The truth about "out of focus" indoor photos

Darth Mo

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I see a lot of complaints that in the series of photos taken at a party, many of them come out of focus or parts of the shot are blurry, while some proclaim the camera is great.

What I think is happening is because this phone camera has a wider aperture (f/2.0) and larger pixels than pretty much any camera phone to date (as well as most point-shoot-cameras) that it's actually exhibiting a relatively small Depth of Field. While this is a desirable trait for photographers and photo enthusiasts, it can be very frustrating for novices.

What this means is that at a given focus distance (let's say 5'), all objects 5' away will be at acceptable focus. However, objects that are increasingly closer or further away they will rapidly start to be further and further out of focus. In contrast, cameras with a large depth of field (vast majority of camera phones and many point and shoots) keep objects in focus over much larger distances from the actual focal plane. The objects are losing focus, but still found acceptable by most. Or in many cases, the camera is focused at infinity, so any objects behind the subject are in focus to infinite distance

Let's say you're trying to take a photo of a group of six people huddled together using the One. If the focus is on the person standing closest, there is a good chance you will lose acceptable focus on the person standing furthest away and any people/objects towards the outer edge of the frame if the shooter is standing too close. Since we don't have control over focal length (optical zoom) with the One, the best solution is to try and focus on the person/object that is mid-distance from the furthest and closest objects in the frame, and/or try to increase the distance from the shooter and the group if possible.

So while you get the advantage of better low light performance with the wider aperture and larger pixels, you also get the tradeoff of reduced depth of field. It's something the vast majority of people using cameras never have to deal with or even consider, but with the increased specs on this camera phone one might need to be a little more aware instead of just snapping away.

Understanding Depth of Field in Photography
 
Everything you wrote about depth of field is correct. But depth of field- even at 2.0 is still incredibly deep on a cell phone due to the very short focal length and incredibly small sensor size. Depth of field is inversely related to sensor size. So F 2.0 on a full frame is very shallow indeed. But F 2.0 on a camera phone is comparable to f 11 or greater on a full frame camera.
 
Everything you wrote about depth of field is correct. But depth of field- even at 2.0 is still incredibly deep on a cell phone due to the very short focal length and incredibly small sensor size. Depth of field is inversely related to sensor size. So F 2.0 on a full frame is very shallow indeed. But F 2.0 on a camera phone is comparable to f 11 or greater on a full frame camera.

I think this is correct, maybe not f11 but certainly much more depth of field than any DSLR at f2.

Regarding the focus issue I think it is more likely due to slow shutter speeds.

Novices see that apparently there.was enough light but don't understand that a slow shutter was used to get the light.

If they took the same of with most other phones they would get a dark blurry mess and realize there wasn't enough light for the shot.

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Everything you wrote about depth of field is correct. But depth of field- even at 2.0 is still incredibly deep on a cell phone due to the very short focal length and incredibly small sensor size. Depth of field is inversely related to sensor size. So F 2.0 on a full frame is very shallow indeed. But F 2.0 on a camera phone is comparable to f 11 or greater on a full frame camera.

Doest make sense to me. If you have a source for the claim that dof is impacted by pixel size instead of focal length, please provide a link.

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I'm pretty sure that most of the out-of-focus shots you see is because there's not enough light for the camera to lock focus. Do you see a green focus indicator? The One's fantastic light capture greatly improves low light performance so it can lock focus. You can't focus in the dark.
 
For those interested here is a really good summary of how sensor size and pixel size impact images and depth of field. It also covers pixel size and dynamic range, which is my biggest disappointment with the one's camera. Based on this reference, it seems it should be better. Perhaps they can tweak it in software.

Digital Camera Sensor Sizes: How it Influences Your Photography

That was really educational! A bit much, at times, but a great article, nonetheless! Thanks for sharing it.
 
Can someone calculate how deep the dof would be for a One taking a group shot of 6 people?

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Can someone calculate how deep the dof would be for a One taking a group shot of 6 people?

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really deep.

According to this site calculator - a 1/3" sensor with f2 aperture at 3.9mm (equivalent to 28mm on 35mm film) the depth of field would be equivalent to f14.4 on full frame camera or f9 on an APS-C camera.

That seems like much more depth of field that I am experiencing with the One. I thought it would be closer to f8 on full frame and about f5 on APS-C.
 

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