Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexus S

[Skunkape60]

I used to root my HTC Hero. Then, our company fell under the auspices of HIPAA.

There are those of us who aren't able to root, regardless of our feelings on the matter.

And therein lies my frustration with the lack of communication from Google and Sprint. I dare say that frustration is well-founded.

Like I also said, If the phone is provided by the company and is not yours, I understand you can't root it. But I also feel, if the phone is not yours, then you don't even have a dog in the fight. The company who owns the phone most likely, could give a rats behind If you are on gingerbread or ICS.

If your company provided you with a high end phone and the service, you should consider yourself lucky.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Xparent Red Tapatalk

 

[Skunkape60]

Dude. Relax. No need to get so emotional.

It was your own explanation of going back and forth between roms, that gives the impression this is a hobby for you, that likely eats up some time. Also, you need to remember that it took some time, trial, and error to get yourself to the point where you could proclaim how easy it is.

And to those that question why anyone would buy this phone and not root, you need to remember the vast majority of people that buy this phone keep it stock...and they certainly don't visit android forums. You (and even myself, because I'm on an android forum) are the minority. Folks were attracted because of a promise of being the first for official google updates, because of the pure android bloat free setup, because of the curved screen, the price, you name it.

It didn't take any time to be comfortable enough to be able to go from rom to rom. As soon as I flashed my very first ROM, I realized how simple it all was and how foolish I was for not trying it sooner. Don't doubt this as there are people on this forum that can vouch for what I'm saying. Until you do it, you can't understand how simple it is.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Xparent Red Tapatalk

 

[MacGuyInNC]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

Like I also said, If the phone is provided by the company and is not yours, I understand you can't root it. But I also feel, if the phone is not yours, then you don't even have a dog in the fight. The company who owns the phone most likely, could give a rats behind If you are on gingerbread or ICS.

If your company provided you with a high end phone and the service, you should consider yourself lucky.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Xparent Red Tapatalk

The phone is mine, but it's whether they'll allow it on our network, and whether they'll let me connect to our servers via the phone.

They do reimburse me on a monthly basis for my cell costs. Not 100%, but enough to make it well worth my while. I can just write the rest off.

 

[jeffrok]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

I understand why people root.. I am a geek-type myself, I work in IT, and tinker all the time with stuff..

However, I bought the Nexus S so that I wouldn't HAVE to tinker- I assumed that the Nexus S WOULD always get the latest Android ROMs from Google, FIRST.

It's great that people can suggest rooting (and I'm almost tempted to take the plunge), but your logic of "Who cares if Google doesn't have the ROM yet? Just root!" That's fine and dandy, but that's not the point. The point is that ICS has been "out" and being tested for the Nexus S since November. I've worked on product betas before with hundreds of people, and typically the beta takes no more than a month.

People are just wondering why the heck it's taking so long, and I understand where they're coming from. I don't lose sleep over it, but I understand..

If there's something that's not working correctly on the Nexus S 4G version of ICS, then exclude it til a later release, and when those bugs are worked out, THEN provide the update. It's not that complicated.

 

[Skunkape60]

I understand why people root.. I am a geek-type myself, I work in IT, and tinker all the time with stuff..

However, I bought the Nexus S so that I wouldn't HAVE to tinker- I assumed that the Nexus S WOULD always get the latest Android ROMs from Google, FIRST.

It's great that people can suggest rooting (and I'm almost tempted to take the plunge), but your logic of "Who cares if Google doesn't have the ROM yet? Just root!" That's fine and dandy, but that's not the point. The point is that ICS has been "out" and being tested for the Nexus S since November. I've worked on product betas before with hundreds of people, and typically the beta takes no more than a month.

People are just wondering why the heck it's taking so long, and I understand where they're coming from. I don't lose sleep over it, but I understand..

If there's something that's not working correctly on the Nexus S 4G version of ICS, then exclude it til a later release, and when those bugs are worked out, THEN provide the update. It's not that complicated.

Many of the nexus s gsm phones getting the OTA were having many issues. Many of the phones were getting so messed up they stopped the OTA in mid stream. To me that tells me they were having a higher than acceptable rate of defects. I can easily understand why the OTA hasn't been pushed to us yet.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Xparent Red Tapatalk

 

[crzycrkr]

I understand why people root.. I am a geek-type myself, I work in IT, and tinker all the time with stuff..

However, I bought the Nexus S so that I wouldn't HAVE to tinker- I assumed that the Nexus S WOULD always get the latest Android ROMs from Google, FIRST.

It's great that people can suggest rooting (and I'm almost tempted to take the plunge), but your logic of "Who cares if Google doesn't have the ROM yet? Just root!" That's fine and dandy, but that's not the point. The point is that ICS has been "out" and being tested for the Nexus S since November. I've worked on product betas before with hundreds of people, and typically the beta takes no more than a month.

People are just wondering why the heck it's taking so long, and I understand where they're coming from. I don't lose sleep over it, but I understand..

If there's something that's not working correctly on the Nexus S 4G version of ICS, then exclude it til a later release, and when those bugs are worked out, THEN provide the update. It's not that complicated.

And, again, exactly what phones have gotten ICS before the Nexus S?

 

[ragnarokx]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

That's the kind of bs that worries me and others. These developers that put together these roms for you and others to try are talented, but I'm just not convinced the phone will be as stable as it should be. Some people on here get to be like such giddy school girls when it comes to trying out a new rom, that I think they overlook some of the basic things that absolutely MUST work for those of us that rely on our phones for business.

I think this is an over-generalization of the nature of custom ROMs. There are two kinds: the feature-packed kind that comes with the understanding that you get a trade-off in stability for lots and lots of extra features/options, and then there are the minimalistic ROMs that are built simply to improve stock while remaining stable. Did you know that the popular ROM makers of CyanogenMod actually have fixes for bugs that are currently in stock ICS?

So if stability is the name of the game, a ROM like Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast is what you're looking for. It looks exactly like stock ICS, is faster and smoother, has bug fixes for things Google hasn't been able to fix yet, and also comes with a few features that should have come stock to begin with (Facebook contact sync, Reboot option in power menu, touch to focus camera, face unlock, etc). They don't call it Bugless Beast for nothin'

 

[jeffrok]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

And, again, exactly what phones have gotten ICS before the Nexus S?

Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe not, but doesn't the Galaxy Nexus have it? Isn't the RAZR getting it very soon (possibly before the Nexus S 4G?)? Isn't the XOOM tablet getting it very soon?

Even if they don't have the update right now, they at least have word from Motorola that the update is right around the corner.. Considering those aren't "Google devices", that's a lot better than Samsung/Sprint has said so far.

Just saying, if the Nexus S/4G is a "development" phone, shouldn't it have had the update months before any other phones? I don't see where my criticisms are invalid. Many people sacrificed dual-core processors, better cameras, better hardware, for having the Google standard phone. I know I did. It'd be nice if they gave the users of the Nexus S phones what they thought they were buying, is all I'm saying.

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

Get over it... Stop making new threads for the same old line.:what:

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Its unfortunate. No matter what Google, or phone providers do, people are going to complain. People complained almost endlessly about VZW, not releasing the Galaxy Nexus according to their personal time tables. There were all sorts of accusations about why. Claims that it was because VZW was trying to add on all of its bloat, they were preventing Wallet from being put on as a delay, and etc. The phone is released, then there is complaints that the phone was released too early and it wasn't ready, that its buggy and flawed.

It seems people especially in this area are some of the most unreasonable, unrealistic folks around. Like a child throwing a temper tantrum, they want what they want, and they want it right now!

 

[crzycrkr]

Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe not, but doesn't the Galaxy Nexus have it? Isn't the RAZR getting it very soon (possibly before the Nexus S 4G?)? Isn't the XOOM tablet getting it very soon?

The Galaxy Nexus has it. Nothing else does. Why exactly would Google release the ICS update to the NS before it releases the ICS phone? That would just be stupid.

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

Maybe I'm mistaken, maybe not, but doesn't the Galaxy Nexus have it? Isn't the RAZR getting it very soon (possibly before the Nexus S 4G?)? Isn't the XOOM tablet getting it very soon?

The Xoom is not a phone. What the RAZR will get will some screwed up, tinkered to death blurred out version of ICS. There also is no announced date for that upgrade. The Xoom 4G LTE has not received the update and there is no announcement for a release on it yet. The only version of the Xoom that is receiving the update so far is the wifi version.

So one persons lie at this point is another persons truth. The Nexus S did start receiving ICS prior to any other phone in its category receiving it. It was also receiving a newer version of ICS than what the GN currently has.

Even if they don't have the update right now, they at least have word from Motorola that the update is right around the corner.. Considering those aren't "Google devices", that's a lot better than Samsung/Sprint has said so far.

Right around the corner. Well proof is in the pudding. The 4G LTE upgrade for the Xoom was right around the corner at the time it was initially released. That upgrade was not rolled out until October of 2011. With Motorola don't believe it until it happens. Their track record for meeting rumored deadlines is not all that great. They have difficulty meeting their own announced deadlines. Again, look at the Xoom.

Just saying, if the Nexus S/4G is a "development" phone, shouldn't it have had the update months before any other phones? I don't see where my criticisms are invalid. Many people sacrificed dual-core processors, better cameras, better hardware, for having the Google standard phone. I know I did. It'd be nice if they gave the users of the Nexus S phones what they thought they were buying, is all I'm saying.

How exactly has that changed? What other 3G phones are coming with ICS standard right now? I'll give you the answer, none!

 

[Misterb]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

Good to know. Thanks. I'll try to keep an open mind

I use my phone to tether over 4g and also 3G when I can't get 4g. I pay the $30 monthly fee for this. If I tether with the bugless one, will I still be able to tether like this? Would it be the same but free now?

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

Good to know. Thanks. I'll try to keep an open mind

I use my phone to tether over 4g and also 3G when I can't get 4g. I pay the $30 monthly fee for this. If I tether with the bugless one, will I still be able to tether like this? Would it be the same but free now?

You are looking for a bugless phone?

 

[anon(560890)]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

I think some are confusing the Galaxy Nexus & the Nexus S. The Galaxy is shipped with ICS. It's not an upgrade.

 

[crzycrkr]

I think some are confusing the Galaxy Nexus & the Nexus S. The Galaxy is shipped with ICS. It's not an upgrade.

Who's confusing the two?

 

[Misterb]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

You are looking for a bugless phone?

He said the rom is called bugless

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

He said the rom is called bugless

Gotcha.

 

[ortam]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

How has the Bugless experience on ICS been? I've been really thinking about going to the 1-18 nightly, but have been clinging to my BB Gingerbread.

 

[jeffrok]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

Meh, I guess I'm just gonna have to take the plunge and root sometime soon. All these custom ROMs sound great.

 

[gabbott]

Re: Well, look at that: Google's false advertising about the Nexu

How has the Bugless experience on ICS been? I've been really thinking about going to the 1-18 nightly, but have been clinging to my BB Gingerbread.

Meh, I guess I'm just gonna have to take the plunge and root sometime soon. All these custom ROMs sound great.

Alfonso's ICS bugless beast runs beautifully on my phone (been running his since before Christmas) and I've forgotten that ICS isn't even out officially for the NS4G because this rom runs so well.

For those getting impatient with Google.... take a look at the release table for gingerbread on the original nexus to get pushed out to all. Here is an example:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/22/gingerbread-nexus-one/

(The Nexus S starting going on sale in mid december of 2010)