what is the realistic life of the non-removable battery? 1 year, 2 years, or less?

[badkitties]

what is the realistic life of the non-removable battery? 1 year, 2 years, or less?

I'm asking because I use my current phones outside a lot during the day. Current phone is a Galaxy Nexus which is know for short battery life. It goes down to empty every evening. For the last 10 months that I've owned it, I've charged the battery from empty to full almost every single day. That's 300+ full discharge/charge cycles so far. Battery longevity is not really an issue because I have a spare Samsung battery.. plus I can just buy another one at anytime.

Since the RAZR MAXX HD's battery is non-removable, I'm wondering how long it will last if charged/discharged on a daily basis. If it needs to be replaced after the warranty runs out, how much will Verizon or Motorola charge for a battery replacement? (like how Apple charges $$ for a battery replacement in my iPad)

Thanks!

 

[Eclipse2K]

You'll be fine but like me I would carry the TEC which will extend warranty through Verizon. Or just switch the phone out right before your warranty ends and get a fresh(er) battery.

Not sure on exact life cycle though.
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[badkitties]

You'll be fine but like me I would carry the TEC which will extend warranty through Verizon. Or just switch the phone out right before your warranty ends and get a fresh(er) battery.

Not sure on exact life cycle though.
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TEC will mean getting a CLNR replacement from Verizon... which is a gamble, based on my recent experience...

 

[Eclipse2K]

TEC will mean getting a CLNR replacement from Verizon... which is a gamble, based on my recent experience...

Tell me about it - I'm on my 9th Maxx as every replacement has been absolutely awful. This is the first phone that refurbished units have failed me tike after time before I can even insert my SIM card.

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[pblakk]

Tell me about it - I'm on my 9th Maxx as every replacement has been absolutely awful. This is the first phone that refurbished units have failed me tike after time before I can even insert my SIM card.

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That bad?? What's been so horrible? bad screen or something? creaky build?

 

[badkitties]

That bad?? What's been so horrible? bad screen or something? creaky build?

I don't know about the RAZR MAXX, but I had pretty terrible experience with Verizon CLNR Galaxy Nexus.
It was replaced 4 times before I got one that was "acceptable" to me. The bad CLNR Galaxy Nexus phones
had (1) deep scratches on the screen, (2) broken volume button, (3) water-damaged battery(sticker turned
pink from water), (4) loose mini-USB port where the USB cable kept falling out. The 5th one had 7 minor
scratches on the screen, but I got too tired of all the exchanges and just accepted it. (but Verizon said I could
exchange again if I wanted)

 

[Eclipse2K]

That bad?? What's been so horrible? bad screen or something? creaky build?

I posted this in another thread;

I'm obviously being polite when I made the title but this is unacceptable. I've had several Maxx replacements and all of them have had their own issues either from the start or shortly after. My first replacement arrived due to my phone rebooting itself all of the time and overheating. Okay, no big deal and there were no rogue applications running. But here is where the fun comes in.

1.) Arrived in excellent condition but the ear piece speaker was blown and created static.
2.) The top left corner was pulling away from the device.
3.) The SIM Card door didn't close fully and wasn't flush. One side wasn't securing.
4.) The SIM Card door was loose, but that's not that bad as it closed. But the speaker was again blown.
5.) This device worked for a while, but began to vibrate by itself when in my pocket, on a table, or in a belt pouch. You name it. No damage to device, attempted factory restore, all failed.
6.) Received this week, seemed fine. A small chip in the chrome which I find unacceptable but I would be willing to deal with it if the phone was good. Big black splotch, dim, but splotch. And yes, I'm aware of the AMOLED screens flaws, but this happens at 100% brightness on a white screen.
7.) Phone comes in, scratch on the chrome again. Fine, but what the heck!? About to leave to go get dinner so I throw it on my dock. But wait, it won't dock! The ports are misaligned! I can plug it in without the dock, but when both require being lined up, it won't work. Well, unless you wiggle it upon inserting it into the dock. This will allow it to dock a few times than fail.
8.) On it's way...

Verizon offered me another Certified Like New Replacement such as the Nexus, but I declined. I need this battery and signal strength and not the weak battery of the Nexus. I've been told that Verizon does not offer new devices as replacements, but I'm about to make that demand shortly. Come on already! I've never had this much bad luck with a phone since the Storm. But the Storm was a terrible device from the box... Who refurbishes this crap!?

I returned phone #8 and kept phone #6 for now because phone #8 had a very bad build quality. Every single plastic panel moves and pushed in. It even pulled away due to broken clips and some panels were not flush. I kept #6 and dealt with the splotch but now I'm awaiting at least one phone to arrive at Verizon so I can get another device sent. I had to reboot my current device 3 times during a 30 minute period because the following things happened:

1.) I could no longer hear him but he could hear me.
2.) Vibrate function and all sound did not work whether on speaker phone or phone ear speaker.
3.) Screen disabled auto brightness and disabled the auto sensor that shuts off screen when held to your face
4.) Enabled emergency mode several times as this happened. Enabled call back mode and had the RED CROSS in the notification bar. I had to reboot device.

Seriously, this is unbelievable. Does quality control even exist? Scratches all over the panels, blown speakers, scratched screens, creaks all over and clips broken, splotched up screens on white backgrounds and not a normal AMOLED flaw, broken charging/HDMI ports, etc. You name it!

 

[IceDree]

Im not sure about the newer phones, but I think they could last more than that,

My father used to have an iPhone 3G (he bought it the month it came out) & used it for almost 3 years , he charged it almost everyday (heavy user)

We never had to change the battery & until we sold it, we never had any issues with the battery

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[Eclipse2K]

Im not sure about the newer phones, but I think they could last more than that,

My father used to have an iPhone 3G (he bought it the month it came out) & used it for almost 3 years , he charged it almost everyday (heavy user)

We never had to change the battery & until we sold it, we never had any issues with the battery

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Speaking of iPhone, I'm considering switching to an iPhone 5 if nothing else but it's quality. I'm sure it has it's own problems but it can't be worse than my experience with Motorola. Normally Motorola is excellent and my real choice is the RAZR HD Maxx, but I'm wondering if since I'm paying retail if I'll experience these issues again. Does Verizon offer a 14 day return policy on full retail devices so I can try the Maxx HD and see if it works out for me? Android > iOS but I'm cautious right now.

 

[pblakk]

Speaking of iPhone, I'm considering switching to an iPhone 5 if nothing else but it's quality. I'm sure it has it's own problems but it can't be worse than my experience with Motorola. Normally Motorola is excellent and my real choice is the RAZR HD Maxx, but I'm wondering if since I'm paying retail if I'll experience these issues again. Does Verizon offer a 14 day return policy on full retail devices so I can try the Maxx HD and see if it works out for me? Android > iOS but I'm cautious right now.

If you consider, don't forget that apparently the iPhone 5 doesn't support simultaneous voice and data on Verizon's 4g. I believe most or all their current 4g phones do support this. Just in case....

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[Eclipse2K]

If you consider, don't forget that apparently the iPhone 5 doesn't support simultaneous voice and data on Verizon's 4g. I believe most or all their current 4g phones do support this. Just in case....

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It doesn't?

I am more than 99% likely to stick with android either way but that's good to know. I wouldn't accept that at all after being able to do it for so long.

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[dirkbonn]

what is the realistic life of the non-removable battery? 1 year, 2 years, or less?

I'm asking because I use my current phones outside a lot during the day. Current phone is a Galaxy Nexus which is know for short battery life. It goes down to empty every evening. For the last 10 months that I've owned it, I've charged the battery from empty to full almost every single day. That's 300+ full discharge/charge cycles so far. Battery longevity is not really an issue because I have a spare Samsung battery.. plus I can just buy another one at anytime.

Since the RAZR MAXX HD's battery is non-removable, I'm wondering how long it will last if charged/discharged on a daily basis. If it needs to be replaced after the warranty runs out, how much will Verizon or Motorola charge for a battery replacement? (like how Apple charges $$ for a battery replacement in my iPad)

Thanks!

I asked a question a couple days ago about what was the reasoning behind building a phone with a non-removable battery? Was it cost or some other reason?

A guy answered that part of the reason was a non-removable battery was smaller and as such they could make the phone smaller. He also said the Razr Maxx HD had a lithium-polymer battery which was somewhat soft and could therefore be formed into irregular shapes which also was an advantage when building large screen phones and the way all the electronic components are packed inside. At the same time making the phones overall size as small as possible. Now all the sites that are posting specs on the phone say it has a Lithium-ion battery. But I don't know where these sites are getting their specs from but I haven't seen anything official from Verizon or Motorola regarding the type of battery, (whether Lit-ion or Lit-poly) that the Razr Maxx HD will have. Because Lit-poly batteries are somewhat soft they don't lend themselves to being user replaceable.

The reason I prefaced the above to my answer to your question regarding battery longevity is because lithium-ion and lithium-polymer batteries ane not usually rated by time but by charging cycles. Litium-ion batteries are usually rated somewhere in the 500+ range when talking about battery longevity. They don't mention if these are full cycles, like 100% down to 5-10% and then charged back to 100%, or a partial charge cycle, like 100% down to 50% and charged back to 100%. So your guess is as good as mine. But.... when it comes to litium-polymer batteries, (which, btw, is newer technology when it comes to phone batteries) some manufacturers are rating these batteries up to 1000 charging cycles.

Maybe (Hopefully) someone here has more accurate information about what kind of battery the Maxx HD phone is going to be sold with and can help me out here. I hope so. Hopefully someone tell me whether or not I'm "all wet" with my answer about battery life as I'm always open to learn new information.


At this point, I'm just waiting for Thursday the 18th and the release of the Maxx HD.

 

[ChuckG73]

Speaking of iPhone, I'm considering switching to an iPhone 5 if nothing else but it's quality. I'm sure it has it's own problems but it can't be worse than my experience with Motorola. Normally Motorola is excellent and my real choice is the RAZR HD Maxx, but I'm wondering if since I'm paying retail if I'll experience these issues again. Does Verizon offer a 14 day return policy on full retail devices so I can try the Maxx HD and see if it works out for me? Android > iOS but I'm cautious right now.

Verizon's 14 day return policy covers full retail devices as well.

 

[Rizz1-2]

I asked a question a couple days ago about what was the reasoning behind building a phone with a non-removable battery? Was it cost or some other reason?

A guy answered that part of the reason was a non-removable battery was smaller and as such they could make the phone smaller. He also said the Razr Maxx HD had a lithium-polymer battery which was somewhat soft and could therefore be formed into irregular shapes which also was an advantage when building large screen phones and the way all the electronic components are packed inside. At the same time making the phones overall size as small as possible. Now all the sites that are posting specs on the phone say it has a Lithium-ion battery. But I don't know where these sites are getting their specs from but I haven't seen anything official from Verizon or Motorola regarding the type of battery, (whether Lit-ion or Lit-poly) that the Razr Maxx HD will have. Because Lit-poly batteries are somewhat soft they don't lend themselves to being user replaceable.

The reason I prefaced the above to my answer to your question regarding battery longevity is because lithium-ion and lithium-polymer batteries ane not usually rated by time but by charging cycles. Litium-ion batteries are usually rated somewhere in the 500+ range when talking about battery longevity. They don't mention if these are full cycles, like 100% down to 5-10% and then charged back to 100%, or a partial charge cycle, like 100% down to 50% and charged back to 100%. So your guess is as good as mine. But.... when it comes to litium-polymer batteries, (which, btw, is newer technology when it comes to phone batteries) some manufacturers are rating these batteries up to 1000 charging cycles.

Maybe (Hopefully) someone here has more accurate information about what kind of battery the Maxx HD phone is going to be sold with and can help me out here. I hope so. Hopefully someone tell me whether or not I'm "all wet" with my answer about battery life as I'm always open to learn new information.


At this point, I'm just waiting for Thursday the 18th and the release of the Maxx HD.

IIRC, one charging cycle is 0-100%. So if you charge your phone from 50%-100% that only counts as a one half of a cycle. Basically when they are talking about longevity they mean full cycles. Those half charges only count towards total longevity after a few partial cycles equal 100%. I will try to find a link for this sometime today when I get a break at work.

They advantage to having the big ole battery of the maxx is there will be less times where you actually run the battery down to zero, therefore less charging cycles. Which should hopefully equal better battery longevity.

Found a quick link, sadly its from Apple but its easy to understand - Apple - Batteries

 

[jneusch]

If you buy it at Best Buy you will get a 30 day return / exchange. If you get their black tie protection it will provide for a replacement for a bad battery. I think you get one per year. Since the device has a built in battery you should be able to get a new phone at a 0 deductible. They will also price match if their retail price is higher than Verizon.


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[hancered]

If you buy it at Best Buy you will get a 30 day return / exchange. If you get their black tie protection it will provide for a replacement for a bad battery. I think you get one per year. Since the device has a built in battery you should be able to get a new phone at a 0 deductible. They will also price match if their retail price is higher than Verizon.

Can Best Buy use the upgrade from one line and activate it on another line on the same account?

 

[anon(40376)]

Lithium Ion polymer batteries are noted as just lithium ion batteries. A lithium ion polymer battery is usually used where a particular shape is required and a standard lithium ion will not suffice. The razr uses a lithium ion polymer battery.
Can't answer the longevity question

 

[dirkbonn]

Lithium Ion polymer batteries are noted as just lithium ion batteries. A lithium ion polymer battery is usually used where a particular shape is required and a standard lithium ion will not suffice. The razr uses a lithium ion polymer battery.
Can't answer the longevity question

Here's some info on Lithium-ion polymer batteries.

Lithium polymer battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The above linked wikipedia website says upwards of 500 charging cycles before capacity drops to 80%.

 

[badkitties]

If you buy it at Best Buy you will get a 30 day return / exchange. If you get their black tie protection it will provide for a replacement for a bad battery. I think you get one per year. Since the device has a built in battery you should be able to get a new phone at a 0 deductible. They will also price match if their retail price is higher than Verizon.


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BestBuy Mobile employee told me a phone with non-removable battery will get a free battery replacement... well, not really, they will provide you with a refurbished phone. However, if they happen to have no refurbished units from the regional warehouse, then you will get lucky and receive a new phone.

 

[RicanMedic78]

Wait a minute. So if I buy a phone with a non removable battery, and keep it for up to 2 years, once the battery cycles out, I may not be able to just replace the battery??? Apple is different obviously... They support their devices for so many years that u can get help and a replacement battery no matter how old the device. But what happens on the android side???

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