Sony z5 will support manual shutter speed /iso controls; no RAW support yet

[neo905]

Dave Burke discussed the choice to not use OIS at the Nexus launch and stated it's using the same Sony sensor for digital stabilization as the ones used in Sony's dedicated cameras, eliminating the need for OIS. So far you've just heard from DXO who so far has ranked 2 of the 3 top phones not having OIS, A senior Google Android engineering executive, and Sony who makes the sensor used in the Nexus 6p as well as Sony cameras.

There's your facts. I don't know what more I can offer you without getting the feeling you're just clinging to OIS and are unwilling to acknowledge sensor tech has improved now to the point that it's no longer clearly better. Maybe you were previously unaware of the advances recently made? Hopefully you are better informed now.

Ok. So give me a list of who you are waiting to hear from with respect to the Z5 camera and I will be the first to post their opinion of it here and we will see how far it varies from DXO assessment. Deal?

 

[Shepx13]

agreed, but there has to be some kind of common metric. This is just the same problem that we encounter when people argue against lab tests for battery life. You can't judge battery life in real world testing because everyone's usage is too varied. The same goes for real world testing of pictures taken by different people. Too many variables. I could take the same camera and give it to two different people and have them both take shots of the same room, standing in the same spot, and you know as well as I do that they won't take identical quality photos.


And that's exactly the problem - all things are not equal. If you can find me a Galaxy S6 with the exact same camera hardware, software as the Z5 than that might be the case but such a scenario doesn't exist.

I think we're closer to agreement than not.

I'm not a fan of DXO. They are selective on what products they test, how they test, and they are not always transparent. People seem to think they are the Holy Grail of photography testing, and that's just not the case. Now that they have been doing mobile phones for a while, people immediately point to DXO to back up their opinions with little regard to lots of facts.

I hope Sony's camera is amazing, even though I probably won't get one since I'm in the US. If they get their act together software wise (as far as camera implementation), I may just import one anyways.

 

[syspry]

It's the number one ranked smartphone camera according to DXO Marks so it's far from worthless. It scored 93 out of 100 for steadiness in video which is unprecedented.

Ok. So give me a list of who you are waiting to hear from with respect to the Z5 camera and I will be the first to post their opinion of it here and we will see how far it varies from DXO assessment. Deal?

I don't get what you're asking me. Your first post sounds like you agree with dxo but your question to me sounds like you think I'm disagreeing with them.

 

[syspry]

I think we're closer to agreement than not.

I'm not a fan of DXO. They are selective on what products they test, how they test, and they are not always transparent. People seem to think they are the Holy Grail of photography testing, and that's just not the case. Now that they have been doing mobile phones for a while, people immediately point to DXO to back up their opinions with little regard to lots of facts.

I hope Sony's camera is amazing, even though I probably won't get one since I'm in the US. If they get their act together software wise (as far as camera implementation), I may just import one anyways.

Fair enough, glad we reached a middle ground. My personal take is that as long as it finally takes good indoor low light shots, I'll be a happy camper. I wasn't satisfied with those on their previous Z models

 

[neo905]

I don't get what you're asking me. Your first post sounds like you agree with dxo but your question to me sounds like you think I'm disagreeing with them.

I'm not disagreeing with them or agreeing with them because I have personally never used the phone and neither have you. They are the first with any comprehensive assessment of the phone's camera. What I am saying is you are discrediting it. Ok. Who's opinion(s) are you waiting to hear from about the camera that will hold more weight with you than DXO? Then we can compare to see if DXO was way off base.

 

[syspry]

I'm not disagreeing with them or agreeing with them because I have personally never used the phone and neither have you. They are the first with any comprehensive assessment of the phone's camera. What I am saying is you are discrediting it. Ok. Who's opinion(s) are you waiting to hear from about the camera that will hold more weight with you than DXO? Then we can compare to see if DXO was way off base.

You sure you even quoted the right post earlier? I never discredited it. Looks like you tapped quote on the wrong person

 

[neo905]

You sure you even quoted the right post earlier? I never discredited it. Looks like you tapped quote on the wrong person

Sorry I meant to reply to Shepx13.