T-Mobile support?

[FreakyLocz14]

Do the bands support T-Mobile?

 

[scaots]

Only for 2G.

 

[mike2518]

That is correct, only 2g here.

 

[startac7868]

T-Mobile USA - Networks

The company owns licenses to operate a 1900 MHz GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) PCS (Personal Communications Service) digital cellular network and a 1700 MHz/2100 MHz UMTS AWS (Advanced Wireless Services) digital cellular network

If AWS downlink operates at 2100 Mhz, then you will get 4G download. If upload cannot operate on 1700 Mhz but can on 1900, then you get 2G upload. If you don't need to do video conferencing, and the upload connection is principally for web page requests, then you should see no difference with a missing 1700 MHz band. In effect, it's a 4G phone on T Mobile.

The Galaxy Note can operate using the following radio frequencies
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS/HSDPA/HSDPA+: 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz

 

[kwilsonjr]

It's hard, but I'm going to wait for the US models and see what happens. If T-Mo doesn't announce the device, THEN I'll just get the international (or switch to whoever gets it depending on who)

 

[scaots]

Will AWS work for down only, using 2g uplink?

 

[startac7868]

I've been reminded by someone that AWS frequencies only work as a pair. So my earlier statement about the possibility of using 1900 MHz up and 2100 down (thereby enjoying benefit of high speed download at least) is incorrect.

The way it works is 1700 up and 2100 down round trip. The 1900 Mhz up and down works as a pair. There is no mixing such as 1900 MHz up and 2100 down. That's because essentially they are 2 different networks; one or the other. If the 2100 Mhz is present but not 1700 (as is the case with the current GNote model), the circuit is incomplete. In that situation, T Mobile will default down to the next level. Thus the phone will operate only on the 2G 1900 MHz band for both up and down links.

The 2100 MHz was no doubt put in to be compatible with European and Asian 4G frequencies which use it for both up and down. AFIK, no countries have AWS 1700/2100 split other than Canada and US.

 

[kwilsonjr]

Couldnt wait. Got mine from amazon. Works great on tmo edge but as others have found no 3g. Glad i got it though. Fricken awesome.

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[kwilsonjr]

Couldn't stand the wait. Going to use this until TMO gets their version then just ebay it. Might have to take $100 hit or so but well worth it to be able to get my hands on this bad boy. This is my dream phone.

 

[someguy01234]

I like your bravery.
Maybe I should do the same.

Don't forget with eBay you have to deal with their excessive high fee that they implement lately. Though unlocking the phone might give it a bit more value.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Couldn't stand the wait. Going to use this until TMO gets their version then just ebay it. Might have to take $100 hit or so but well worth it to be able to get my hands on this bad boy. This is my dream phone.

There are tricks to lessen the hit. Try to inflate the shipping costs if you can. Be paranoid about scratches and scuffs. The better the condition, the more it's worth. Include cases and screen protectors you use in the price. You can also charge sales tax, since Final Value fees aren't assessed on it. The legality of that varies from state to state, though.

 

[kwilsonjr]

There are tricks to lessen the hit. Try to inflate the shipping costs if you can. Be paranoid about scratches and scuffs. The better the condition, the more it's worth. Include cases and screen protectors you use in the price. You can also charge sales tax, since Final Value fees aren't assessed on it. The legality of that varies from state to state, though.

I agree with alot of this and have carefully stored away the original box and accessories (I already had a charger and earbuds), and the package with instructions etc is upopened. Screen protector and TPU case went on the day after I got it and it was handled like a newborn baby until then.

But I am firmly against internet tax and frequently complain about jacked up shipping costs on ebay so I won't be doing any of those things ;-) Sometimes it hurts to stand by your principles but I guess that is the point you know they are real and not just convenient.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

I agree with alot of this and have carefully stored away the original box and accessories (I already had a charger and earbuds), and the package with instructions etc is upopened. Screen protector and TPU case went on the day after I got it and it was handled like a newborn baby until then.

But I am firmly against internet tax and frequently complain about jacked up shipping costs on ebay so I won't be doing any of those things ;-) Sometimes it hurts to stand by your principles but I guess that is the point you know they are real and not just convenient.

You're from CA?

Jerry Brown made internet sales tax mandatory. I'm not sure if it's gone in effect yet, so best check up on that. I'm collecting CA sales tax now because of the new law.

 

[kwilsonjr]

Not in effect and businesses doing less than $500,000 a year are exempt. It is being challenged in court. Will get nullified. No one wants this tax. If the courts validate it then the voters will put an exemption on the ballot and override the legislature.

Just FYI, if you collect sales tax and fail to turn it over to the tax franchise board it is a federal crime that will earn you some big prison time. But I'm sure you would never do that ;-)

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Not in effect and businesses doing less than $500,000 a year are exempt. It is being challenged in court. Will get nullified. No one wants this tax. If the courts validate it then the voters will put an exemption on the ballot and override the legislature.

Just FYI, if you collect sales tax and fail to turn it over to the tax franchise board it is a federal crime that will earn you some big prison time. But I'm sure you would never do that ;-)

Correct, it is a state crime. That actually makes it worse, since California's prisons are some of the worst in the nation.

I always filed a return on my sole prop, but I never actually owe anything due to the college write-offs I get.

 

[kwilsonjr]

Wow, you have no concept of business. When you collect sales tax it is not 'income' subject to write offs. You have to keep a ledger of every penny you collect and send the entire amount to the franchise tax board for each state you collect sales tax. By comingling tax money with income you are committing a felony.

p.s. since the transaction crosses state lines it is interstate commerce and a FEDERAL crime.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Wow, you have no concept of business. When you collect sales tax it is not 'income' subject to write offs. You have to keep a ledger of every penny you collect and send the entire amount to the franchise tax board for each state you collect sales tax. By comingling tax money with income you are committing a felony.

p.s. since the transaction crosses state lines it is interstate commerce and a FEDERAL crime.

Tax evasion only applies to federal taxes. While Congress has to power to regulate interstate commerce, taxes are a whole different ball game. Tax law is more regulatory than it is statutory. The feds come into play if I was collecting taxes in another state. A California resident collecting California sales tax does not constitute interstate commerce.

Sales taxes are state taxes and are regulated by state law. Also, for the crime of tax evasion to be supported by the evidence at either the state or federal, intent has to be demonstrated. This is why the large majority of tax offenses are not prosecuted as crimes, but are rather handles civilly through negotiating with federal, state, and local agencies that are owed back taxes due to error about how much the person who owes money will pay and a payment schedule.

You also have a poor understanding of California tax law. I, like all other California businesses, do not "turn over" sales tax collected to the Board of Equalization. It works differently here. Sales taxes on the sales of consumer goods are calculated accurately when my state tax return is filed. What I owe is paid at the same time as I pay all my other state taxes. The seller is not paying me to turn over their payment to the Board of Equalization, but is rather reimbursing me for what I will owe later when I file my taxes.

tl;dr version
In most other states, sales taxes are paid using the seller as a medium to turn the money over to the tax franchise board. In California, instead of that happening, the seller calculates all taxes owed, including sales taxes, at the same time they calculate all their other state taxes. The collection of sales taxes at the point of sale is merely to reimburse the seller for what they will later owe.

 

[kwilsonjr]

I am a California business owner who collects and pays taxes and you are sadly mistaken if you think you can avoid paying sales tax that you collect by 'writing off' anything. But I'm not the tax police so none of my business how many white collar felonies you commit. My biggest concern of the day is when TMO is going to announce the Note.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

I am a California business owner who collects and pays taxes and you are sadly mistaken if you think you can avoid paying sales tax that you collect by 'writing off' anything. But I'm not the tax police so none of my business how many white collar felonies you commit. My biggest concern of the day is when TMO is going to announce the Note.

Then you must know the difference between tax deductions and tax credits. A deduction wouldn't eliminate the tax burden, but a credit does because it's money being given to you rather than merely reducing your taxable income.

This side conversation is pointless. I have a lawyer that has informed me that this is all legal. If his advice turns out to be wrong, there is a legal defense I can assert.

On the topic of T-Mobile support, I guess it probably won't ever get it until it's released in the US (if that ever happens). North America is the only place that uses AWS bands.

 

[kwilsonjr]

On the topic of T-Mobile support, I guess it probably won't ever get it until it's released in the US (if that every happens). North America is the only place that uses AWS bands.

I'm guesstimating AT&T will release January 20, with T-Mobile to follow on February 10. We can always come back to this thread to check the accuracy of my 'guesses' ;-)