Snapdragon 800 Vs Apple A7

[Haalcyon]

Nope. All devices have 150ms+ input latency. Scientifically verified with a high speed camera and sensors. The lowest latency Android device to date is the Shield which is ~80ms but isn't really a phone. The rest all spike to 150-300ms under load i.e. scrolling.

This is what gives it the unresponsive feeling compared to iOS's 50ms. It doesn't matter how smooth it is.

This is a huge thread about the obviously existent issue and you pretend like it doens't exist.

Okay, for the sake of this thread and its not being derailed I'll agree with you. Since you have that are you able to cease with the 150ms stuff or is there more you need that we can help with?

 

[pappy53]

Nope. All devices have 150ms+ input latency. Scientifically verified with a high speed camera and sensors. The lowest latency Android device to date is the Shield which is ~80ms but isn't really a phone. The rest all spike to 150-300ms under load i.e. scrolling.

This is what gives it the unresponsive feeling compared to iOS's 50ms. It doesn't matter how smooth it is.

This is a huge thread about the obviously existent issue and you pretend like it doens't exist.

All I know is that my Maxx is just as responsive as any 5 or 5s, and I don't need "scientific tests " to prove otherwise. I depend on real-world use for results. I am sorry that you have a laggy phone, but don't try to group all of us into liars, just because our phones run better than yours.

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[Almeuit]

Nope. All devices have 150ms+ input latency. Scientifically verified with a high speed camera and sensors. The lowest latency Android device to date is the Shield which is ~80ms but isn't really a phone. The rest all spike to 150-300ms under load i.e. scrolling.

This is what gives it the unresponsive feeling compared to iOS's 50ms. It doesn't matter how smooth it is.

This is a huge thread about the obviously existent issue and you pretend like it doens't exist.

This thread is about processor speed in general. You're saying all Android lag.. And you can't prove it. You just say it and expect us to agree. Sorry I won't agree.. Why? I use my device heavy and have no lag issues.

So again sorry your phone does it.. Mine isn't doing it. So sorry to disappoint. And yes I've had iPhone before.. So it's not like I haven't tried both.

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[pappy53]

The LG870 forum is only a 150ms click away! j/k

 

[mrsmumbles]

The LG870 forum is only a 150ms click away! j/k

Does Kurian have one too?

Before I got my Nexus 5 I would have said my LG870 has not got such bad lag. Now though, wow. It's an amazing difference. My Nexus 5 has no lag and my LG870 has quite a lot. But the n5 has over twice as better specs. And no bloatware. It's the fastest computer I have ever had between Windows and Android. I've never had an apple anything but if it were faster than my n5 it would be phasing in and out of space/time.

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[Kettle]

About the latency issue....

Below is a link to an article that benchmarks the flagship phones for both Android and iOS. Do iOS devices take the crown? Yes, they do. Are all Android devices over 150ms? No, they are not. The S4 clocks in at 114ms while the HTC One clocks in at 121ms and the Moto X clocks in at 123ms. The Lumia 928 clocks in a 117ms so contrary to what was posted earlier Windows Phone does not outperform Android. The iPhone 5 and iPhone 4 clock in at 55ms and 85ms respectively.

The real question is, does 50ms to 80ms make a difference in the real world? Or, are other characteristics more important once you get under a specified threshold? In my mind that is obviously a rhetorical question. I personally feel the S4 is just as fast as the iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 has a 59ms advantage according to this test but that is faster than I can perceive, so to me, it really doesn't matter.

http://www.dailytech.com/Android+Flagships+Are+Twice+as+Slow+at+Touch+as+iPhone+5/article33428.htm


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[anon(5780458)]

About the latency issue....

Below is a link to an article that benchmarks the flagship phones for both Android and iOS. Do iOS devices take the crown? Yes, they do. Are all Android devices over 150ms? No, they are not. The S4 clocks in at 114ms while the HTC One clocks in at 121ms and the Moto X clocks in at 123ms. The Lumia 928 clocks in a 117ms so contrary to what was posted earlier Windows Phone does not outperform Android. The iPhone 5 and iPhone 4 clock in at 55ms and 85ms respectively.

The real question is, does 50ms to 80ms make a difference in the real world? Or, are other characteristics more important once you get under a specified threshold? In my mind that is obviously a rhetorical question. I personally feel the S4 is just as fast as the iPhone 5. The iPhone 5 has a 59ms advantage according to this test but that is faster than I can perceive, so to me, it really doesn't matter.

These tests are all on a blank screen with ZERO CPU usage. When you're running an app or scrolling in the browser the latency on Android spikes to 300ms. iOS remains well below 100ms. The Windows phone while having a higher idle latency, also doesn't become laggier under load.

Yes it makes a massive difference. There is a day and night difference in mouse/keyboard responsiveness between a 16ms latency monitor and a 6ms latency monitor (60Hz vs 144Hz). This is just the vBlank latency. The actual latency will be like (20ms + 16ms) vs (20ms + 6ms), meaning there is a massive visible difference between 36ms and 26ms.

Did you know WIRED input devices like the hardware keys and physical keyboards/gamepads have a 40ms (!!) latency on Android and < 4ms on other platforms?

 

[pappy53]

These tests are all on a blank screen with ZERO CPU usage. When you're running an app or scrolling in the browser the latency on Android spikes to 300ms. iOS remains well below 100ms. The Windows phone while having a higher idle latency, also doesn't become laggier under load.

Yes it makes a massive difference. There is a day and night difference in mouse/keyboard responsiveness between a 16ms latency monitor and a 6ms latency monitor (60Hz vs 144Hz). This is just the vBlank latency. The actual latency will be like (20ms + 16ms) vs (20ms + 6ms), meaning there is a massive visible difference between 36ms and 26ms.

Did you know WIRED input devices like the hardware keys and physical keyboards/gamepads have a 40ms (!!) latency on Android and < 4ms on other platforms?

Latency, smatency.......I challenge you to find any iPhone 5 or 5s more responsive than a Moto X or Maxx. Produce a video showing a visible difference. It ain't gonna happen. This is real-world fact, not lab tests.

 

[Kettle]

These tests are all on a blank screen with ZERO CPU usage. When you're running an app or scrolling in the browser the latency on Android spikes to 300ms. iOS remains well below 100ms. The Windows phone while having a higher idle latency, also doesn't become laggier under load.

Yes it makes a massive difference. There is a day and night difference between a 16ms latency monitor and a 6ms latency monitor (60Hz vs 144Hz). There is a day and night difference between a 20ms wireless mouse and a < 4ms wireless gaming mouse.

Oddly this is starting to feel like unsubstantiated claims again. The method of the testing was not included in the article and yet you seem to have a portal in to the actual tests that were conducted in this specific situation along with a knowledge all derivatives that were performed. The funny thing is that your response claims have all of a sudden jumped from 150ms to 300ms in the space of a few hours. At this rate by the end of the week I guess we will need to wait for months for our Android phones to respond to a simple touch. Forgive me for not realizing that you are an all knowing being who can mentally divine every testing scenario known to man.



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[anon(5780458)]

Latency, smatency.......I challenge you to find any iPhone 5 or 5s more responsive than a Moto X or Maxx. Produce a video showing a visible difference. It ain't gonna happen. This is real-world fact, not lab tests.

This line is hilarious. Going from Android is as fast as iOS to Android phones are more responsive than iPhone 5S. LOL.

Oddly this is starting to feel like unsubstantiated claims again. The method of the testing was not included in the article and yet you seem to have a portal in to the actual tests that were conducted in this specific situation along with a knowledge all derivatives that were performed. The funny thing is that your response claims have all of a sudden jumped from 150ms to 300ms in the space of a few hours. At this rate by the end of the week I guess we will need to wait for months for our Android phones to respond to a simple touch. Forgive me for not realizing that you are an all knowing being who can mentally divine every testing scenario known to man.

Their methodology was explained in the original source. It's just a blank no-load app used during the tests. 300ms is the under-load latency. Scrolling in Chrome and other content intensive apps is still stuttery and delayed. 150ms is the idle latency while tapping a button etc.

 

[pappy53]

This line is hilarious. Going from Android is as fast as iOS to Android phones are more responsive than iPhone 5S. LOL.



Their methodology was explained in the original source. It's just a blank no-load app used during the tests. 300ms is the under-load latency. Scrolling in Chrome and other content intensive apps is still stuttery and delayed. 150ms is the idle latency while tapping a button etc.

Have you tried a X or Maxx? Obviously not. I didn't say more responsive, but I said that iPhone was not more responsive.
You are obviously using a laggy, non-responsive LG crap phone, and basing everything else on what you read. Unlike people on here that have hands-on experience with top-tier Androids. And yes, I have owned the 5 and 5s, so I am speaking from experience.

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[anon(5780458)]

Have you tried a X or Maxx? Obviously not. I didn't say more responsive, but I said that iPhone was not more responsive.
You are obviously using a laggy, non-responsive LG crap phone, and basing everything else on what you read. Unlike people on here that have hands-on experience with top-tier Androids. And yes, I have owned the 5 and 5s, so I am speaking from experience.

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The first thing mentioned in The Verge's review of the Nexus 5 is that it lags while scrolling in apps. Non-debatable. All other phones are inferior to the Nexus 5.

Speaking of rendering, the old bugbear of Android has always been scrolling performance. Especially in Chrome, there's always been a sense of lag that seemed completely out of place on top-tier devices. On the Nexus 5, we're very sad to report that the situation doesn't seem any better. There is still not a one-to-one relationship between your finger and the screen, and it's still crazy-making.

This is input latency in action.

 

[pappy53]

All other phones are inferior to the Nexus 5.

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously after that statement? LOL! Anyway, as I said, you are basing on what you read, as opposed to real world use. Keep reading! Enjoy your LG!

 

[anon(5780458)]

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously after that statement? LOL! Anyway, as I said, you are basing on what you read, as opposed to real world use. Keep reading! Enjoy your LG!

Because the Nexus 5 has the latest OS, fully supported hardware & drivers and unviolated stock Android. Not to mention the raw hardware performance itself is superior. Moreover Android 4.4 is specifically designed to improve performance by lowering the hardware requirements.

 

[pappy53]

Because the Nexus 5 has the latest OS, fully supported hardware & drivers and unviolated stock Android. Not to mention the raw hardware performance itself is superior. Moreover Android 4.4 is specifically designed to improve performance by lowering the hardware requirements.

You read this, correct? Not actual experience?

 

[mrsmumbles]

Because the Nexus 5 has the latest OS, fully supported hardware & drivers and unviolated stock Android. Not to mention the raw hardware performance itself is superior. Moreover Android 4.4 is specifically designed to improve performance by lowering the hardware requirements.

It is. When there's lag on Android, it's from an app, not the OS. The beauty of Android is the outgrowth of lots of devs working independently creating all sorts of cool apps and games. They don't work for Google so the apps might take an extra splitsplitsplit second. The tradeoff for this amount of unnoticeable lag is the amazing and rich variety of stuff being made for Android.

I'll take your word for it that Apple is polished... But to me the analogy would be adding little chunks of apple (apps) to apple sauce (iOS) as opposed to adding things completely different like orange (an app) and chicken (Android) which go together very well and you still have a million other combinations.

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[anon(5780458)]

You read this, correct? Not actual experience?

I'm an Android developer. I have many, many test devices at work including the Nexus 5.

It is. When there's lag on Android, it's from an app, not the OS. The beauty of Android is the outgrowth of lots of devs working independently creating all sorts of cool apps and games. They don't work for Google so the apps might take an extra splitsplitsplit second. The tradeoff for this amount of unnoticeable lag is the amazing and rich variety of stuff being made for Android.

Core features are unusuably laggy. The default browser is laggy and unresponsive. The default Maps app is EXTREMELY laggy and unresponsive. The Google Maps app is such a substandard pile of garbage that it lags on the iPhone at 30fps while Apple Maps is 60fps.

 

[pappy53]

Quotes from an Android Central review:
"Lots of numbers here. They all favor the Nexus 5 (unless a temperature sensor counts). You can look at these all day, and form whatever opinion you like, but the fact is that Motorola's custom micro-architecture — dubbed X8 — drives Android as fast or faster than the "superior" hardware in the Nexus 5. Until we have apps that require a certain screen density, or four (or more) cores for CPU threading — and those will come — whatever magic Motorola did with the MSM8960 works. And it does it for a lot longer."

"If you like big numbers and reading about benchmarks, you want the Nexus 5. If you want the same performance, with better battery life, and don't care that your benchmark isn't the biggest in the locker room, you want the Moto X. To me, a phone on the charger is worthless no matter how well the specification sheet reads. I'll take the Moto X and it's battery life every time."

BTW, I am speaking of the Moto X and Droid Maxx, and what Moto has done with lesser specs to make phones that have top of the line performance.

 

[mrsmumbles]

I'm an Android developer. I have many, many test devices at work including the Nexus 5.



Core features are unusuably laggy. The default browser is laggy and unresponsive. The default Maps app is EXTREMELY laggy and unresponsive. The Google Maps app is such a substandard pile of garbage that it lags on the iPhone at 30fps while Apple Maps is 60fps.

Well they're not unusable because they get a lot of use. Wasn't there something about Apple Maps being awful after an update?

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[anon(5780458)]

I'm purely interested in the performance aspect of it. I still use Chrome and Google Maps. The ancient Maps app from iOS 1.0 is smoother than the current Google garbage.