This article says it all about OS updates

[Gary02468]

It's about time people are not forced to update to the new software, or at the very least be able to revert back to the original OS.

The problem is that if you don't update your software, you can't get the latest security updates (it would be too costly for manufacturers to have to support security updates for multiple OS versions for the same phone).

Without the latest security updates, you are vulnerable to having your phone compromised in worldwide mass attacks that are increasingly common. Not only would that harm you, and drive phone costs up when you have to call your manufacturer or carrier for tech support when it happens, but furthermore it harms other users when your phone is hijacked as a bot to participate in further attacks.

And problems with updates are actually rare. It's just that most people don't run to the forums to ask why everything is going smoothly for them.

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

The problem is that if you don't update your software, you can't get the latest security updates (it would be too costly for manufacturers to have to support security updates for multiple OS versions for the same phone).

Without the latest security updates, you are vulnerable to having your phone compromised in worldwide mass attacks that are increasingly common. Not only would that harm you, and drive phone costs up when you have to call your manufacturer or carrier for tech support when it happens, but furthermore it harms other users when your phone is hijacked as a bot to participate in further attacks.

And problems with updates are actually rare. It's just that most people don't run to the forums to ask why everything is going smoothly for them.

I agree, but there are millions of people that don't even come to the forums that remain silent and we don't see their problems, and how many times do the carriers fault the app, not the OS.

That's an area that iPhone wins, not so many brands of phone's to support. They control the software and hardware.

 

[rdubmu]

I updated to Oreo, without doing a FSR, and have has zero issues

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

I updated to Oreo, without doing a FSR, and have has zero issues

Yup, several have, and several have had problems. Your one of the lucky ones. Don't jinx yourself. Lol

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I agree, but there are millions of people that don't even come to the forums that remain silent and we don't see their problems, and how many times do the carriers fault the app, not the OS.

That's an area that iPhone wins, not so many brands of phone's to support. They control the software and hardware.

iOS is imperfect

iOS since has been pretty messed up. 11.4 (I'm running beta builds) is significantly better but back then, it was atrocious in terms of stability.

Software is hard, especially when you have to release a major update every year, which I think is nowhere near long enough for a stable release given the increasing amounts of complexity.

 

[donm527]

I agree around ios 11.4 or some build last year there was a build that had issues in my usage too (ran beta on one of my devices while standard on my iPad). But the difference from ios and Android (non Pixel), is that Apple are quickly aware of bugs and they will push out an update or a new build and resolve it on weeks or a month usually. I find the current ios version has been just fine and took care of past issues for me.

With an Android OS update, hopefully it can be addressed in a security update and they have been better trying to keep their promise of monthly updates (even though there is a recent article saying some OEMs are lying and not pushing updates at times). But if they don't, and especially if the issue is a Samsung software issue or conflict with the OS, then you could be looking at being stuck until the next OS update in 12 months because OEMs don't often push mid year OS x.5 like Apple will throughout the year. In my experience Apple usually push 2-3 major OS updates per year along with their periodic updates.

iOS is imperfect

iOS since has been pretty messed up. 11.4 (I'm running beta builds) is significantly better but back then, it was atrocious in terms of stability.

Software is hard, especially when you have to release a major update every year, which I think is nowhere near long enough for a stable release given the increasing amounts of complexity.

 

[pool_shark]

Yup, several have, and several have had problems. Your one of the lucky ones. Don't jinx yourself. Lol

I think the ones having problems are the oddity and those not having problems are the norm.
Again, the only time I've ever had an issue (not just something I don't like), was because the theme I was using wasn't compatible with the new OS.

 

[tadpoles]

I think the ones having problems are the oddity and those not having problems are the norm.
Again, the only time I've ever had an issue (not just something I don't like), was because the theme I was using wasn't compatible with the new OS.

I think that's true as well and it makes logical sense. If most people's phones were being broken by the update there would be a global roar in the tech press. There will always be some users that have some problems with an OS update, that's pretty much par for the course from what I've seen in the four years or so.

 

[Rukbat]

But the difference from ios and Android (non Pixel), is that Apple are quickly aware of bugs and they will push out an update or a new build and resolve it on weeks or a month usually.

And a bug that renders a huge number of phones inoperative will result in a lot of them - Apple or Pixel - being returned under warranty, and that costs. (Especially if Apple's "tech" support is as good [bad, really] as Google's. They shipped me a new phone because "there's a hardware failure", but while waiting for it, I figured out the software problem and fixed it. That would have been another refurb for which they would have lost some money.)

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

I think that's true as well and it makes logical sense. If most people's phones were being broken by the update there would be a global roar in the tech press. There will always be some users that have some problems with an OS update, that's pretty much par for the course from what I've seen in the four years or so.

I'm just going to throw out there that there are a lot of people that don't do much more then Facebook, texting, a little web browsing on their phones. I know lots of them. They are content with stock everything and don't know what play store is.

 

[Gray Area]

my note 8 after oreo... well I did a clean install, spent 3-4hrs syncing, logging in and setting up my settings the way I like it. yes I used Samsung cloud, Google restore and action launcher restore, so everything was there I just needed to tweak it all and log back in to everything. The phone seems to be about the same speed however Gmail along with a couple other apps crash randomly, never did before oreo. Battery life was never great but it's significantly worse on oreo! like by an hr sot! idk I like oreos few new features but yeah updates are overrated! security updates are more desirable and needed imo.

 

[L_Wolf_78]

Whether it is the latest OS of Nougat (for most of us on Android now) the added feature's are not really going to help much. Given how often we get even a patch for it (or any previous version) may depend on our carrier & geographic location. Alright.
What should be more regular is the Security Updates. If anything is going to bring our device's down in speed or the various other issues we all face at some point with each OS upgrade, it is the security system. Or lack of!
Rooted or not, any app/site that is not true any longer can do whatever it is going to do. How often do we see or hear of the "latest" hacker attack in the form of malware/virus/cryptosystem? We need to worry more about those patches being on time & actually doing what they were designed for.

 

[ChuckLIII]

I did the Oreo update, have not done an FDR, and it is working perfectly. I have no problems with it. Verizon Note8

 

[tadpoles]

I did the Oreo update, have not done an FDR, and it is working perfectly. I have no problems with it. Verizon Note8

I have an AT&T Note 8 and an unlocked Note 8. Noh ses to be behaving he exact same as before the update. Battery seems the same too, but that's just my subjective outlook (I've not done GSAM compares and what-have-you). Everything seems to be working just peachy. M'Phones are fast. I do disable a bunch of stuff and Tapatalk Pro is the closest thing to social networking app that I have (I've heard that some of those can be heavy) and hardly any games. It could just be that my phones are relatively lightly loaded but I'm very happy with Oreo.

 

[sunking101]

iOS is imperfect

iOS since has been pretty messed up. 11.4 (I'm running beta builds) is significantly better but back then, it was atrocious in terms of stability.

Software is hard, especially when you have to release a major update every year, which I think is nowhere near long enough for a stable release given the increasing amounts of complexity.

Exactly. They just about get an o/s working as it should then scrap it and start again with a newer buggy version. Apple are actually worse for this IME, newer versions of iOS are dreadfully buggy. With Android the updates typically affect battery life and speed but newer phones are too much of a powerhouse for speed to be impacted. Sadly for every poster saying that Oreo has worsened their battery life there is another who says theirs improved. Who is right?