The cost of the Pixel/Pixel XL

[Bearcats98]

No device offers what I want. What I would like is a Pixel that includes some of those things due to its high price. Again. At the same price would you decline to buy a Pixel merely because it included those features?

That would certainly be a conundrum for you. Good luck in your search.

 

[Aquila]

You haven't cited a single way their inclusion degrades your experience. They cost virtually nothing to include and you are paying more for a phone with no features than most phones including those features.

Saying you wouldn't use them is fine. I don't use nfc. Saying they ruin your user experience is simply not true. Like there could be an fm radio chip in there that isn't activated and you never know is there. That ruins your experience? Please.

On degradation, I was referring to the microSD functionality.

I’ll start by asserting that internal storage is objectively better than external storage in every practical way. It’s faster, more secure, more stable, involves fewer design compromises, etc.

The first adverse effect of the slot is less internal storage. Now, if someone wants to offer a 128GB or 256GB with a microSD slot – cool, to your point, I could simply not use the slot – however two of those above referenced drawbacks still exist, even without me using it. But so far, 64 and a slot seems to be put into the market instead of 128 GB or more.

The second is related to the nature of using inferior storage. The anecdotal argument thrown out, without fail, in this conversation can be dismissed outright because it ignores the fact that so many other people are having issues and it also fails to acknowledge the objective inferiority of that type of storage. Every single time that we in the forums must try to help someone recover stuff from an SD card because they failed to properly back up their photos and documents, etc and then the card failed – every single time – it is a complete and utter waste of our time because it is a 100% preventable frustration. If the inferior storage didn’t exist and thus didn’t fail, we wouldn’t be having to troubleshoot something that’s immensely difficult to navigate due to the absolute hackery that OEMs must do to get SD card support to resemble the way that they choose to want it to interface with their software.

I think that’s sufficient to preface my position, so I’ll check out there.

 

[Aquila]

So if Pixel cost the same but had fm chip, ir blaster, and card slot... In all other ways the same... You would say the device sucks and buy another brand?

Not necessarily, but I would take those things, which are mistakes in my opinion, into consideration when evaluating the device. There isn’t a perfect device, so everything comes with dealing with some stuff you don’t want and not getting everything you do want. I like front facing stereo speakers. The Pixels don’t have that. But we buy packages, not a modular list of features.

 

[recDNA]

On degradation, I was referring to the microSD functionality.

I’ll start by asserting that internal storage is objectively better than external storage in every practical way. It’s faster, more secure, more stable, involves fewer design compromises, etc.

The first adverse effect of the slot is less internal storage. Now, if someone wants to offer a 128GB or 256GB with a microSD slot – cool, to your point, I could simply not use the slot – however two of those above referenced drawbacks still exist, even without me using it. But so far, 64 and a slot seems to be put into the market instead of 128 GB or more.

The second is related to the nature of using inferior storage. The anecdotal argument thrown out, without fail, in this conversation can be dismissed outright because it ignores the fact that so many other people are having issues and it also fails to acknowledge the objective inferiority of that type of storage. Every single time that we in the forums must try to help someone recover stuff from an SD card because they failed to properly back up their photos and documents, etc and then the card failed – every single time – it is a complete and utter waste of our time because it is a 100% preventable frustration. If the inferior storage didn’t exist and thus didn’t fail, we wouldn’t be having to troubleshoot something that’s immensely difficult to navigate due to the absolute hackery that OEMs must do to get SD card support to resemble the way that they choose to want it to interface with their software.

I think that’s sufficient to preface my position, so I’ll check out there.

Note 7 had 64 gb internal. Adding a slot doesn't require you use it nor does it require reduced internal memory. I'd go for 128gb with sd slot except Google charges so much for internal memory. No need to squeeze every drop of blood like big pharma.

To be honest the ir blaster and fm radio would cost less to put in and mean more to me. I include sd card slot to get a little support because so many love it. I never used sd slot in my note 7 but boy did I miss ir blaster. Luckily my gear 2 has it albeit limited in functions.

Unfortunately pixel won't support gear 2.

 

[dpham00]

No device offers what I want. What I would like is a Pixel that includes some of those things due to its high price. Again. At the same price would you decline to buy a Pixel merely because it included those features?

In life, you have to pick what best works for you... rarely will you get everything that you want

 

[recDNA]

In life, you have to pick what best works for you... rarely will you get everything that you want

True.... But you never get what you don't ask for. People tell me the glass back of samsungs was due to popular demand. I'm adding my popular demand to features I want.

 

[Aquila]

Note 7 had 64 gb internal. Adding a slot doesn't require you use it nor does it require reduced internal memory. I'd go for 128gb with sd slot except Google charges so much for internal memory. No need to squeeze every drop of blood like big pharma.

To be honest the ir blaster and fm radio would cost less to put in and mean more to me. I include sd card slot to get a little support because so many love it. I never used sd slot in my note 7 but boy did I miss ir blaster. Luckily my gear 2 has it albeit limited in functions.

That’s one of my arguments, Samsung clearly feels they are the top competition to Apple who offers 32, 128 and 256. Samsung thus seems to think they can compete at the price point of the 128 GB version with 64 GB + a card. For many, many people that’s acceptable because they can get way more than the missing 64 GB by using a card.

However, as followed in the next argument, that storage will be inferior to what it would be if Samsung merely included 256 GB at the price of a 64 GB phone.

Clearly, I disagree that it’s acceptable and I think that they should have included more internal storage, with or without the micro SD card slot.

 

[recDNA]

That’s one of my arguments, Samsung clearly feels they are the top competition to Apple who offers 32, 128 and 256. Samsung thus seems to think they can compete at the price point of the 128 GB version with 64 GB + a card. For many, many people that’s acceptable because they can get way more than the missing 64 GB by using a card.

However, as followed in the next argument, that storage will be inferior to what it would be if Samsung merely included 256 GB at the price of a 64 GB phone.

Clearly, I disagree that it’s acceptable and I think that they should have included more internal storage, with or without the micro SD card slot.

Again, would you refuse to buy the Pixel if it included at no extra cost an ir blaster and fm radio?

 

[raqball]

Again, would you refuse to buy the Pixel if it included at no extra cost an ir blaster and fm radio?

I might... Depends on what features were cut in order to include them. Everything takes space and resources so it would depend since I consider those features to be gimmicks..

 

[recDNA]

I might... Depends on what features were cut in order to include them. Everything takes space and resources so it would depend since I consider those features to be gimmicks..

Nothing cut as is but includes 2 added features you can decline to use ir blaster and fm radio.

 

[Aquila]

Again, would you refuse to buy the Pixel if it included at no extra cost an ir blaster and fm radio?

Read my earlier response to that exact question. http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-pixel-xl/739679-cost-pixel-pixel-xl-6.html#post5534454

 

[Aquila]

Nothing cut as is but includes 2 added features you can decline to use ir blaster and fm radio.

That’s not how it works. These features come at the cost of things, so what specifically would be cut for us to consider this hypothetical in the context that you intend?

 

[dpham00]

True.... But you never get what you don't ask for. People tell me the glass back of samsungs was due to popular demand. I'm adding my popular demand to features I want.

If course you should ask for what you want but personally I am realistic and use what is readily available

 

[1213 1213]

Ir blaster and fm radio and empty sd card slot use no power when not in use so do no harm. Removable battery is more practical since batteries lose capacity over time. Both of us could be pleased. Saying their presence hurts the phone sounds silly unless you can cite how.

The people the pixel is aimed at are people who want as simplistic an experience as possible. To them, less is intrinsically more unless Apple Google decides that they should use the feature. This is apparent in the fact that even the basic display mode is hidden in the developer options, and the lack of options on the camera, but how fingerprint scanner gestures are okay now and in no way gimmicky to pixel owners.

 

[1213 1213]

That’s not how it works. These features come at the cost of things, so what specifically would be cut for us to consider this hypothetical in the context that you intend?

You may have had a point if the Pixel pricing wasn't identical to the iPhone. They clearly didn't take costs into any major consideration when determining the pricing.

 

[recDNA]

That’s not how it works. These features come at the cost of things, so what specifically would be cut for us to consider this hypothetical in the context that you intend?

Please pretend it does. LG includes more for less in V20 and ir blaster and fm radio are both very cheaply implemented in a phone many agree is overpriced.

Would their presence at no technical nor monitory cost cause you to decline purchasing your pixel?

Put it another way. If you found out tomorrow they are already present - Easter eggs you must download an app to use - would you return your Pixel out of disgust at their mere presence?

 

[Aquila]

You may have had a point if the Pixel pricing wasn't identical to the iPhone. They clearly didn't take costs into any major consideration when determining the pricing.

Can you elaborate?

By “cost”, I am referring to things coming at the expense of something else. So money, time, resources, space, weight, security, durability, etc. Is that the same thing you're referring to?

 

[recDNA]

The people the pixel is aimed at are people who want as simplistic an experience as possible. To them, less is intrinsically more unless Apple Google decides that they should use the feature. This is apparent in the fact that even the basic display mode is hidden in the developer options, and the lack of options on the camera, but how fingerprint scanner gestures are okay now and in no way gimmicky to pixel owners.

I have no use for a fingerprint scanner but I wouldn't decline purchasing a phone due to its presence. It makes phone no more complicated if I don't use it. Similarly, an fm radio and ir blaster you don't use would do you no harm nor make your phone more complex.

 

[Aquila]

Please pretend it does. LG includes more for less in V20 and ir blaster and fm radio are both very cheaply implemented in a phone many agree is overpriced.

Would their presence at no technical nor monitory cost cause you to decline purchasing your pixel?

Put it another way. If you found out tomorrow they are already present - Easter eggs you must download an app to use - would you return your Pixel out of disgust at their mere presence?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-pixel-xl/739679-cost-pixel-pixel-xl-6.html#post5534454

^^ still need you to read the response to the first time you asked this. I feel like the answer was very clear. Also, costs aren't just financial costs to me - they're costs in terms of the package. The V20 as a package is wildly inferior to the Pixel XL, in my opinion, so any particular things about it that I think are better or worse are not deal maker or deal breaker considerations except for one: the V20 is a less secure device than the Pixel phones and always will be.

 

[recDNA]

If course you should ask for what you want but personally I am realistic and use what is readily available

I wish more people felt like you when Samsung had a more practical plastic body and flat screen. I loved the plastic and flat screen but never argued against metal nor plastic nor curved edges. I learned my lesson. If I want a feature I'd better post about it.