The TB is still better then then the iPhone 4s

This, undoubtedly, is the moment in time when the trajectories of iOS and Android cross. One to become an industry-leading technology, the other a niche segment of the market.

Maybe, or maybe one will become the bleeding-edge that reshapes the boundaries of what is possible, and the other will be the also-ran that actually works most of the time.

Don't get me wrong, but I've been in the Linux/Android world for some time, and I've slowly come to the realization that not everyone is a tweaker and a lover of things that push the boundaries (at the risk of occasionally breaking them).

Say what you will about iPhones, but they do have one major advantage. They Just Work. Apple builds their devices to the Lowest Common Denominator, meaning they have lost their edge as a risk-taker, but they do have a reputation for taking the time to make things easy to use before releasing them, and insisting on a consistent user experience by keeping any apps from messing with base functionality.

This is not what you and I are looking for in our phones or our computers, but it is what most people are looking for. Something that just works.

By the same token, I bet very few of us buy kit cars and spend time and effort re-chipping our cars or messing with them.

To the iPhone crowd, it's a phone that has a fixed list of features that work. It's the "Toyota" of the smartphone world. They aren't terribly sexy, but they just plain work, and the company spends a lot of time making sure they do. When problems crop up, they'll do the usual corporate denial ("floor mats" versus "you're holding it wrong"), but they eventually fix the problems.

The Android is more like Lego. Things don't always work QUITE so smoothly (we have to buy upgrades to Pico if we want to understand our phones, the FFC still doesn't work on the Tbolt in Google Talk even now that we have long-delayed GB), but we have the freedom to find our own solutions. I can replace the keyboard, replace the launcher, replace the voices, and even replace the whole farking OPERATING SYSTEM if I have a mind to.

But few people have a mind to. They don't want to tweak and hack and fribble around with their phone/fondleslabs, they just want them to work as phones and fondleslabs.

I think that, until you get an Android manufacturer who steps back from the frantic pace of FASTER, MORE FEATURES and really honestly puts some effort into making their phones work as perfectly as possible in every way, Apple will still have a market for the iPhone.

One example of this is screen size and 4G.

Apple isn't going to expand the screen size. They aren't going to add 4G. They know what both of them do to battery life. They'd end up with a Thunderbolt without the ability to add an extended battery, and it'd be a publicity NIGHTMARE. Honestly, with current battery technology, and especially with the pathetic battery HTC chose for the Tbolt, a 4.3" screen is way too big for this phone and a 4G radio is too aggressive, and the extended battery (which I have) is still only barely adequate and makes it look all lumpy and chunky to boot.

If they wanted this big, beautiful screen and power-sucking 4G, they really should have thickened the whole phone by 1/4" and put in a 4Ah battery, paired it with a 2A charger instead of the 1A we got, and called it a day. 2-hour recharge time plus a solid 24 hours of heavy usage even on 4G, and a few days of moderate use? I'd pay a few ounces of weight for that! But HTC wanted thin, sexy, light, AND huge screen. And the current technology just doesn't support that.

I love this phone, and I love this screen, but I'm willing to take the time and effort to tweak brightness settings and get apps to help me do so. I don't have 4G and don't really care about it, but I understand that some people want more instant gratificaiton than I do. But they also have to expend additional effort managing their battery.

Apple's going to do what they need to do in order to maintain acceptable battery life and offer an acceptable user experience. So they keep the screen small and focus on insanely high resolution and a faster video card, both of which offer improvements to the experience with less impact on battery. Instead of speeding up the data, they offer animations and other time-consumers to make the phone feel faster without needing the additional carrier speed.

Apple is catering to the vast majority of consumers who just want to go and pick up a commodity item that works like their best friend's commodity item.

Android is catering to those who want to push the bleeding edge of technology, and understand that sometimes the bleeding edge cuts deep (hence the name!).
 
I have the iPhone 4 now in conjuction with my tbolt. (iPhone for work). My tbolt got stolen about a month ago and my new is arriving tonight (had to wait for paycheck etc).

That is funny.....your TBolt got stolen by they didn't steal the iPhone. As Simon Cowell says on that Verizon commerical "Those are rubbish, trust me, you don't want one of those"
 
Nate....you said it perfectly like I would have said it, but you used bigger words!...:D

I guess the disappointment in my mind was that with the new introduction of a new iPhone, the technology gets pushed a little bit more and we all (Android/iPhone) see th results of it with newer things....this didn't push anything new that I can tell. Added another processor, better camera, and voice commands. To me, this phone is the STOP GAP for the fanbois to stop complaining. If it was something NEW and WOW...they would have named it "5" and not "S". WHen the new iPhone comes out next June, I might revisit the thought of upgrading to it, but it will have to WOW me!
 
haha yea the TB got stolen and my i didn't. I can't tell you how much i don't like that phone haha. Can't wait to have my TB back
 
Nate....you said it perfectly like I would have said it, but you used bigger words!...:D

I guess the disappointment in my mind was that with the new introduction of a new iPhone, the technology gets pushed a little bit more and we all (Android/iPhone) see th results of it with newer things....this didn't push anything new that I can tell. Added another processor, better camera, and voice commands. To me, this phone is the STOP GAP for the fanbois to stop complaining. If it was something NEW and WOW...they would have named it "5" and not "S". WHen the new iPhone comes out next June, I might revisit the thought of upgrading to it, but it will have to WOW me!

I doubt it will, sorry.

"Wow!" is going to be the exclusive domain of Android for a while, but (like with the Thunderbolt), we don't have to depend on the manufacturers to give us our "Wow!". All they have to do is build kick-ass hardware and move units out the door with specs on how the hardware works. Then a few dozen amateur (not in terms of skill, but in terms of excitement) developers break the things to find out what their true limits are, and release software that takes full advantage of the hardware (then the manufacturers can reuse those enhancements in their own releases, and give the stock users at least a little "Wow!". Maybe more of a "Neat!" than a "Wow!"). :p

Apple's got a big uphill battle on the "Wow!" front. They have a proprietary operating system that no one else helps them write in any realistic fashion. They don't allow others to improve that operating system aftermarket. They have a limited design team who is in the business of making sure that the hardware is NOT pushed beyond its limits. They've got an app management team who is in the business of making sure that no one can enhance the phone beyond what Apple says it should do. They have a serious case of "Not Invented Here" syndrome, but what they do invent they put a lot of thought into.

Several people here at work asked about which phone to use. In general, the answer was "if you don't already know the answer to that question, you probably want an iPhone". The people who chose Androids had been researching phone options for months, could quote specs back to me (obviously better than I can myself, given my 5Mpix gaffe earlier in this very thread :p), and already knew that they wanted Androids. They didn't need to come to the office geek.
 
iPhone 4/4S is a great phone.

You would think going from the iPhone 3GS (2+ years old) to the Thunderbolt would be a complete upgrade, but no. My 3GS still does some things better.

In areas like usability and smoothness, the iPhone takes a "steaming dump" on Android.

I still prefer Android for its customization.
 
iPhone 4/4S is a great phone.

You would think going from the iPhone 3GS (2+ years old) to the Thunderbolt would be a complete upgrade, but no. My 3GS still does some things better.

In areas like usability and smoothness, the iPhone takes a "steaming dump" on Android.

I still prefer Android for its customization.

I would have to disagree. In using the 4 and the TB at the same time my TB is faster is every aspect of usage. My iPhone takes longer to load applications, load google maps, load directions, and especially when streaming music or video. My TB will have pandora and up running and the iPhone 4 will be at the loading screen still.
 
Apple didn't mess up they did just enough to keep milking it. When they have LTE and a 4 inch screen ill gladly jump ship
 
That is funny.....your TBolt got stolen by they didn't steal the iPhone. As Simon Cowell says on that Verizon commerical "Those are rubbish, trust me, you don't want one of those"

Sorry about that. Hang on tight to your new one

sent from my Thunderbolt....and the thunder rolls !
 
Fyi the 14.4 mbps download speed refers to the gsm technologies in the iPhone. The cdma is still going to be sprint and Verizon's 3G, which has speeds of a max of 2, maybe 3 mbps. Thunderbolt averages 5-50 mbps in 4G.

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yeah, those hspa+ speeds are useless unless you're on AT&T or global roaming. Kinda of odd they only added support for the 14.4 and not 21mbps network though. Behind as usual I suppose.
 
In areas like usability and smoothness, the iPhone takes a "steaming dump" on Android.

And THIS is what has me thinking of dumping Android and getting a new iPhone. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I could handle the smaller screen size. Typing on the 4.3" TBolt is difficult enough.
 
And THIS is what has me thinking of dumping Android and getting a new iPhone. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I could handle the smaller screen size. Typing on the 4.3" TBolt is difficult enough.

I don't necessarily agree with iphone taking a dump on android smoothness. The trouble is the manufacturers putting all their skins and crap on them. If you run a clean version of android on these devices it runs just as well. But I do agree in the form that they are sold with that IOS definitely runs better. Just wish the handset manufacturers would stop adding their crap.
 
I don't necessarily agree with iphone taking a dump on android smoothness. The trouble is the manufacturers putting all their skins and crap on them. If you run a clean version of android on these devices it runs just as well. But I do agree in the form that they are sold with that IOS definitely runs better. Just wish the handset manufacturers would stop adding their crap.

You may be right. I haven't had the opportunity to try a "vanilla" Android device, and I'm hoping one makes it to VZW before the end of the year.

Having said that, my TB with the new GB update works a lot more smoothly than it did before. If it weren't for the native VM notifications issue, it'd be an excellent phone. As it stands now, it's very good.
 
And THIS is what has me thinking of dumping Android and getting a new iPhone. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I could handle the smaller screen size. Typing on the 4.3" TBolt is difficult enough.

Why are you having difficulty? Touchscreen is very easy to type on. I have smart keyboard pro and love it. Whether you use stock keyboard or an app touch is great. Calibration will help with your touch. If that's an issue try calibrating.

sent from my Thunderbolt....and the thunder rolls !
 
If you are dealing with a stock Thunderbolt and a stock iPhone:
The iPhone will win in most aspects... smoothness, screen, gaming performance (GPU)

However, if you are dealing with a rooted Thunderbolt and a jailbroken iPhone:
The thunderbolt wins hands down.
Better battery life (no, seriously, I get a full 24 hours with a 12.5 hour workday in there). With the iPhone I got 5 hours tops (and thats how much I use my phone at work).
Screen will always be more crisp on the iPhone... but damn its small.
Performance: CM7 OC'd to 1.4Ghz and I personally feel it was smoother than my iPhone 4. Believe it or now, my jailbroken iPhone 4 had a lot of lag and a lot of crashing (check out my youtube channel gatorman55's Channel - YouTube)
Features in stock android we still not available in the iPhone 4 after jailbreak. You supposedly could download files from the browser if you used boss prefs... and that doesn't work on the verizon iphone... kept crashing.
While the GPU on the Thunderbolt is nothing to write home to mom about (my epic, which was older, had a much better GPU), there is really nothing it can't run in the android market.. which is what matters.
 
all good, a owner that KNOWS how to use their phone beats brand every day of the week! Hail you!
 

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