Thinking on leaving Android

[anon(55900)]

I know a lot about Blackberry 10 and believe me I still strongly want to try it out. They need some high end hardware besides the Z30 on Verizon though. That AT&T version of the Passport looks amazing.

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I'm waiting on the Slider BB, they are looking at a release between October and January, It is supposed to be a flag ship like the Passport, but perhaps a dual curved screen, high specs, full screen plus slides to expose a physical keyboard, which I want. If they can't make the release by end of year then I'll get the Passport.

 

[vbdwork]

I was pleasantly surprised at all the ways one can get App's on the BB, you get, yes, limited App's in BB World, but you can also download Android Apps through Amazon but also, you can easily side load an App called Snap (by using a free loader on your PC called sachesi) which is a very good front for the Google Play Store, virtually all the Apps that liked when on the Nexus 4 works just as good on the BB.

BB10 OS offers only limited Android apps compatibility. All apps with Google Play Services requirements won't run correctly (hack is needed, not guaranteed to work), also all apps with direct hardware access requirements won't run (no solution). And BB10 runs Android apps through Android 4.3 software emulation, much slower than similar specs Android hardware. Android apps on BlackBerry Z10 for example run no faster than 2011 Galaxy S2 level. Not to mention 3rd party hardware compatibility issues with BB10 OS. Wearables, wireless printers, OBD scanners, etc. are hit and miss situation. You have to try to make sure it works and no much information is available due to extremely small group of BB10 users (currently about 0.2% or less of total mobile market).

 

[A895]

I'm waiting on the Slider BB, they are looking at a release between October and January, It is supposed to be a flag ship like the Passport, but perhaps a dual curved screen, high specs, full screen plus slides to expose a physical keyboard, which I want. If they can't make the release by end of year then I'll get the Passport.

Chen is such a tease how do you show off the Slider Blackberry but don't allow anyone to touch or get any closeups of it or any specs? I am interested to see what it really looks like and what the specs are though. I am a bit envious though, I remember seeing coworker I worked with a Blackberry Torch back in summer of 2011 and I thought it was so cool, touchscreen with a onscreen keyboard and a hardware keyboard. As a matter of fact the first smartphone I almost bought was a 9930 that was being sold at the Verizon by my house in NY. But I needed up getting Samsung Gen then a Droid Incredible 2.

And then I almost got the Q10 in 2013 but changed it to the Moto X 2013. That's twice I missed out. Maybe the third time, if they put out something truly compelling.

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[vbdwork]

Android runs like crap with full RAM, just like a computer does. That myth needs to die. Android when RAM is full kicks out things even more in they aren't in the foreground. More app crashes, more lag.

If you're talking about cheap $100 Android device - probably.

JellyBean and up have very good memory management system, no actions requires from user side. I don't understand what crashes and lags you're talking about. Quad-core SoC devices with 2GB RAM run JB, KK, LP perfectly smooth. I don't even see many lags on my qual-core SoC with 1GB RAM device (HTC Desire 601). It's fast and fluid.

 

[A895]

BB10 OS offers only limited Android apps compatibility. All apps with Google Play Services requirements won't run correctly (hack is needed, not guaranteed to work), also all apps with direct hardware access requirements won't run (no solution). And BB10 runs Android apps through Android 4.3 software emulation, much slower than similar specs Android hardware. Android apps on BlackBerry Z10 for example run no faster than 2011 Galaxy S2 level. Not to mention 3rd party hardware compatibility issues with BB10 OS. Wearables, wireless printers, OBD scanners, etc. are hit and miss situation. You have to try to make sure it works and no much information is available due to extremely small group of BB10 users (currently about 0.2% or less of total mobile market).

No they actually have the actual Google play store running on Blackberry. I have seen the videos on it. It actually runs well and regular Google Play apps run pretty well actually. Someone made a patched version of Google Play Services and the rest is history. You basically make BB10 into a full Android device. Interesting to say the least

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[A895]

If you're talking about cheap $100 Android device - probably.

JellyBean and up have very good memory management system, no actions requires from user side. I don't understand what crashes and lags you're talking about. Quad-core SoC devices with 2GB RAM run JB, KK, LP perfectly smooth. I don't even see many lags on my qual-core SoC with 1GB RAM device (HTC Desire 601). It's fast and fluid.

Either you haven't actually run apps with your memory full on a device with a 1GB of RAM or you just are denying it.

http://i.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2mvhkh

I can be listening to music and at times music will get kicked out of the memory. 1GB of RAM and Android is atrocious.

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[vbdwork]

No they actually have the actual Google play store running on Blackberry. I have seen the videos on it. It actually runs well and regular Google Play apps run pretty well actually. Someone made a patched version of Google Play Services and the rest is history. You basically make BB10 into a full Android device.

I got rid of my last BlackBerry device just few weeks ago. I know well what's available. And it's not much.

Either you haven't actually run apps with your memory full on a device with a 1GB of RAM or you just are denying it.

The more apps I keep in memory - the smoother the device is. This is my experience. Never had force closed app because of lack of RAM.

 

[A895]

I got rid of my last BlackBerry device just few weeks ago. I know well what's available. And it's not much.



The more apps I keep in memory - the smoother the device is. This is my experience. Never had force closed app because of lack of RAM.

Did you not see my link? Hundreds of people with memory issues. And more on that Motorola thread. Android now needs 2GB of RAM top have a decent experience.

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[anon(55900)]

BB10 OS offers only limited Android apps compatibility. All apps with Google Play Services requirements won't run correctly (hack is needed, not guaranteed to work), also all apps with direct hardware access requirements won't run (no solution). And BB10 runs Android apps through Android 4.3 software emulation, much slower than similar specs Android hardware. Android apps on BlackBerry Z10 for example run no faster than 2011 Galaxy S2 level. Not to mention 3rd party hardware compatibility issues with BB10 OS. Wearables, wireless printers, OBD scanners, etc. are hit and miss situation. You have to try to make sure it works and no much information is available due to extremely small group of BB10 users (currently about 0.2% or less of total mobile market).

I even run Google's Keep and it works exactly like on my Nexus 4, but yes there are some Google Apps that run slow, like Google Maps but strangely Waze which is owned by Google works perfect. I also run Key Ring, FB Messenger, Color Notes, Yummly, Amazon.com, Amazon Kindle, Ever Note, the list goes on and on, as well as other 3rd party Android Apps with zero slow down.

 

[vbdwork]

Did you not see my link?

No. I see my two Android (KK and LP) devices. They are right here, in front of me.

... the list goes on and on, as well as other 3rd party Android Apps with zero slow down.

If you're happy with the performance, keep the device. BlackBerry is a dead end for me, no more.

 

[Aquila]

How is the Moto G or even RAZR M extremely low end? I guess with a Nexus 6 it would. Even then I would wager majority of Android devices sold aren't even nowhere near the specs of the Nexus 6. And with the majority of people on AC using more up to date hardware they would be of course not knowledgeable about anyone who used devices with less specs would fare with the same apps.

What makes it worse is that how many people say Android is slow? Or get viruses or whatever? Issues like this would cause someone to go to a different platform. And many of these people aren't smart enough to participate on tech forums.

I think there is a strong argument in that of why people end up on iOS.

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I meant low end devices which are very old.

 

[A895]

No. I see my two Android (KK and LP) devices. They are right here, in front of me.

So your anecdote trumps my link full of Android users who have memory issues? Or even my post that I made before where I provided screenshots of Google services running multiple processes in the background?

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[A895]

I meant low end devices which are very old.

Shouldn't an OS be optimized on whatever hardware so issues like this wouldn't be a thing regardless of specs?

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[vbdwork]

So your anecdote trumps my link full of Android users who have memory issues? Or even my post that I made before where I provided screenshots of Google services running multiple processes in the background?

I don't take a complaint.somewhere.for.something as a trusted source of information, sorry.

Yes, Google Play Services is running multiple background processes and nothing is wrong with that.

 

[vbdwork]

Shouldn't an OS be optimized on whatever hardware so issues like this wouldn't be a thing regardless of specs?

No. Windows 10 won't be optimized for i486 computers, that's for sure.

 

[A895]

I don't take a complaint.somewhere.for.something as a trusted source of information, sorry.

Yes, Google Play Services is running multiple background processes and nothing is wrong with that.

Wow.

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[A895]

No. Windows 10 won't be optimized for i486 computers, that's for sure.

I don't know what that is. But Windows 10 will run on anything as far back 5 years or even more. Windows has always been so diverse in hardware support. And Windows can be operated without Microsoft just fine unlike Android where without Google you lose most of the appeal of Android.

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[Aquila]

Shouldn't an OS be optimized on whatever hardware so issues like this wouldn't be a thing regardless of specs?

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That's the job of the OEM, not the OS creator. I'm guessing those devices worked great on the software they released with.

 

[vbdwork]

Wow.

Users with no issues usually don't post in forums.
You only see users with complaints, a very small % of all users.

 

[A895]

That's the job of the OEM, not the OS creator. I'm guessing those devices worked great on the software they released with.

Why can't the OS creator have the foresight to make software that can run on multiple hardware types? Microsoft can do it.

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