Thought this was funny and interesting.

[badbrad17]

I seem to recall Samsung making a big deal out of their shortcuts on the notification shade, so...

So? Those things existed prior to their implementation on android. No one is arguing they're new, they're saying that they're new to apple and iOS.

Who cares about widgets? I mean, seriously. Android is the only os that has them, and android oems themselves have data to support that most people don't use them.

Again, this has nothing to do with them being new. It has to do with it being improved in iOS compared to previous versions, and being 'smart' in how apps update data in the background.

I'm not sure what point you think you're trying to make. Apple has tons of camera apps too. Those apps still don't change the fact that stock androids camera app sucks.

Again, doesn't really prove any point. Apple also has a ton of apps that can access your photo gallery. What apple does have now, which stock android doesn't, is more intelligent organization of photos in a way that makes them more relevant for users. (Similar to sense)

Airdrop is a lot less awkward than beam or s beam since the handsets don't need to touch. Otherwise, they're all pretty much the same.

So does safari. That, and safari is just a better, more stable browser.

Actually, apple has an ace up its sleeve with this one: song selection. Google music still doesn't have access to as many tracks as ITunes does. Their implementations a very different anyways. (And personally, I've found google music to be a **** poor replacement for pandora)

Now can't adjust settings on the device like either Siri or S-voice. Tons of people use Bing, and its data is comparable to google in the ways most people use search. Those voice actions alone will make it better than Now.

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I care about widgets. I use tons of them to customize my phone. I use UCCW and Zooper widget all the time, plus my toggle widget, calendar widget and Calculator widget. These are staple items that I rely on. Just because you don;t use them doesn't mean tons of people don't.

And to be clear. I have stated earlier that I think all of these updates to iOS are excellent. They are important to Apple users. I was just saying that none of the features are anything revolutionary. We can hit balls back and forth all day about whether Safari is better than Chrome or which camera app is better, but at the end of the day each platform provides solutions that are good in their respective areas. Android just gives us more options overall. Also remember that JellyBean was released a long time ago (July 2012). It is older than iOS6 (Sept 12th 2012). So now that this new iOS7 is released it was supposed to be this big step ahead for Apple, but even if you wrap iOS6 and 7 together it's still not to the level that JellyBean is.

And, the big game changer will be to see what Google does with Key Lime Pie. Google is preparing a lot of new things. If they play their cards right they could make what Apple is doing look average at best. Any of the features that Apple has added could be added to Key Lime Pie in no time. Heck developers could create widgets that can do most of them look identical. Google can move much faster. Adding Android features to iOS is not so easy.

 

[JHBThree]

You really are pushing the idea that a feature is unimportant because only one OS has them. And you haven't done anything to show that that argument has logic.

Manufacturers have data that supports the claim. Since Android, we also have two new clean sheet OSes that were introduced (plus a smaller one in Firefox OS) and guess what, no widgets.

You don't need to touch phones to use NFC.

You do have to be what, within an inch? With airdrop and other technologies like it that really on wifi you can do it from across a room. Beam has always been a joke, and airdrop and its Samsung equivalent only reinforce that.

What? As I type this I'm on Google Now settings. And be honest, Bing is a joke compared to Google. You know that "Bing it on" thing MS has? I don't know about you, but I tried that, and my final result was 4 wins for Google, 1 tie, and no wins for Bing.

It's really not. For 99% of consumers, there won't be a difference. (You and I are in the 1% that will)

 

[JHBThree]

I care about widgets. I use tons of them to customize my phone. I use UCCW and Zooper widget all the time, plus my toggle widget, calendar widget and Calculator widget. These are staple items that I rely on. Just because you don;t use them doesn't mean tons of people don't.

So we've proven that iOS isn't for you, something we already knew. I'll say it again; manufacturers have actually researched this, and the average consumer doesn't use widgets.

And to be clear. I have stated earlier that I think all of these updates to iOS are excellent. They are important to Apple users. I was just saying that none of the features are anything revolutionary. We can hit balls back and forth all day about whether Safari is better than Chrome or which camera app is better, but at the end of the day each platform provides solutions that are good in their respective areas. Android just gives us more options overall. Also remember that JellyBean was released a long time ago (July 2012). It is older than iOS6 (Sept 12th 2012). So now that this new iOS7 is released it was supposed to be this big step ahead for Apple, but even if you wrap iOS6 and 7 together it's still not to the level that JellyBean is.

Debatable. If you go by pure numbers on a feature list, which doesn't mean anything, then yes. But if you go by execution of those features, then iOS and Android are on a level playing field.

And, the big game changer will be to see what Google does with Key Lime Pie. Google is preparing a lot of new things. If they play their cards right they could make what Apple is doing look average at best. Any of the features that Apple has added could be added to Key Lime Pie in no time. Heck developers could create widgets that can do most of them look identical. Google can move much faster. Adding Android features to iOS is not so easy.

Google, frankly, doesn't know how to innovate any more either. They're stuck in the same rut as apple, because they don't want to alienate users or their OEMs. (Why do you think 4.3 hasn't been released yet?) All you should expect on 5.0 is another visual overhaul, one that falls more in line with some of the apps update on 4.2. (Here's a hint: expect bright colors and trendy fonts, just like iOS) Sure, they'll update some features, but it won't be anything mind blowing.

 

[JHBThree]

Not to mention that iOS is still lacking some Android features, like widgets, multi-user, default app selection, wide range of phones and specs, home screen and lock screen replacements, free app placement on the home screen, hiding apps from the home screen, and so much more.

None of those things actually make apple lacking. What you described is you preferring android, not any actual downside to apple.

 

[Aquila]

None of those things actually make apple lacking. What you described is you preferring android, not any actual downside to apple.

Preferring Android because they have features and options that the competition lacks. Not, "I iOS sucks because it's a different feature set."

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[JHBThree]

Preferring Android because they have features and options that the competition lacks. Not, "I iOS sucks because it's a different feature set."

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He was trying to imply that because iOS was not a carbon copy of android it was somehow lacking. That is not the correct way to view it. P

 

[Aquila]

He was trying to imply that because iOS was not a carbon copy of android it was somehow lacking. That is not the correct way to view it. P

Same issue with the "2 years behind" concept. It's saying, that if you want to see all the features from Android in iOS, wait 2 years. Not that iOS sucks because it doesn't have them. People that want those features know which to choose, people that want the more polished versions that Apple spent 1-2 years to put out know which to choose.

 

[Aquila]

Why are there 29 Apple threads today? I get why people want to compare, but why not 1 thread?

 

[return_0]

He was trying to imply that because iOS was not a carbon copy of android it was somehow lacking. That is not the correct way to view it. P

I wasn't implying anything of the sort. I was just listing Android features iOS lacks.

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[return_0]

None of those things actually make apple lacking. What you described is you preferring android, not any actual downside to apple.

Your argument seems to be something along the lines of "some people don't use these features, therefore an OS lacking said features is as good as an OS with them.

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[JHBThree]

Your argument seems to be something along the lines of "some people don't use these features, therefore an OS lacking said features is as good as an OS with them.

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No, my argument is that some people are trying to say that the fact that iOS isn't android somehow means that iOS lags behind android. That is not a valid point

 

[return_0]

Manufacturers have data that supports the claim. Since Android, we also have two new clean sheet OSes that were introduced (plus a smaller one in Firefox OS) and guess what, no widgets.

Live tiles, in essence, are widgets. They are just named differently.

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[return_0]

Google, frankly, doesn't know how to innovate any more either. They're stuck in the same rut as apple

Google Now. That was innovation.

All you should expect on 5.0 is another visual overhaul, one that falls more in line with some of the apps update on 4.2. (Here's a hint: expect bright colors and trendy fonts, just like iOS) Sure, they'll update some features, but it won't be anything mind blowing.

Expect to be surprised.

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[JHBThree]

Live tiles, in essence, are widgets. They are just named differently.

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They're really not.

 

[JHBThree]

Google Now. That was innovation.

It was. However, one innovation out of the last two years just proves my point.

Expect to be surprised.

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Expect to be underwhelmed. Google doesn't know where to go next, and jelly bean, in all its iterations, proves it.

 

[Aquila]

 

[The Real X Dawg]

No, my argument is that some people are trying to say that the fact that iOS isn't android somehow means that iOS lags behind android. That is not a valid point

It's easy to feel something is lagging behind when you're coming from a platform that gives you far more options or control of your device. The majority of people aren't going to care and will love the updates but those people will be satisfied as long as the device doesn't get in their way. Pretty much only invalid depending on who you're asking.

 

[The Real X Dawg]

They're really not.

They may not be widgets like Android's widgets but the Live Tiles are closer to a widget than regular app shortcuts.

 

[anon5664829]

They may not be widgets like Android's widgets but the Live Tiles are closer to a widget than regular app shortcuts.

The app icons are more alive in iOS 7 now,apple has also released an API that will allow developers yo make there own live icons

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[badbrad17]

No, my argument is that some people are trying to say that the fact that iOS isn't android somehow means that iOS lags behind android. That is not a valid point

If I have the fixins to make a sandwich in my fridge and you don't then I call that lacking. Unless you like butter sandwiches.

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