon.
2. You do mention getting the developer edition, but the only advantage that will give you is an unlockable bootloader, not faster updates or anything like that. You'd still have to first hope the development community provides future updates at a nice pace for you, and second be willing to unlock the phone and flash them on your own.

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[evperry]

Enough complaining from me. I took action.

I ordered the GSM version yesterday from the Play store. Im in NYC. With Verizon LTE the BEST speed I have gotten is like 10-11 down. If Tmobile is anywhere close to that then my Verizon is gonna hit Ebay and Tmobile it will be with a back up SIM card from AT&T (I will use my Google Voice as my back up number).

What really pushed my over the edge is prepaid pricing. Its 59.99 a month unlimited voice and text with a 2GB data max (ok for me). My verizon is $100 a month and nothing is unlimited. I dont know if I will still gave to pay those extra fees as I do with the regular plan but if I don't my saving is closer to $60 a month. That is real money,

 

[ChuckG73]

Eh... 2 issues with that:
1. If you think you are waiting too long for your Nexus update you definitely don't want a non Nexus phone. While I agree the Moto hardware is awesome, just wait a few months and you will see how long it takes for Moto to update their phones, let alone for those updates to then be approved by Verizon.
2. You do mention getting the developer edition, but the only advantage that will give you is an unlockable bootloader, not faster updates or anything like that. You'd still have to first hope the development community provides future updates at a nice pace for you, and second be willing to unlock the phone and flash them on your own.

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You do not think that Google will change the rate to which the it pushes out the OS releases for Motorola phones. Trust me I lved the pain with my Droid X and Bionic..

 

[dmmarck]

Developer editions of phones never really result in a lot of development, mainly because no one buys them :/.

 

[2defmouze]

You do not think that Google will change the rate to which the it pushes out the OS releases for Motorola phones. Trust me I lved the pain with my Droid X and Bionic..

Can't really say one way or the other. We all know the official story is that Google isn't having any involvement in the phone business side of Moto... so if you take that at face value then you shouldn't expect anything to change. Additionally, remember that on when you deal with OEM versions of Android you are dealing with a whole different beast than AOSP-supported devices. Moto has to take the AOSP code, alter it completely and create their "Blur" version of the OS (which can take months depending on the device and on their priorities), test it on the device in question for a good deal of time before submitting it to VZW for additional testing (assuming no bugs are found, which is rare), then you have to deal with VZW's testing window which we all know is not fast, lol... etc etc...

So Moto has stated these new devices coming out will receive JB (or rather, Moto's version of JB) by the end of the year. This is already going to be months after the VZW Gnex receives it (fact, not debatable). It is highly likely that a new version of Android will already be out by then if they stick to their current cycle. If not, when there is a new version out, the update will be written and handed to Verizon for testing almost immediately after it is published to AOSP..... while Moto (and any other OEM who uses a customized version on Android) will again spend weeks-months building their custom versions from the AOSP code, and they'll be doing it for what will then be older phones that won't exactly have top priority for them, then go through the testing, bug fixing, submitting to VZW, VZW's testing, etc etc......

Point is... Nexus devices WILL continue to receive the quickest Android updates, especially AOSP-supported devices, and the difference will not even be close. A lot of people here are going to want to jump to disagree with me, but I'm stating facts that I'm not going to debate, and time will prove me correct, so I'm not going to entertain debates about it. Though I'm happy to engage in discussion about all things Android, of course

And yes I had a Bionic as well... bought the Gnex as soon as it came out and threw the Bionic up on craigslist. Best decision ever

 

[ConTejas]

You do not think that Google will change the rate to which the it pushes out the OS releases for Motorola phones. Trust me I lved the pain with my Droid X and Bionic..

No, I don't think so. Google bought Motorola MOBILITY (big difference) for its patents. That's pretty much it. Of course, it hopes the acquisition will add value to their shares, but it's all about the 17,000+ patents. Google lost the battle vs. Apple and Microsoft to buy up Novell's patents after its bankruptcy. The best software in the world is useless if you can't "sell it" to anyone. Google was very clear that Moto Mobility would opererate as its own separate entity without favor from its parent co....for now.

 

[Dr0me]

No, I don't think so. Google bought Motorola MOBILITY (big difference) for its patents. That's pretty much it. Of course, it hopes the acquisition will add value to their shares, but it's all about the 17,000+ patents. Google lost the battle vs. Apple and Microsoft to buy up Novell's patents after its bankruptcy. The best software in the world is useless if you can't "sell it" to anyone. Google was very clear that Moto Mobility would opererate as its own separate entity without favor from its parent co....for now.

Nortel Patents**

 

[cz9h3d]

Enough complaining from me. I took action.

I ordered the GSM version yesterday from the Play store. Im in NYC. With Verizon LTE the BEST speed I have gotten is like 10-11 down. If Tmobile is anywhere close to that then my Verizon is gonna hit Ebay and Tmobile it will be with a back up SIM card from AT&T (I will use my Google Voice as my back up number).

What really pushed my over the edge is prepaid pricing. Its 59.99 a month unlimited voice and text with a 2GB data max (ok for me). My verizon is $100 a month and nothing is unlimited. I dont know if I will still gave to pay those extra fees as I do with the regular plan but if I don't my saving is closer to $60 a month. That is real money,

Before you sign up for a 2 year T-Mobile contract, try a month of prepaid to ensure you get the connections/speed you desire. I tried the $30 for 100 minutes, unlimited text, 5GB data. This is the "Walmart" plan, so you need to order the sim for $0.99 from T-Mobile online, and activate it online - otherwise you will not see this plan option (if it interests you).