So here's the BIG question

[iclickjohn]

Mine did go back. I think that is the safest action at this time.
It affords us the luxury of the majority of a two year contract being spent with a device we are completely satisfied with.
It also provides an option to wait just a little longer to find out if there will be a similar phone that isn't so slippery, doesn't reboot randomly, has good voice search button, has decent flash or equivalent, etc. Wow, now that I think about it, I'm happy I got rid of that cursed thing. (my cursed Nexus. Not yours) (anti missle disclaimer)

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[MMcCraryNJ]

We all know the Nexus was delayed and we've never been 100% sure why.

We now know that Verizon has just acknowledged a reception problem exists in the Nexus. So with that information, here are my questions:

* How is it that Verizon never saw the reception issue during testing? They have the reputation of testing, testing again, and testing much more before a phone is finally released. THIS eluded them??? So many people are seeing this issue across the country and THIS eluded them? Please tell me how this is possible with a company that has the reputation of being 'anal' about pre-release testing.

* Let's assume they knew the problem existed. Why wasn't it fixed if, as many people 'in the know' are saying, it's software based? OR, do they really know the issue is hardware-based and not much can be done. Perhaps the reception can be 'tweaked' in software, but if it's hardware, VZW knows damn well it won't be fixed. They have no intention of recalling all these phones.

* Let's not put all the blame on VZW, after all Samsung built it in conjunction with Google's input and specs. So how is it that neither of these entities saw the problem. Nobody saw it, nobody?

Am I the only one that thinks this is very very strange. If my logic is flawed, I'd be happy to be set straight on this.

I didn't read the entire thread, but MY big question to you is, why do you spend so much time on multiple forums trashing the Nexus? I've seen your posts here and on AF.com, and what you do is you hang out on the Nexus forums and just constantly bash it.

EVERY post I've ever seen from you regarding the Nexus has been negative, since like October dude. And there have been multiple occasions where you passionately write about something you don't like, or how something doesn't add up, or how this device is a letdown, etc etc. And no, I'm not going to find them all and quote them because I don't have that kind of time, but every time someone responds to you with information of how you overblow things or are just plain wrong, you stick your fingers in your ear and go "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!"

It's quite clear that the Nexus just isn't for you. And that's cool, it isn't for everyone. But you must have a ton of free time on your hands to write so much hot garbage about a device you hate so much. Why don't you give it a rest?

 

[wpbfjr]

...Why don't you give it a rest?

why don't you click "report" on each of the OP's posts you find offensive?

wpbfjr on the road

 

[ragnarokx]

Enough with the hostility (this goes for multiple people). The following posts should be civil from here on out.

Subscribed.

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[CarryMe]

Mine did go back. I think that is the safest action at this time.
It affords us the luxury of the majority of a two year contract being spent with a device we are completely satisfied with.

What did you get instead?

 

[Ken7]

I didn't read the entire thread, but MY big question to you is, why do you spend so much time on multiple forums trashing the Nexus? I've seen your posts here and on AF.com, and what you do is you hang out on the Nexus forums and just constantly bash it.

EVERY post I've ever seen from you regarding the Nexus has been negative, since like October dude. And there have been multiple occasions where you passionately write about something you don't like, or how something doesn't add up, or how this device is a letdown, etc etc. And no, I'm not going to find them all and quote them because I don't have that kind of time, but every time someone responds to you with information of how you overblow things or are just plain wrong, you stick your fingers in your ear and go "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!"

It's quite clear that the Nexus just isn't for you. And that's cool, it isn't for everyone. But you must have a ton of free time on your hands to write so much hot garbage about a device you hate so much. Why don't you give it a rest?

If you find my posts so offensive, why do you read them? You seem to eagerly search out my posts and read them no matter what thread i post in. Why do you even venture into threads where you KNOW people will be complaining? Read the thread title and it will give you a good indication if you'll find people complaining or praising the phone.

I find it fascinating that guys like you constantly ignore the fact that I've said on several occasions that I LOVE the phone. If i dont say how utterly fabulous the phone is and how it makes breakfast, does the windows and makes beds, guys like you get your umdies in a knot. Let me repeat, my ONLY issue is with reception in weaker areas where other phones I've had did well. I have no issues with battery life, display, video, camera etc etc etc. It's just weak area reception.

You were bugged when I said on several occasions during the pre-release period, that my concern was the Samsung radio. Why did I say that? Did I say it just for the hell of it? No, I said it because of my experience (and many many others that had the same issue) with Samsung LTE radios. But guys like you told me don't worry, it's a different radio, different software, it will be fine.

So in the end I was right. We have tons of people with the very issue I was concerned about. In fact that might be the biggest complaint throughout the forums. I know you don't have problems. Guess what? I don't either in moderate to strong signal areas. My issue along with the many others that are 'whining' is in weak areas where other phones do better.

I dont stick my head in the sand. I recognize issues, even in equipment that I otherwise love. I'm not offended when people point out REAL problems, and believe it or not, this is a real problem for many.

Problems are more likely to get resolved by discussing them, not by ignoring them.

Have a nice day.

 

[willstilson]

Absolutely Willstilson! If you're familiar with the Walt Whitman Mall, there's your ideal testing ground. If you know the mall, use the entrance by California Pizza Kitchen at the end of the mall that's closest to Best Buy. As you walk into the mall you'll probably have 4G reception. But as you walk toward the back of the mall (toward Macy's with CPK on your left), watch your 4G signal. You'll see a precipitous drop in strength as you continue to walk toward Macy's directly in front of you and you'll see a total loss of 4G and the beginning of 3G. You may even be unable to get any data depending on the day.

It's precisely these areas that my Rezound & Bionic maintained a 4G signal without a hitch. Also try hanging a left before you get to Macy's and walk toward the end of the mall (forget which store is there) which is pretty close and check out your signal. Also try walking right toward the longer end of the mall and check out your signal.

I'd really appreciate hearing back from you after this test!

Edit: Forgot to ask you what the other phone you'll be testing is? You mentioned 'both sets of radios'.

I'm familiar with Walt Whitman Mall. I'll definitely try to head out there to test, but I think I'll wait until after this weekend, to avoid the mayhem. I want to see if my signal drops are as predictable as yours.

I actually wanted to test the 4.02 radio and 4.03 radio for the GNex. I'll also try to bring my sister's Rezound, or at least try to steal her sim and put it into my TB.

Also, fwiw, last night I had my GNex side by side with my cousins TB. Both were set to 3G mode. Forget the bars, his showed -84to -86 -dbm, consistently, while mine hovered between -96 to -99. Sadly, those numbers are pretty good for me. I typically float between -102 to -105.

Seriously, the people saying that there isn't an issue with this device are wrong. However, it really is possible that the issue is an isolated one, and not everyone is effected. Perhaps a "bad batch" or whatever. All I know is, I don't have data service in places that I used to have data service, with my TB. And when I do have data service, and am using it, it will suddenly just drop out, as if it was never there. It will reconnect a minute or two later. That for me is an issue.

 

[CarryMe]

I dont stick my head in the sand. I recognize issues, even in equipment that I otherwise love. I'm not offended when people point out REAL problems, and believe it or not, this is a real problem for many.

Problems are more likely to get resolved by discussing them, not by ignoring them.

Have a nice day.

I appreciate those of you who have the phone posting your experience with the phone, good or bad. It helps me to make a fully informed decision regarding which device to buy.

 

[Darkblue31]

Isn't walt Whitman mall in suffolk county if so the 4G is not going to be so hot because its a fringe area

 

[CarryMe]

Isn't walt Whitman mall in suffolk county if so the 4G is not going to be so hot because its a fringe area

I believe that was the point - in fringe areas, the GN has a harder time holding the 4G signal than phones made by Moto or HTC.

 

[Ken7]

I believe that was the point - in fringe areas, the GN has a harder time holding the 4G signal than phones made by Moto or HTC.

Absolutely correct, that is the point. The phone has issues in precisely these areas that phones with better radios don't.

Otherwise I have no issue with 4G in better areas.

 

[iclickjohn]

What did you get instead?

Didn't yet. I really want the Nexus. I got it from a premium retailer who was not willing to let me exchange for a new one. I think because I mentioned that I wanted to see if it was just my phone or the phone in general. At that point, I made the call. Since I was the one taking the risk of having bad signal for two years. He gave me only 14 days from Dec 15th to return it. Now that it is returned, and I am back on my X, I have the luxury of a. Getting the Nexus, when it is confirmed working (in my area) b. Or waiting until the next superstar comes out. Seems like there has been faster and faster releases lately. I really LOVED that Nexus. As much as I wanted it naked, I even resolved if I kept it, I would get a case for it. I know that most of my other issues were software related and eventually would be fixed or I would root to fix it myself. Trust me, I hate waiting. I have expressed these issues in other posts and forums and hope I am not considered a whiner. I spend a lot of time on these forums and think they are such great resources. My advise to Ken is to just move on. Only Verizon or himself can make his experience better. At this point, I don't think anyone on the forums has the power to make his phone better. To keep posting won't change that.

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[Ken7]

I'm familiar with Walt Whitman Mall. I'll definitely try to head out there to test, but I think I'll wait until after this weekend, to avoid the mayhem. I want to see if my signal drops are as predictable as yours.

I actually wanted to test the 4.02 radio and 4.03 radio for the GNex. I'll also try to bring my sister's Rezound, or at least try to steal her sim and put it into my TB.

Also, fwiw, last night I had my GNex side by side with my cousins TB. Both were set to 3G mode. Forget the bars, his showed -84to -86 -dbm, consistently, while mine hovered between -96 to -99. Sadly, those numbers are pretty good for me. I typically float between -102 to -105.

Seriously, the people saying that there isn't an issue with this device are wrong. However, it really is possible that the issue is an isolated one, and not everyone is effected. Perhaps a "bad batch" or whatever. All I know is, I don't have data service in places that I used to have data service, with my TB. And when I do have data service, and am using it, it will suddenly just drop out, as if it was never there. It will reconnect a minute or two later. That for me is an issue.

I'd love for you test out your sister's Rezound at Walt Whitman. I'll bet you find exactly what I did, the Rezound holds on to 4G with no problem and the Nexus doesn't. I'll also be curious to see how you do with the 4.03 radio. It seems I've read mixed things about it. It would be great if that's the answer!

I really don't think it's a batch of bad phones, I think it's just how the Nexus performs in these marginal areas and it's why many people think we're crazy, they don't live in those areas.

I've been to about 4 VZW Corporate stores comparing my Nexus with their display models and I see absolutely no difference in the performance of any of them. In fact, you can also visit the VZW Corporate store right near the Walt Whitman mall if you're interested in seeing how yours compares with theirs. Again, I'll bet yours behaves pretty much like theirs. You may see a signal difference of 1 or 2dbm on either side, but they'll be in the same ballpark. In fact if you hang out there for a few minutes, you'll probably see what I did, at times your phone will be a db or so better and then a few minutes later theirs are a db or so better. That's to be expected.

I'd really like to hear how you make out. Good luck!

 

[Ken7]

My advise to Ken is to just move on. Only Verizon or himself can make his experience better. At this point, I don't think anyone on the forums has the power to make his phone better. To keep posting won't change that.

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I understand what you're saying, but I love the Nexus too much to return it and as I've said before, my loss of signal just isn't frequent enough to warrant me returning it. Yes, I'll unquestionably get a more stable reception experience in marginal areas from the Rezound, but I prefer every other aspect of the Nexus compared to the Rezound...with the exception of that great camera in the Rezound. But even there I have no real issues with the Nexus camera. In good light it does great. I'd only like to see the option for 16:9 shots which the stock software doesn't offer.

Still the most enjoyable phone I've owned.

 

[ragnarokx]

If i dont say how utterly fabulous the phone is and how it makes breakfast, does the windows and makes beds, guys like you get your umdies in a knot.

If you did not see my previous post, I strongly suggest you go back a page and read it. If you continue to talk to other members in this manner I'm closing your thread. Sarcasm and lashing out are not needed nor wanted when trying to make points.

 

[Holsum]

I understand what you're saying, but I love the Nexus too much to return it and as I've said before, my loss of signal just isn't frequent enough to warrant me returning it. Yes, I'll unquestionably get a more stable reception experience in marginal areas from the Rezound, but I prefer every other aspect of the Nexus compared to the Rezound...with the exception of that great camera in the Rezound. But even there I have no real issues with the Nexus camera. In good light it does great. I'd only like to see the option for 16:9 shots which the stock software doesn't offer.

Still the most enjoyable phone I've owned.

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/2...gnal-indicator-to-better-match-other-devices/

Once you read that hopefully you will return your nexus for good and we wont have to hear your negativityhere anymore. Like i said before this phone reads signals better then othe lte phones out there and switches to the stronger signal accordingly. Just because you want to hold onto a crappy 4g signal like htc and motorola do over a steonger 3g signal doesnt mean you should. It draws way more battery to keep trying to hold that weak 4g signal. Just because you have a bad case of ?this phone has more so i want more? doesnt mean its right.

Its a design feature to keep battery saving in mind. Yes my phone does it and im glad.

 

[willstilson]

I really don't think it's a batch of bad phones, I think it's just how the Nexus performs in these marginal areas and it's why many people think we're crazy, they don't live in those areas.

See this is what I'm afraid of. I guess the truth is that I am HOPING its a bad batch. Truthfully though, I doubt it.

Honestly though, those of you doubting, or complaining that Ken or anyone else is complaining too much, would probably be complaining just as much if your experience was the same as ours. Its a terrible thing to spend $300 plus tax on a mobile device, after having waited so long for it, only to find that it barely functions in many of the places you travel. If I wanted that I would've signed up with tmobile, and cut my monthly bill in half. Maybe the rest of you are in the heart of strong signal areas, I don't know. I just know that, in no part of the New York City 4G area, that I have been to with my Nexus, have I been able to pull and better than -86 dbm in 4G mode. Nor have I been able to pull the speed test results that I see others bragging about. I saw a guy on AF put up screen shots pulling down over 65Mbps, in NYC. I can't pull 15Mbps in NYC. I'm not begging for his numbers, but with my Bolt I was constantly hitting over 25Mbps, often times in the mid thirties. Why should its drop so dramatically, with the latest and greatest?

Could there be something wrong with my particular device? Sure. But I want to do as much research as possible, beforehand, so that I can be sure that swapping is the best idea. My phone has no other issues, (except some low brightness banding, but that may be normal) and I'd rather not take the chance at getting a lemon if I don't have to. Plus I hate the idea of returning a working device, only to find the same issues again, and causing that one to go into refurb status. Thats what causes these things to be so damn expensive in the first place.

 

[willstilson]

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/2...gnal-indicator-to-better-match-other-devices/

Once you read that hopefully you will return your nexus for good and we wont have to hear your negativityhere anymore. Like i said before this phone reads signals better then othe lte phones out there and switches to the stronger signal accordingly. Just because you want to hold onto a crappy 4g signal like htc and motorola do over a steonger 3g signal doesnt mean you should. It draws way more battery to keep trying to hold that weak 4g signal. Just because you have a bad case of ?this phone has more so i want more? doesnt mean its right.

Its a design feature to keep battery saving in mind. Yes my phone does it and im glad.

Where did Verizon say that the device chooses to switch to 3G, when 4G is weak, as a battery saving feature? I was under the impression that all VZW said, is that the Nexus displays its signal bars more accurately that the other 4G phones. I don't remember them saying that the device drops to 3G when 4G isn't as strong, in an effort to save battery. This is not me attacking you, I'm just looking for clarification.

 

[Holsum]

Where did Verizon say that the device chooses to switch to 3G, when 4G is weak, as a battery saving feature? I was under the impression that all VZW said, is that the Nexus displays its signal bars more accurately that the other 4G phones. I don't remember them saying that the device drops to 3G when 4G isn't as strong, in an effort to save battery. This is not me attacking you, I'm just looking for clarification.

Oh non taken. Its more common sense really. Up until a certain point, granted im not sure of the exact logic, once the 4g signal gets low enough and 3g is stronger it will switch over. If you read the anandtech article it will make more sense. 3g draws less power and there fore saves on the battery drain.

 

[Ken7]

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/2...gnal-indicator-to-better-match-other-devices/

Once you read that hopefully you will return your nexus for good and we wont have to hear your negativityhere anymore. Like i said before this phone reads signals better then othe lte phones out there and switches to the stronger signal accordingly. Just because you want to hold onto a crappy 4g signal like htc and motorola do over a steonger 3g signal doesnt mean you should. It draws way more battery to keep trying to hold that weak 4g signal. Just because you have a bad case of ?this phone has more so i want more? doesnt mean its right.

Its a design feature to keep battery saving in mind. Yes my phone does it and im glad.

Once again, it has nothing to do with how many bars or what the signal display is showing. The article does nothing to answer why so many people are having issues in marginal areas. Just read the forums, I'm far far from being alone in this. When I go to weak areas, a phone like the Rezound holds on to the signal better and ALSO shows very fast 4G speeds.

So this is not a case of 'holding on to a crappy 4G signal'. The signal that is being dropped by the Rezound is very good and very capable of great speeds as evidenced by the Rezound.