Thinking on leaving Android

[grover5]

To you. When you have 1GB of RAM and only have 250 or less free and you want to check feedly, it uses it what precious RAM you have plus the RAM used by feedly.

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I'm new to android this year. I thought kitkat was supposed to make it run well on devices with as little as 512 mb. I've only had the higher RAM android devices (Nexus 5 and 6). That's disappointing. I wonder why it is so inefficient.

 

[A895]

Android does like having RAM as full as possible.

No, it doesn't. Like my link I put up earlier me and others have issues with Android with 1GB of RAM. Having your RAM full does in no way help anything. What God does it do to have that many apps in memory bring kicked in and out and having to be restarted once RAM runs out? If anything having all those apps in memory will decrease performance and may adversely make your battery run out faster.

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[A895]

I'm new to android this year. I thought kitkat was supposed to make it run well on devices with as little as 512 mb. I've only had the higher RAM android devices (Nexus 5 and 6). That's disappointing. I wonder why it is so inefficient.

Android is fine on KitKat. It's this:



Google services is a resource hog. It will not only run several processes in the background. It will use your CPU. Many times I look in Background processes and Google Services will be near the top of the list:



Google services is inefficient. It isn't the battery killer it used to be. But it still is doing too much in the background.

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[vbdwork]

Well, yeah that's why I said multitasking is bad sometimes.

Your RAZR M phone is mid-2012 technology, dual-core Krait with slow Adreno 225 GPU and has 822MB usable RAM. You make comments on 2015 Subaru Impreza WRX STI performance based on your 2005 Toyota Corolla 1.8L experience.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Android is fine on KitKat. It's this:

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Google services is a resource hog. It will not only run several processes in the background. It will use your CPU. Many times I look in Background processes and Google Services will be near the top of the list:

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Google services is inefficient. It isn't the battery killer it used to be. But it still is doing too much in the background.

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I still feel that you do not understand how Android is supposed to run. I'm not having any lag on my device, despite the 100% usage by more than one app.

 

[Almeuit]

This is mine. Only ChompSMS / hangouts open in the application manager.

Every device I've owned does this though.. Loads up RAM with a lot.. That's what Android does .

 

[Laura Knotek]

Please see this guide: http://forums.androidcentral.com/ambassador-guides-tips-how-s/380592-guide-ram-android.html

This blog post is also good. It is written by a software developer who works on Android.

 

[A895]

I still feel that you do not understand how Android is supposed to run. I'm not having any lag on my device, despite the 100% usage by more than one app.
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I am specifically talking about 1GB of RAM phones. That is where the issues lies. Not android, not phones with more than 1GB of RAM. I Am specifically and ONLY talking about how the Google Services app affects 1GB of RAM phones. That is it. No one in this entire thread is understanding nothing I am saying despite me saying several times.

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[A895]

This is mine. Only ChompSMS / hangouts open in the application manager.

Every device I've owned does this though.. Loads up RAM with a lot.. That's what Android does .

That's no my point.

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[Aquila]

I hate to keep saying this, so last time it'll be in this manner. Keep discussion on topic. If you don't like a post, ignore it and move on.

Nexus 6 Assassin Edition. Android Central Moderator.

 

[grover5]

I am specifically talking about 1GB of RAM phones. That is where the issues lies. Not android, not phones with more than 1GB of RAM. I Am specifically and ONLY talking about how the Google Services app affects 1GB of RAM phones. That is it. No one in this entire thread is understanding nothing I am saying despite me saying several times.

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I understand what you're saying. My point was that google services only was using 48 to 60 mb at its worst on my phone. That doesn't seem like enough to be an issue on a 1 GB phone.

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[Almeuit]

I am specifically talking about 1GB of RAM phones. That is where the issues lies. Not android, not phones with more than 1GB of RAM. I Am specifically and ONLY talking about how the Google Services app affects 1GB of RAM phones. That is it. No one in this entire thread is understanding nothing I am saying despite me saying several times.

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I get what you're saying but .. Google services was taking up ~50 MB from your screenshot of RAM. So that is the part I am confused on.

 

[A895]

I understand what you're saying. My point was that google services only was using 48 to 60 mb at its worst on my phone. That doesn't seem like enough to be an issue on a 1 GB phone.

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It is when that is constantly in the background using memory. I have had games kicked out of memory before. I mean look at my screenshot, it cleanly shows it uses a good number of RAM. Apps already are heavy as is. Having something like that constantly in the background hurts more than anything.

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[A895]

I get what you're saying but .. Google services was taking up ~50 MB from your screenshot of RAM. So that is the part I am confused on.

It is not even just RAM usage, I dislike that fact that it runs so many processes in the first place. It has a process specifically for Android wear always running the background on my phone when I don't own any Android wear devices. I can't control what it does. At least with anything else I can disable it at worst and it won't run in the background anymore.

Google Services is being so engrained with Android as a whole, that without your phone loses a ton of functionality. The fact that is uses all that of in the background and contributes to me having less free RAM to even play simple games is only just another insult.

But again, no one in this thread besides me is using a 1GB of RAM device as a daily driver. 1GB of RAM was perfectly fine in 2012-2013 and even early last year it was fine. But now, apps use so much RAM and CPU power that Feedly was my biggest battery usage for a single app yesterday despite using it for less than 30 minutes in the entirety of yesterday. Not only that apps like Feedly regularly use 100MB+ of RAM. As soon as I fire it up, I expect every other app I have in memory to be kicked out so I have to watch a splash screen or reload the app all over again.

Even the Android Central app uses up to 100MB of RAM or more regularly. Can you see now how having something like that Google Services app running constantly in the background can inhibit performance?

And that isn't even the worst of it. Last year Google Services used to regularly use over 100MB of RAM. It seems they made it leaner recently. But I wish I could control what processes it does.

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[Almeuit]

But again, no one in this thread besides me is using a 1GB of RAM device as a daily driver. 1GB of RAM was perfectly fine in 2012-2013 and even early last year it was fine. But now, apps use so much RAM and CPU power that Feedly was my biggest battery usage for a single app yesterday despite using it for less than 30 minutes in the entirety of yesterday. Not only that apps like Feedly regularly use 100MB+ of RAM. As soon as I fire it up, I expect every other app I have in memory to be kicked out so I have to watch a splash screen or reload the app all over again.

I definitely don't use an Android phone with 1 GB of RAM but I did use an iPhone 6+ for about .. 3-4 months so I feel you. The problem with Apple though is I can't see what was running -- I really wish I could have though since it had issues due to such low RAM. If I had webpages.. or Facebook open and down in my feed .. and left the app for 30-1 min it would have to redraw / reload everything as if I just opened it. It was super annoying especially when jumping around. I assume the RAM was being taken up by some services that Apple uses -- like Android.

Sadly if you're on an older phone with 1 GB of RAM it just isn't enough now a days. It is just like having an older PC .. everything gears towards more and more specs.

 

[syspry]

It is not even just RAM usage, I dislike that fact that it runs so many processes in the first place. It has a process specifically for Android wear always running the background on my phone when I don't own any Android wear devices. I can't control what it does. At least with anything else I can disable it at worst and it won't run in the background anymore.

Google Services is being so engrained with Android as a whole, that without your phone loses a ton of functionality. The fact that is uses all that of in the background and contributes to me having less free RAM to even play simple games is only just another insult.

But again, no one in this thread besides me is using a 1GB of RAM device as a daily driver. 1GB of RAM was perfectly fine in 2012-2013 and even early last year it was fine. But now, apps use so much RAM and CPU power that Feedly was my biggest battery usage for a single app yesterday despite using it for less than 30 minutes in the entirety of yesterday. Not only that apps like Feedly regularly use 100MB+ of RAM. As soon as I fire it up, I expect every other app I have in memory to be kicked out so I have to watch a splash screen or reload the app all over again.

Even the Android Central app uses up to 100MB of RAM or more regularly. Can you see now how having something like that Google Services app running constantly in the background can inhibit performance?

And that isn't even the worst of it. Last year Google Services used to regularly use over 100MB of RAM. It seems they made it leaner recently. But I wish I could control what processes it does.

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Rumour has it that Google will be bringing back something akin to the App Ops function that was briefly available on jellybean so that might resolve your concern about lack of control over running services.

You might be pleasantly surprised at how a more current beefier flagship runs on 5.x though rather than just leaving for another OS entirely

 

[A895]

I definitely don't use an Android phone with 1 GB of RAM but I did use an iPhone 6+ for about .. 3-4 months so I feel you. The problem with Apple though is I can't see what was running -- I really wish I could have though since it had issues due to such low RAM. If I had webpages.. or Facebook open and down in my feed .. and left the app for 30-1 min it would have to redraw / reload everything as if I just opened it. It was super annoying especially when jumping around. I assume the RAM was being taken up by some services that Apple uses -- like Android.

Sadly if you're on an older phone with 1 GB of RAM it just isn't enough now a days. It is just like having an older PC .. everything gears towards more and more specs.

Yeah, I want to get a new phone I really do. But few phones meet my niche wants/needs. And even those few devices have compromises.

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[A895]

Rumour has it that Google will be bringing back something akin to the App Ops function that was briefly available on jellybean so that might resolve your concern about lack of control over running services.

You might be pleasantly surprised at how a more current beefier flagship runs on 5.x though rather than just leaving for another OS entirely

These much beefier flagships all suck in my opinion. Samsung Galaxy S6 lost water resistance and micro SD expansion and the removable battery. LG keeps going bigger and bigger with all their phones. HTC, they made an M8S not a M9 plus they are way too finicky on updates lately. And Motorola lost micro SD expansion for their flagships.

So yeah, Android doesn't look that good in my opinion. At least if I was going to jump to another midrange device, I would be warmed that it would last awhile, but it seems anyone that isn't Motorola (and to an extent Samsung) they don't even bother updating their mid to low end devices. And even then with Samsung and Motorola, their midrange to low end have compromises.

As of now, I am debating getting the Moto E 2015 off Verizon full price off Amazon (which is less than $100) and using it until my upgrade or getting the Samsung Galaxy Core Prime off contract (less than $200). Both have the same specs besides Samsung throw a camera flash on the Car Prime.

Those are literally my best options unless I want to buy a Blackberry Z10 which isn't worth it since it has the same processor as my current phone. So yeah, Android sucks right now.

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[Almeuit]

These much beefier flagships all suck in my opinion. Samsung Galaxy S6 lost water resistance and micro SD expansion and the removable battery. LG keeps going bigger and bigger with all their phones. HTC, they made an M8S not a M9 plus they are way too finicky on updates lately. And Motorola lost micro SD expansion for their flagships.

So yeah, Android doesn't look that good in my opinion. At least if I was going to jump to another midrange device, I would be warmed that it would last awhile, but it seems anyone that isn't Motorola (and to an extent Samsung) they don't even bother updating their mid to low end devices. And even then with Samsung and Motorola, their midrange to low end have compromises.

As of now, I am debating getting the Moto E 2015 off Verizon full price off Amazon (which is less than $100) and using it until my upgrade or getting the Samsung Galaxy Core Prime off contract (less than $200). Both have the same specs besides Samsung throw a camera flash on the Car Prime.

Those are literally my best options unless I want to buy a Blackberry Z10 which isn't worth it since it has the same processor as my current phone. So yeah, Android sucks right now.

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While I can agree in your opinion it sucks but -- If your biggest complaints are lack of SD card and removable battery -- I say they're doing pretty good. Otherwise the hardware is definitely being upgraded / made better in each phone.

 

[A895]

While I can agree in your opinion it sucks but -- If your biggest complaints are lack of SD card and removable battery -- I say they're doing pretty good. Otherwise the hardware is definitely being upgraded / made better in each phone.

My biggest complaints are that majority of phones are phablets and my pockets nor my hands are getting any bigger. Along with lack external storage in many phones now, is why smart phones on the high end are losing my interest.

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