This thing is amazing!

[RkyMtnHigh]

I just bought one and it's charging right now. I got the 16GB gray one. My Evo is loaded with stuff and I still have 6GB free on it. Hell, my laptop only has 4GB on it. Anyway, I think I'm going to like it. A LOT.

I'm not real keen on TW, so I'm not going to download it. Google will put out fixes also, and I'm sure we'll be able to get patches from various sites on the Internets. I'm so glad it came naked without TW already loaded. That's what got me to buy it in the first place. I like the little Flyer too, but it has Sense on it which eats up a lot of room...

 

[Stang68]

If they did it the right way, yes. But it's a part of the OTA - meaning if you want any bug fixes you have to install it. Meaning if, per se Google were to release Honeycomb 3.2, that the 3.2 update for the Galaxy Tab would force Touchwiz. Sure you'll get market updates, but security updates are what really matters which is what you turn down if you decline the new UI. That's the problem, I don't agree with forcing people to do something.

You want the cool features of Android 3.2? Either install Touchwiz or refuse the update and get locked out of any apps developed for it.

You have no idea if this is the way it is going to work. The TouchWiz update could be a TOTALLY separate install. No one knows except the top people in charge.

I was at the Android Central reader meetup in New York and I asked every Samsung rep about this and they either said it'll allow you to keep getting updates from Google without TouchWiz or that they didn't know. I'm gonna guess they really didn't know yet.

 

[TuxDotKing]

:-!

I made one comment talking about my dislike for Touchwiz and got 4 replies inquiring about it so I responded, I'm not just sitting here spewing hate posts.

Firstly no, there are a ton of people buying this device that have no idea Touchwiz is coming. Sure I did, and I imagine most of the people here did too. But the mass populous doesn't; you think the people buying these as gifts even have a clue what an OTA is let alone Touchwiz? Just because a couple of guys on a forum are aware of it doesn't mean we make up 90% of the people buying this thing. Which, that being said, makes it even more like the OtherOS situation.

And secondly, I was obviously aware of it and bought it anyway which shows how enormous of a deal it is to me (read: not much). It just bothers me how they went about it. Again, I didn't reply to the people in this thread to reiterate how much I hate it, I was merely correcting them regarding something they might not have known. It just bugs me knowing there's an unnecessary, mandatory, incoming performance hit nobody asked for. I had Sense in my last phone and big surprise half the embedded apps it forced into the experience were broken, I just got a Charge running Touchwiz which also has it's problems... needless to say I'm not a fan of custom UI's. Part of the reason I don't like being forced into this situation is because I don't root, or rather can't root for security reasons (nor do I encourage anyone who holds their data valuable to do so).

So like I said, Samsung either wants us to accept Touchwiz or live with the security flaws of the stock OS. That's just not cool to me, especially when all they had to do was stick these add-ons in a downloadable marketplace package - which would have been best for everyone.

I'm sorry up front if my reply came off a little gruff, I don't think you're just spewing hate posts or anything like that. It just struck me as a bit odd that you found it so objectionable; again, I really don't like custom UIs either, but I tend to brush them off now because it seems like the manufacturers are going to do it whether we like it or not. As long as I have a way around, I'm happy; though I realize I don't speak for everyone.

As for rooting as a security risk, can you elaborate on that? It seems to me that most of the data on an Android phone can be put at risk without root with a user who doesn't pay attention to the permissions an app asks for; not to mention that most malware writers that use root don't bother to target specifically rooted phones, check for and bypass Superuser.apk (the Android equivalent of gksudo/kdesu, or maybe UAE on Windows), and gain root access that way; rather, they target unrooted phones with a rooting exploit and gain root access that way. You might even be less secure considering that if a rooting trojan gets you, and you don't have Superuser.apk, there's nothing to stop it from wreaking havoc without confirmation.

 

[TerryMasters]

It's ok, but the reason I don't root is because Android stores user passwords in plaintext; using certain security methods to prevent access to said plaintext. That's not an uncommon practice, but rooting opens this up making them vulnerable. A quick Google search should come up with the articles about it, I believe it was one of the Android devs themselves that confirmed it.

 

[TuxDotKing]

It's ok, but the reason I don't root is because Android stores user passwords in plaintext; using certain security methods to prevent access to said plaintext. That's not an uncommon practice, but rooting opens this up making them vulnerable. A quick Google search should come up with the articles about it, I believe it was one of the Android devs themselves that confirmed it.

Huh, I didn't know that, I'll go look up more on that. It certainly is a valid thing to be concerned about...