U11 & Nexus 6P Camera Comparison

[woainexus]

Again, why the double standard. If the camera performance is the topic of interest, then why not post the same on the Pixel, G6, and S8 forums? By default the 6p has a better camera than all of them, so if future buyers were to purchase either of those models with the camera being the top of their criteria, then they'd best avoid them and get the best camera on the market in the Nexus 6p. Otherwise, this reeks of hypocrisy and agenda. However I do see your point, but it seems you may be more underwhelmed than anything, but I personally think you're jumping the gun and not looking at things in an unbiased manner.

How is there a double standard?

My target audience is very specific: people who currently own Nexus 6Ps, care about the camera and are considering buying the U11. So it's irrelevant to other phone-specific forums such as Pixel, G6 and S8 as you have mentioned.

It may be your opinion that the 6P has better camera than all of them, just as it's my opinion that the 6P has better camera than the U11, but I have not owned a Pixel, G6 or S8 so I can't comment.

Not looking at things in an unbiased manner? Please do explain just how am I biased?

If you are going to attack me, at least try to make sense...

 

[MDMcAtee]

You know nothing about me yet when I present something not to your liking you immediately attack me personally. Because it's IMPOSSIBLE that U11, the phone you chose to buy, just isn't as good as you may think it is, right?

I get that this is the U11 forum so naturally this post will not be well-received but most people who remain here are fans of this phone and no one wants other people to tell them they made the wrong choice, whether it's true or not. Interestingly, on Reddit, I posted this in /r/nexus6p, /r/htcu11 and /r/android. Not surprisingly, it received the most hostile responses in /r/htcu11 and most favorable responses in /r/nexus6p. However, it also received overwhelmingly positive responses in /r/android too. Yes, feel free to attack this by claiming "Oh, /r/android is just a Nexus/Pixel circlejerk anyway!" Tell yourself whatever you need so you can justify your purchase.

I am posting this anywhere I find relevant because I want as many people as possible to learn from my experience so they can avoid disappointment and hassle.

First I am entitled to my opinion.

Second both sets of pictures you took look bad to me. This is how I came to my conclusion.

Third people do exactly what I said they do. They always will. If this offends you I am sorry but it's the truth.

Fourth I have taken bad pictures with both cameras and yes I still own my 6p. I am not disputing that the 6p can't take good pictures, but for you to say that the u11 doesn't have a great camera and try to warn people away from buying it is wrong.. Did it ever occur to you that your u11 may have a faulty camera module in it or that you may not be using it right? Taking great pictures isn't easy all of the time One set of pictures doesn't prove anything to anyone.

Look I enjoyed my 6p, still do, but the u11 is a better performing phone. You may not feel the same way about it, but your entitled to believe this if that is what you want to do, but in doing so don't get upset with people when they question you about it.

Mac

 

[sydneycooper1979]

Mod Note: Please stop with the petty arguing and stick to the topic. Thank you.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Okay peeps.

I'll have to remind you folks on this.

Everyone has the right to an opinion. Whether it's good or silly, it's theirs. You are free to agree or disagree (wonderful world we live in, eh?), but let's not respond to each other with hostile responses.

Having general disagreements but acknowledging the opinions of others is fine. In fact, I do that a lot of the time and even though I tend to stick to my opinion, I have always respected the PoV of others, so I just tend to leave it there. However, petty insults and accusing people of not knowing how to operate a product just won't go anywhere.

In short, disagree with the OP if you feel that's the case, but please do not jump to such insults, and that goes for both sides in the argument.

It's longer than our usual mod notes, so I hope it can help get this thread back on track.

Peace.

PS: HDR+ is dope

 

[Habiib]

How is there a double standard?

My target audience is very specific: people who currently own Nexus 6Ps, care about the camera and are considering buying the U11. So it's irrelevant to other phone-specific forums such as Pixel, G6 and S8 as you have mentioned.

It may be your opinion that the 6P has better camera than all of them, just as it's my opinion that the 6P has better camera than the U11, but I have not owned a Pixel, G6 or S8 so I can't comment.

Not looking at things in an unbiased manner? Please do explain just how am I biased?

If you are going to attack me, at least try to make sense...

Dude no one is attacking you (which is not a productive way to have a discussion).

You are not being unbiased based upon the following statement

I am EXTREMELY disappointed by U11's camera. I don't know how some reviewers were able to claim that the U11's camera is as good or better than the Pixel's when it can't even beat the 6P's.

You stated that you are disappointed. Then you say you don't know how some reviewers were able to make that claim, though they've listed their criteria based on each type of photo they compared. Their comparisons covered a broad range of shooting conditions and environments. They went into granular details about each aspect they were comparing.

Right off the bat, that makes your experience an anomaly, yet you are treating it as gospel (in how you are asserting as a definitive that the 6p has the better camera), as opposed to applying deductive reasoning and recognizing that your experience is the polar opposite from the norm. You even claimed ignorance, regarding how you managed to get such dismal results with the U11, relatively speaking.

So to conclude, you've not gone through the same lengths and testing process as other reviewers, you've admitted ignorance regarding your results, you've not even entertained the idea that your results are outside the norm, though others' conclusion contradicts yours, and your past comments on other threads in the same vein as this one, reflect a great deal of pessimism and closed-minded thinking

As for my opinion about the 6P having the best camera, the U11 (A) has a better camera than the S8 (B), Pixel (C), and G6 (D). If the 6P has a better camera than the U11, per your confession, then by default that would make the 6P greater than the phones below the U11.

 

[N4Newbie]

Check out this cool site Photo Compare Tool - GSMArena.com to compare test images taken with the U11 to the 6P. Move the green box around in the large image on the left to see close-ups from each of the cameras on the right.

 

[LeoRex]

Just going to throw in my two cents here. The 6P has a stellar camera... It's weaknesses are related to a somewhat sparse camera app and that it doesn't have the zero shutter lag HDR+ that the pixel has (CameraNX will give you that). My 6P took better pictures, more true to life, noise and processing artifact free shots than the S7, G6, S8, any phone I've been able to get my hands on.. HDR+ is a bit of magic. Looking at that gsmarena comparison tool, I think they took them without it enabled... They just don't look like HDR+ pics at all.

That being said, the 6P does need a little bit more effort to get that great shot due to the camera app limitations. Samsung and LG's app are both far more capable. But in terms of raw quality, it can hold it's own against any phone on the market and in low light, the only thing that can compete is the Pixel.

Not having a U11 to test, I can't tell give you an informed opinion, but HDR+, again, has a huge technological advantage over any other processing in any other phone. But when you add in the complimentary features, something like the U11 would end up scoring higher in testing.

 

[isdaako]

As a prior owner of the 6P, the camera is far removed from the HTC 11. In every way the 11 out performs it.

BTW, what happened to the comparison photos?

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I would probably say that the U11 is the better overall shooter, mainly due to its extra controls and great video recording output.

HDR+ is throughly excellent and I have no doubts that it's one big driving force that makes the 6P shoot great photos still, but as a package, the U11 wins still.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

And yet he went back to the 6p forum and posted the same thing there.

Personally I believe that he just doesn't know how to use either camera very well. I have taken bad pictures with both of them and I would never try to blame either for my errors..

Some folks just have to bash the phone just to justify returning it... and then we have those who just love to bash the phone for no reason... Go figure..

Mac

One of the things that makes Samsung cameras the best are that they effortlessly takes great shots. Like reviewers have said, it's hard to take a bad shot with a Samsung.

 

[Habiib]

One of the things that makes Samsung cameras the best are that they effortlessly takes great shots. Like reviewers have said, it's hard to take a bad shot with a Samsung.

Unless you're referring to having the best ease of use, how can something (S8) be the best if it doesn't produce the best results overall? Also how do they quantify a "bad" shot? Is it based on exposure, DR via post processing, color saturation, sharpness, contrast, etc. If only they'd say why.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Unless you're referring to having the best ease of use, how can something (S8) be the best if it doesn't produce the best results overall? Also how do they quantify a "bad" shot? Is it based on exposure, DR via post processing, color saturation, sharpness, contrast, etc. If only they'd say why.

This one looks good, though.

It's not shot on a U11 or S8

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Unless you're referring to having the best ease of use, how can something (S8) be the best if it doesn't produce the best results overall? Also how do they quantify a "bad" shot? Is it based on exposure, DR via post processing, color saturation, sharpness, contrast, etc. If only they'd say why.

They mean that Samsung cameras take excellent pictures in pretty much any reasonable conditions you throw at it. Action, low light, whatever -- Samsung cameras do an excellent job at seeming to know what you're trying to accomplish in an image just using auto mode.

 

[Fred98TJ]

One of the things that makes Samsung cameras the best are that they effortlessly takes great shots. Like reviewers have said, it's hard to take a bad shot with a Samsung.

So what's a "great" shot ?
I would argue that it has nothing to do with color, sharpness, etc. A "good" camera does not = good photos. If someone can't photograph, a better camera and/or better lenses won't help.
IMO it's totally crazy to say that camera xxx always takes great photos.
As the late, great Ansel Adams said "There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept".

 

[Habiib]

They mean that Samsung cameras take excellent pictures in pretty much any reasonable conditions you throw at it. Action, low light, whatever -- Samsung cameras do an excellent job at seeming to know what you're trying to accomplish in an image just using auto mode.

Samsung cameras take excellent pictures in pretty much any reasonable conditions you throw at it.

Has the scope of reasonable conditions ever been identified? For example, what or who dictates whether or not something is reasonable?

Samsung cameras do an excellent job at seeming to know what you're trying to accomplish in an image just using auto mode.

Do you see the blaring error with that statement? A camera's software can sometimes "know" or make a best guess at what you're trying to accomplish with regards to the subject that should be in focus (via auto-focus). As far as over-saturating, over-sharpening, inaccurate white balance, noise reduction level, DR bias, amount of clarity and contrast etc, that are applied in post aren't things said camera can seemingly know a persons vision as to which outcome suits their taste varies too much.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

So what's a "great" shot ?
I would argue that it has nothing to do with color, sharpness, etc. A "good" camera does not = good photos. If someone can't photograph, a better camera and/or better lenses won't help.
IMO it's totally crazy to say that camera xxx always takes great photos.
As the late, great Ansel Adams said "There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept".

That's fair, but people use smartphone cameras for documenting their lives, not art. They want a phone that can take great pictures quickly in whatever lighting is there at the time.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Has the scope of reasonable conditions ever been identified? For example, what or who dictates whether or not something is reasonable?



Do you see the blaring error with that statement? A camera's software can sometimes "know" or make a best guess at what you're trying to accomplish with regards to the subject that should be in focus (via auto-focus). As far as over-saturating, over-sharpening, inaccurate white balance, noise reduction level, DR bias, amount of clarity and contrast etc, that are applied in post aren't things said camera can seemingly know a persons vision as to which outcome suits their taste varies too much.

Your post is silly. You're trying way too hard to attack what I'm saying.

 

[MDMcAtee]

Your post is silly. You're trying way too hard to attack what I'm saying.

Actually he's not. He's showing you what's wrong with your post. Auto mode has no clue as to what you want, it simply gives what it is programmed to do.



Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Actually he's not. He's showing you what's wrong with your post. Auto mode has no clue as to what you want, it simply gives what it is programmed to do.



Mac

Why do you think my a6000 is almost always in Manual mode?

A computer is only as smart as it is programmed to do.

 

[Habiib]

Why do you think my a6000 is almost always in Manual mode?

A computer is only as smart as it is programmed to do.

You know you love P mode