starting to cave in towards the thunderbolt

[trailblazen]

You can get the same life from the tb that the bionic will have. Just get the seidio batt and wait for some custom kernels.

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Sorry, having to BUY a better battery after just buying the phone really isn't a good selling point. Should come out of the box not having to buy more parts to make it work right.

 

[Suntan]

I also think that while the Tbolt may seem as fast now as the Bionic may be, I would wait and see how they fare once the OS is optimized to take full advantage of the Bionic's hardware.

Does anyone have insight into how long that would be?

Waiting a significant percentage of your contract for the Bionic to get an updated version that optimizes for 2 cores would seem to be cold comfort.

I question if the Bionic (and the Atrix) as much as they are being heralded, are a little premature to truly benefit from a dual core optimized OS that may not be fully hashed out for some time.

-Suntan

 

[shaddix]

Sorry, having to BUY a better battery after just buying the phone really isn't a good selling point. Should come out of the box not having to buy more parts to make it work right.

I'm just saying that its possible is all. The tb is not irreparably doomed to have terrible battery life. There are fixes that don't involve a huge hump on the back, even if they cost a little $.

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[TuxDotKing]

Does anyone have insight into how long that would be?

Waiting a significant percentage of your contract for the Bionic to get an updated version that optimizes for 2 cores would seem to be cold comfort.

I question if the Bionic (and the Atrix) as much as they are being heralded, are a little premature to truly benefit from a dual core optimized OS that may not be fully hashed out for some time.

-Suntan

I posted on this in another thread a second ago. Here's the post:

[...]the OS can take advantage of the dual core[...] In my opinion, it fully supports dual core right now.

The only reason I say 'basic support' is because most of Moto's optimizations seem to be at the kernel level. Which is great, because that's really all you need because of how Linux works. I think the rest of the Android codebase may also recieve some tweaks and whatnot with Ice Cream Sandwich though, to squeeze a bit more performance out of it and help app developers take advantage of it more easily.

So in my opinion, the Atrix and Bionic are taking advantage of it right now, as the Atrix was confirmed to have an SMP-enabled kernel that would allow it to. They may shine a bit brighter when 2.4 comes along, but for now they're performing quite well and you'll notice the difference in processor intensive tasks which, because we don't do much complex audio/video mixing on our smartphones yet, boils down to games for now. On that note, does anyone beside me enjoy the little sandbox game The Elements? (If you haven't heard of it install it now, it's a real great time killer) My point being, it's rough on any processor, from my Droid to my 1.3 GHz OC'd Nexus S; I wonder how it'll do on the Tegra 2...

 

[terrain]

What's another 90 days to 6 months among friends.

Does anyone have insight into how long that would be?

Waiting a significant percentage of your contract for the Bionic to get an updated version that optimizes for 2 cores would seem to be cold comfort.

I question if the Bionic (and the Atrix) as much as they are being heralded, are a little premature to truly benefit from a dual core optimized OS that may not be fully hashed out for some time.

-Suntan

 

[isdaako]

I just won the Thunderbolt

So, you do exist! Guess the contest was for real.

 

[Hand_O_Death]

So, you do exist! Guess the contest was for real.

Oh yes, I am a real person and the wife who is anxiously buging me for the phone to arrive in the mail is real too LOL. It was funny because I did not believe my contest win at first either. I always wondered if they were real or just a ploy to get people to register on the forums.

 

[nasmith7]

You're seriously considering getting the TB? Why would you want a phone that runs for 4 to 7 hours before dying and doesn't even have a duel processor? That's madness! Just wait it out. Every TB owner is going to be regretting their purchase in a month or 2 when the Bionic hits the street and Verizon drops promoting the TB. Like the Droid X, the Bionic will be able to stay at the top of the performance heap for about a year.

As to Moto blur, it's not an issue. If you like it, use it, if you don't like it, install LP or ADW and it's gone...no rooting required.

LP or ADW?

 

[coreymcl]

I have both phones and while I love the speed of the Thunderbolt my Atrix is the phone I have with me everywhere I go. You also have to keep in mind I also have the Laptop dock and use it all the time.

So for me the perfect combination is the Atrix with LTE support.

 

[terrain]

My only real issue with the Atrix is T-Mobile - AKA ATT.

 

[ChuckG73]

I am returning my Thunderbolt today. It just is not enough of an upgrade to move from my Fascinate and miss out on the Bionic. I got sucked in by all of the Hype and since have put the Kool-Aid down and snapped back to my senses and stopped climbing fences...

 

[shaddix]

Tb is all about the unlimited 4G

 

[The_Engine]

Tb is all about the unlimited 4G

And that is the risk we all run by waiting. Bionic may come before tiered rates. Figure it this way, a lot of phones sell in August/September for back to school and then the holidays. So VZW will get new rates in place for when all those purchases come in. But I think want to leave it unlimited for the first few months to sick peple in and flood the web with all those speed tests showing ridiculous speeds. Those speeds will decline as more people get on LTE but the benchmarks will be set in peoples head now by these early adopters.

 

[shaddix]

You should go work for VZW marketing lol

 

[The_Engine]

... as the Atrix was confirmed to have an SMP-enabled kernel that would allow it to.

Can you provide a source for that statement? I ask because so many people argue that dual core is worthless because of lack of smp support..

 

[TuxDotKing]

Can you provide a source for that statement? I ask because so many people argue that dual core is worthless because of lack of smp support..

No problem, my source is XDA: xda-developers - View Single Post - Battery Life?

The kernel (which handles all low-level I/O on the device) is compiled for multiple cores (hence the SMP tag, which stands for symmetrical multiprocessing, under About Phone, under Kernel Version). On top of that, the Android SDK supports threads, which is in turn supported by the kernel and therefore spread across cores.

 

[DolfanCole]

No problem, my source is XDA: xda-developers - View Single Post - Battery Life?

I think this is only a partial answer though. Having the tag in the kernel doesn't necessarily mean that it's implemented fully or optimally in the kernel code. To better understand if that's the case, you'd have to dig down into the kernel code to find out. I don't know if the developer/poster at XDA has done that and that's what he meant or not.

As new features are put into operating systems, it's common for the tags, parameters, etc., to be created prior to actually implementing them, but they're there as placeholders for future implementations. I have no idea if that's the case with this or not. But just because the tag exists doesn't mean that it's actually used or implemented full or optimally.

 

[GQ50]

There are quite a few dual core phones out/coming out...couple LGs, Atrix, Bionic etc.. It(the market) will soon be flooded with dual core phones and then quad core. Hopefully the software to utilize the dual cores will allow longer battery life and smoother/no lag, faster rendering of websites, faster data.

I would wait for the Bionic.

 

[The_Engine]

I think this is only a partial answer though. Having the tag in the kernel doesn't necessarily mean that it's implemented fully or optimally in the kernel code. To better understand if that's the case, you'd have to dig down into the kernel code to find out. I don't know if the developer/poster at XDA has done that and that's what he meant or not.

As new features are put into operating systems, it's common for the tags, parameters, etc., to be created prior to actually implementing them, but they're there as placeholders for future implementations. I have no idea if that's the case with this or not. But just because the tag exists doesn't mean that it's actually used or implemented full or optimally.

I think the poster at XDA is saying is that SMP is in the Kernel info in About Phone. So Motorola is saying the Kernel Supports SMP. We need someone with an Atrix to grab a screen shot of that.

 

[DolfanCole]

I think the poster at XDA is saying is that SMP is in the Kernel info in About Phone. So Motorola is saying the Kernel Supports SMP. We need someone with an Atrix to grab a screen shot of that.

Well, that's just it. Does showing it in the About Phone mean that it truly is implemented in the kernel? Or is it merely a placeholder for future implementations? Or does it mean that the tag is supported and there's an implementation, but all the implementation does is copy the single-core implementation (i.e., not fully or optimally implemented)? Not sure a screen capture will answer these questions. It really takes investigation into the kernel or Motorola (or whomever) stating that it is fully supported.