So here's the BIG question

[Johnly]

This is the question than never ends ha ha.

 

[Holsum]

If you notice most people yhat are complaining its because ?i want my wifis and 4g and gb's now now now? and they dont realize their phone is doing them a service by saving power. Instead they would rather complain that crappy htc and moto phones appear to give better service when all they do is give you a 4 hour paper weight.

 

[majiklantrn]

This is the question than never ends ha ha.

And all this time I thought someone was going to propose (The Big Question) to someone for xmas. Their GF, BF, or even their GNex. Freakin Idiot!!

 

[Holsum]

Once again, it has nothing to do with how many bars or what the signal display is showing. The article does nothing to answer why so many people are having issues in marginal areas. Just read the forums, I'm far far from being alone in this. When I go to weak areas, a phone like the Rezound holds on to the signal better and ALSO shows very fast 4G speeds.

So this is not a case of 'holding on to a crappy 4G signal'. The signal that is being dropped by the Rezound is very good and very capable of great speeds as evidenced by the Rezound.

Thats ur problem you think you know what is best for your phone over google engineers. What make you think that ur phone is better off battery wise holding that 4g over switching to 3g that draws way less.

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[willstilson]

Oh non taken. Its more common sense really. Up until a certain point, granted im not sure of the exact logic, once the 4g signal gets low enough and 3g is stronger it will switch over. If you read the anandtech article it will make more sense. 3g draws less power and there fore saves on the battery drain.

Honestly, and again I mean no offense by this, you can't assume something like this. Of the 5+ or so 4G LTE phones release by VZW, this is the only one "smart enough" to choose to save battery in low signal areas? The Bolt, with all its battery hogging glory didn't do it. If it is a "feature" then why didn't Verizon implement it on the first wave of LTE devices, when everyone complained about battery life?

I'm sorry but you can't assume that the device is designed to drop to 3G just because 4G signal is weaker at that moment. Unless Samsung/Google/VZW come out and say it, then it is just an assumption.

And just to combat the whole 3G using less power thing, if I am downloading a file in 3G, say a 100MB file, it will take something like 800 seconds (assuming 1 megabit per second 3G). Thats over 13 minutes. The same file with 4G at say 10 megabits per second (thats what I get when I have -98dbm) would take around 80 seconds. Thats a minute and twenty seconds. Now, logically speaking, in terms of battery saving, wouldn't you want the phone pulling a file from the network for 80 seconds as opposed to 800 seconds? The longer a device is pulling from the network, the faster the battery will drain. Just like being in a call. Talk time is less that standby time, always. You want to minimize your data time, in order to save battery.

 

[willstilson]

Thats ur problem you think you know what is best for your phone over google engineers. What make you think that ur phone is better off battery wise holding that 4g over switching to 3g that draws way less.

Let me go grab some popcorn while you conjour up this response.

Im not sure what there is about that little 4g sign that gives you a hardon but you need to put it to rest eventually.

For me its nothing about the 4G sign that arouses me. Its the fact that I paid for a 4G device in a 4G market and I should have the right to decide when it uses that 4G and when it switches to 3G. Thats the whole reason I prefer Android to Apple. And again, this is all based on your assumption that the phone was designed to do this. There is no definitive proof of that.

 

[Holsum]

Once again, it has nothing to do with how many bars or what the signal display is showing. The article does nothing to answer why so many people are having issues in marginal areas. Just read the forums, I'm far far from being alone in this. When I go to weak areas, a phone like the Rezound holds on to the signal better and ALSO shows very fast 4G speeds.

So this is not a case of 'holding on to a crappy 4G signal'. The signal that is being dropped by the Rezound is very good and very capable of great speeds as evidenced by the Rezound.

Just because it pulls great speeds doesnt mean its a good signal. You obviously dont know how tcp/ip connections work. But i see where you are getting at. All you care about is the mbps and that makes you happy, who cares about battery life, right?

Glad you arent an engineer logic has gone way over your head. You should leave thst to the engineers, oh, like me, thanks!

 

[Ken7]

If you notice most people yhat are complaining its because ?i want my wifis and 4g and gb's now now now? and they dont realize their phone is doing them a service by saving power. Instead they would rather complain that crappy htc and moto phones appear to give better service when all they do is give you a 4 hour paper weight.

You do nothing for your argument with statements like 'crappy htc and moto phones'. State facts and stick to the topic.

 

[Holsum]

You do nothing for your argument with statements like 'crappy htc and moto phones'. State facts and stick to the topic.

State facts. You havent stated one fact in any of your posts. Everything you spew out is opinionated.

 

[Holsum]

For me its nothing about the 4G sign that arouses me. Its the fact that I paid for a 4G device in a 4G market and I should have the right to decide when it uses that 4G and when it switches to 3G. Thats the whole reason I prefer Android to Apple. And again, this is all based on your assumption that the phone was designed to do this. There is no definitive proof of that.

The proof is in the pudding verizon and google have stated there are no issues, except with the bars that are displayed. Which was also proven by anandtech.

If you are so bent out of shape over the 4g strength why not buy a razr or rezound, root it, and install an ICS rom? That makes the most sense to me

 

[majiklantrn]

This is like reading Geek Jerry Springer! You guys are totally entertaining me. Keep it up!

 

[Ken7]

Thats ur problem you think you know what is best for your phone over google engineers. What make you think that ur phone is better off battery wise holding that 4g over switching to 3g that draws way less.

Let me go grab some popcorn while you conjour up this response.

Im not sure what there is about that little 4g sign that gives you a hardon but you need to put it to rest eventually.

Once again, we are talking about signal issues, not battery issues. The Rezound has proven that it can do a great job in marginal signal areas where the Nexus cannot. During the time I had the Rezound I also had no issues with battery life. Is it possible there could be an issue with the way the Nexus handles signals in marginal areas? Is it possible that something is not right with the software or hardware? The phone is not perfect, nothing is.

Attacking posters with an issue is not the way to respond.

 

[Ken7]

Honestly, and again I mean no offense by this, you can't assume something like this. Of the 5+ or so 4G LTE phones release by VZW, this is the only one "smart enough" to choose to save battery in low signal areas? The Bolt, with all its battery hogging glory didn't do it. If it is a "feature" then why didn't Verizon implement it on the first wave of LTE devices, when everyone complained about battery life?

I'm sorry but you can't assume that the device is designed to drop to 3G just because 4G signal is weaker at that moment. Unless Samsung/Google/VZW come out and say it, then it is just an assumption.

And just to combat the whole 3G using less power thing, if I am downloading a file in 3G, say a 100MB file, it will take something like 800 seconds (assuming 1 megabit per second 3G). Thats over 13 minutes. The same file with 4G at say 10 megabits per second (thats what I get when I have -98dbm) would take around 80 seconds. Thats a minute and twenty seconds. Now, logically speaking, in terms of battery saving, wouldn't you want the phone pulling a file from the network for 80 seconds as opposed to 800 seconds? The longer a device is pulling from the network, the faster the battery will drain. Just like being in a call. Talk time is less that standby time, always. You want to minimize your data time, in order to save battery.

Well said and 100% on target.

 

[Holsum]

This is like reading Geek Jerry Springer! You guys are totally entertaining me. Keep it up!

Hahaha fun isnt it.

 

[majiklantrn]

Hahaha fun isnt it.

Totally! Just sit back with my cup of Jo and just read!

I will admit, I am/was one of those users very curious about their signal. On a positive note, I haven't dropped a call at all. That's where 100% of my concern is right now.

 

[Ken7]

Just because it pulls great speeds doesnt mean its a good signal. You obviously dont know how tcp/ip connections work. But i see where you are getting at. All you care about is the mbps and that makes you happy, who cares about battery life, right?

Glad you arent an engineer logic has gone way over your head. You should leave thst to the engineers, oh, like me, thanks!

I really don't understand your tone at all. Please be civil, state the facts, attack the facts not the poster!

Now, to clarify again, what difference does it make to the end-user if, as you profess, 'it doesn't mean its a good signal'. If I can load web pages far faster on the Rezound in those marginal areas than I can with the Nexus, I could care less if the signal is bad or not...it works! A quick load up of a web page in a marginal area does not indicate to me a signal that's not good. But a phone that either hangs or loads that same page, in the same area, shows me a phone that is having difficulty where it shouldn't.

Once again, the Rezound had very good battery life getting the marginal 4G signals it did, so I'm not buying the argument that if the Nexus behaved the same way with a signal the battery life would plummet. To me you're just rationalizing.

 

[Ken7]

State facts. You havent stated one fact in any of your posts. Everything you spew out is opinionated.

Stating that I can't get 4G in a marginal area where 2 other phones I owned could, is not opinion, it's fact.

 

[willstilson]

State facts. You havent stated one fact in any of your posts. Everything you spew out is opinionated.

With all do respect, you haven't stated any facts either. Once again you assume that the phones inability to maintain 4G signal is a feature rather than a problem. Thats like saying Apple intentionally designed the Iphone 4 antenna in such a manner, that you MUST hold it in your right hand, as a feature to protect your left ear. Its just simply not true. Until the manufacturers say that is the case, you can't assume, and criticize someone for this phones shortcomings.

The truth in the pudding, as you stated it, is that Verizon acknowledged and issue, then Anandtech released the article the next day, and Verizon used that article to dismiss the claims of any issues with the device. The problem is that everyone is jumping on that bandwagon to dismiss genuine claims of an issue. Yes Anandtech is right about the signal bar thing, be we aren't talking about signal bar issues. We are talking about the fact that the device cant hold 4G signal, where other devices can. I've explained a few posts up, that it is actually more beneficial to maintain 4G over 3G, to decrease the time it takes to download data.

And you keep stating that Ken is not an engineer, well I am. And I can tell you, from an electrical engineering standpoint, that you cannot assume that the device was designed the way you say, just because you have fabricated a benefit from it. Every single way that this device behaves, is a product of intentional, or unintentional programming, and I refuse to believe that this device is intended to act in the manner you describe as a benefit, until the designers tell me so.

 

[Holsum]

Honestly, and again I mean no offense by this, you can't assume something like this. Of the 5+ or so 4G LTE phones release by VZW, this is the only one "smart enough" to choose to save battery in low signal areas? The Bolt, with all its battery hogging glory didn't do it. If it is a "feature" then why didn't Verizon implement it on the first wave of LTE devices, when everyone complained about battery life?

I'm sorry but you can't assume that the device is designed to drop to 3G just because 4G signal is weaker at that moment. Unless Samsung/Google/VZW come out and say it, then it is just an assumption.

And just to combat the whole 3G using less power thing, if I am downloading a file in 3G, say a 100MB file, it will take something like 800 seconds (assuming 1 megabit per second 3G). Thats over 13 minutes. The same file with 4G at say 10 megabits per second (thats what I get when I have -98dbm) would take around 80 seconds. Thats a minute and twenty seconds. Now, logically speaking, in terms of battery saving, wouldn't you want the phone pulling a file from the network for 80 seconds as opposed to 800 seconds? The longer a device is pulling from the network, the faster the battery will drain. Just like being in a call. Talk time is less that standby time, always. You want to minimize your data time, in order to save battery.

Its not hard to think that at all. They knew 4g was going to take a toll on battery. It has only been 1 year since 4g was released. Verizon was pushing the poems to get the phones out to compete with sprint the only other carrier to have 4g. Now that time has passed it only makes sense to get back to the basics and focus on what's important, the battery life, which google has always made a point to focus on.

As far as downloads you are correct. That is a perfect situation and one that could be argued. Then again who absolutely HAS to download a file in the middle of a mall, as ken7 has been having issues with, and can't walk towards an outlet to strengthen the signal, download the file, then turn it back on.

Anyone that leaves 4g on constantly is out of their minds anyways.

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[Holsum]

Stating that I can't get 4G in a marginal area where 2 other phones I owned could, is not opinion, it's fact.

That isn't fact, how can you prove your nexus isn't getting better 4g signal then the two other phones? You said its switching to 3g right? How can you prove that? Just because its on 3g doesn't mean it isn't pulling 4g. In Google's logic maybe the 4g signal isn't sufficient for them so it switches to the stronger 3g.

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