With The Note 7 Recall... Does Apple Automatically Claim The 2016 Victory?

[Shadowyugi]

Hey, me too, bought a N7 after the Priv, Classic, Q10, Bold 9900, 9700, Pearl... Haha...

My best phone atm will still be the Passport though. It's a shame.

To think about a year or two ago, I was planning to begin a personal project of building a phone OS. The market is just remarkably difficult to break into or survive if you don't have the apps to back you.

 

[Shadowyugi]

I think so. Its very embarrassing that you have to recall products that are catching on fire that you keep close to your head. f that lol plus its expensive and a staple phone. pretty amateur stuff. iphone did have the bending problem with the iphone 6 but to catch on fire thats ridiculous and an endangerment to all customers.

Based on what i watched yesterday night (Apple's iPhone Launch event), I'd say the race is still open to either party. iPhone 7 looks new, seems new, runs new but just about does the same as it's previous iteration, albeit a few new whistles under the hood. Personally, that was the most boring conference I've seen in a while. I mean, I thought Samsung usually took that crown, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Shadowyugi]

Media is really covering the IPhone.
They didn't give as much attention to the Samsung

Isn't that how it always is? Let's not pretend Apple doesn't make the media run in circles, in a weird hysterical state.

 

[mantaka]

Apple battery burned years before... FOR F SAKE IT"S A COMMON PROBLEM and Sammy is fixing it!

 

[spawndoodling]

Apple has had a particularly rough year: the Galaxy S7 has outsold the iPhone 6s; iPhone revenues plateaued; Apple has struggled (correction: failed) to break into big developing markets; and the media has finally subjected Apple to the same criticism that dogs big U.S. companies. For example, I was so surprised to hear the press rake Apple over the coals for paying virtually $0 in U.S. taxes. This is not to say that other big tech companies like Alphabet/Google don't do the same, but rather that Apple has more or less been immune to criticism up to this point.

We've also seen lots of criticism directed at Apple's design, hardware, and software choices. Think of a time in the iPhone era where major tech publications were so eager to critique Apple! Tech publications mocked Apple for releasing the Pencil when Steve Jobs rolled his eyes at the Note stylus not so long ago. Not to mention that the $99 stylus sticks out of the iPad's Lightning port when charging and includes a removable cap that one can lose in a heartbeat. Then, there's a measly one USB-C port on the 12" Macbook. And this all happened before Apple needlessly decided to kill the headphone jack without making the iPhone 7/7+ much thinner than before.

All the while, Samsung - yes, Samsung - has championed smart, thoughtful, and sexy design choices that Apple cannot compete with. And critical masses have noticed and heralded Samsung for it.

Every single feature Apple announced yesterday has been adopted by Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, HTC, or another Android manufacturer. Some features have been on Android phones - and executed well - for years (see: front-facing stereo speakers; standard 32GB storage; dual camera lenses et al.).

So, yeah, certainly the recall is very unfortunate. However, that Samsung proactively took steps to issue recalls is a big deal. I can't recall a company with a product line this big - 2.5 million phones - that had the courage to issue a full recall and replace all phones free of charge.

In the end, I don't think Apple gets the "win" this year. They themselves know how behind they are. And the moment Google (and Samsung, the biggest Android OEM) solves Android's current bloatware and fragmentation crisis, Android will nearly be perfect - while Apple will still be playing catch-up.

 

[anon(5719825)]

Apple has had a particularly rough year: the Galaxy S7 has outsold the iPhone 6s; iPhone revenues plateaued; Apple has struggled (correction: failed) to break into big developing markets; and the media has finally subjected Apple to the same criticism that dogs big U.S. companies. For example, I was so surprised to hear the press rake Apple over the coals for paying virtually $0 in U.S. taxes. This is not to say that other big tech companies like Alphabet/Google don't do the same, but rather that Apple has more or less been immune to criticism up to this point.

The news broke on several websites yesterday that the iPhone 6S was the best selling phone in the second quarter of the year. Not sure where they get the figures from but here is one site with this claim among many others that carried this news yesterday. The S7 was third place.

The Apple iPhone 6s is the top selling smartphone in the world and in the U.S.

 

[donm527]

Yes, people here have kept mentioning the Galaxy outsold the iPhone 6... but didn't mention...

"Galaxy S7 smartphone outsold the iPhone 6S/6S Plus in a three-month period ending on May 2016"

So for a quarter of a year, Samsung Galaxys outsold the iPhone. It's still true... so not really worth expanding on a Samsung forum.

Samsung's Galaxy S7 Outsells Apple's iPhone 6S in the U.S. | Digital Trends

The news broke on several websites yesterday that the iPhone 6S was the best selling phone in the second quarter of the year. Not sure where they get the figures from but here is one site with this claim among many others that carried this news yesterday. The S7 was third place.

The Apple iPhone 6s is the top selling smartphone in the world and in the U.S.

 

[chyeo1979]

Yes, people here have kept mentioning the Galaxy outsold the iPhone 6... but didn't mention...

"Galaxy S7 smartphone outsold the iPhone 6S/6S Plus in a three-month period ending on May 2016"

So for a quarter of a year, Samsung Galaxys outsold the iPhone. It's still true... so not really worth expanding on a Samsung forum.

Samsung's Galaxy S7 Outsells Apple's iPhone 6S in the U.S. | Digital Trends

No point looking at sales of a certain quarter, since the phones are not launched at the same time. In terms of overall sales of a phone model, I dun think any Android flagship model can sell more than any iPhone flagship model.

 

[Preach2k]

Nope not brand new ones they are factory refurbished. I just had that talk at Verizon.

Sorry but you are wrong. I talked to Samsung and A Verizon Manager that told me we will be getting New phones Not Refurbished. Check the Samsung letter. It says New!

 

[cardboard60]

Apple has had a particularly rough year: the Galaxy S7 has outsold the iPhone 6s; iPhone revenues plateaued; Apple has struggled (correction: failed) to break into big developing markets; and the media has finally subjected Apple to the same criticism that dogs big U.S. companies. For example, I was so surprised to hear the press rake Apple over the coals for paying virtually $0 in U.S. taxes. This is not to say that other big tech companies like Alphabet/Google don't do the same, but rather that Apple has more or less been immune to criticism up to this point.

We've also seen lots of criticism directed at Apple's design, hardware, and software choices. Think of a time in the iPhone era where major tech publications were so eager to critique Apple! Tech publications mocked Apple for releasing the Pencil when Steve Jobs rolled his eyes at the Note stylus not so long ago. Not to mention that the $99 stylus sticks out of the iPad's Lightning port when charging and includes a removable cap that one can lose in a heartbeat. Then, there's a measly one USB-C port on the 12" Macbook. And this all happened before Apple needlessly decided to kill the headphone jack without making the iPhone 7/7+ much thinner than before.

All the while, Samsung - yes, Samsung - has championed smart, thoughtful, and sexy design choices that Apple cannot compete with. And critical masses have noticed and heralded Samsung for it.

Every single feature Apple announced yesterday has been adopted by Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, HTC, or another Android manufacturer. Some features have been on Android phones - and executed well - for years (see: front-facing stereo speakers; standard 32GB storage; dual camera lenses et al.).

So, yeah, certainly the recall is very unfortunate. However, that Samsung proactively took steps to issue recalls is a big deal. I can't recall a company with a product line this big - 2.5 million phones - that had the courage to issue a full recall and replace all phones free of charge.

In the end, I don't think Apple gets the "win" this year. They themselves know how behind they are. And the moment Google (and Samsung, the biggest Android OEM) solves Android's current bloatware and fragmentation crisis, Android will nearly be perfect - while Apple will still be playing catch-up.

Thank You !

 

[dlgus]

I think that Apple claims the victory overall by default every year. Sorry to say but its true. Thats not to say that their phone is the best these days.

Only if you believe the hype...

 

[ThrottleJohnny]

Actually I think Apple actually did Samsung a solid by stealing the headlines away from exploding phones. Most news outlets and Smartphone blogs are talking about the new iPhone, hopefully giving Sammy a chance to quietly replace phones.

 

[lions_lair99]

Apple has had a particularly rough year: the Galaxy S7 has outsold the iPhone 6s; iPhone revenues plateaued; Apple has struggled (correction: failed) to break into big developing markets; and the media has finally subjected Apple to the same criticism that dogs big U.S. companies. For example, I was so surprised to hear the press rake Apple over the coals for paying virtually $0 in U.S. taxes. This is not to say that other big tech companies like Alphabet/Google don't do the same, but rather that Apple has more or less been immune to criticism up to this point.

We've also seen lots of criticism directed at Apple's design, hardware, and software choices. Think of a time in the iPhone era where major tech publications were so eager to critique Apple! Tech publications mocked Apple for releasing the Pencil when Steve Jobs rolled his eyes at the Note stylus not so long ago. Not to mention that the $99 stylus sticks out of the iPad's Lightning port when charging and includes a removable cap that one can lose in a heartbeat. Then, there's a measly one USB-C port on the 12" Macbook. And this all happened before Apple needlessly decided to kill the headphone jack without making the iPhone 7/7+ much thinner than before.

All the while, Samsung - yes, Samsung - has championed smart, thoughtful, and sexy design choices that Apple cannot compete with. And critical masses have noticed and heralded Samsung for it.

Every single feature Apple announced yesterday has been adopted by Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, HTC, or another Android manufacturer. Some features have been on Android phones - and executed well - for years (see: front-facing stereo speakers; standard 32GB storage; dual camera lenses et al.).

So, yeah, certainly the recall is very unfortunate. However, that Samsung proactively took steps to issue recalls is a big deal. I can't recall a company with a product line this big - 2.5 million phones - that had the courage to issue a full recall and replace all phones free of charge.

In the end, I don't think Apple gets the "win" this year. They themselves know how behind they are. And the moment Google (and Samsung, the biggest Android OEM) solves Android's current bloatware and fragmentation crisis, Android will nearly be perfect - while Apple will still be playing catch-up.

I've posted all these things and more before. And let's not forget, the antenna issues that Apple had on the ,what the 3g model, and after some research. They knew about the antenna issues for the prior model, and sold the phone without correcting the issue. And apple certainty didn't do a total recall. Only a slight modification if the user wanted it done. They at one point, told users that they were holding the phone wrong, and to hold the phone different.

 

[climb]

Apple has had a particularly rough year: the Galaxy S7 has outsold the iPhone 6s; iPhone revenues plateaued; Apple has struggled (correction: failed) to break into big developing markets; and the media has finally subjected Apple to the same criticism that dogs big U.S. companies. For example, I was so surprised to hear the press rake Apple over the coals for paying virtually $0 in U.S. taxes. This is not to say that other big tech companies like Alphabet/Google don't do the same, but rather that Apple has more or less been immune to criticism up to this point.

We've also seen lots of criticism directed at Apple's design, hardware, and software choices. Think of a time in the iPhone era where major tech publications were so eager to critique Apple! Tech publications mocked Apple for releasing the Pencil when Steve Jobs rolled his eyes at the Note stylus not so long ago. Not to mention that the $99 stylus sticks out of the iPad's Lightning port when charging and includes a removable cap that one can lose in a heartbeat. Then, there's a measly one USB-C port on the 12" Macbook. And this all happened before Apple needlessly decided to kill the headphone jack without making the iPhone 7/7+ much thinner than before.

All the while, Samsung - yes, Samsung - has championed smart, thoughtful, and sexy design choices that Apple cannot compete with. And critical masses have noticed and heralded Samsung for it.

Every single feature Apple announced yesterday has been adopted by Samsung, Motorola, Huawei, HTC, or another Android manufacturer. Some features have been on Android phones - and executed well - for years (see: front-facing stereo speakers; standard 32GB storage; dual camera lenses et al.).

So, yeah, certainly the recall is very unfortunate. However, that Samsung proactively took steps to issue recalls is a big deal. I can't recall a company with a product line this big - 2.5 million phones - that had the courage to issue a full recall and replace all phones free of charge.

In the end, I don't think Apple gets the "win" this year. They themselves know how behind they are. And the moment Google (and Samsung, the biggest Android OEM) solves Android's current bloatware and fragmentation crisis, Android will nearly be perfect - while Apple will still be playing catch-up.

Objective, insightful, thoughtful, powerful observation - thanks

 

[chyeo1979]

Only if you believe the hype...

Claim the victory as in overall sales. Which phone is better, there will never be a consensus.

 

[PraetorianGuard14]

Why is this even a discussion?

 

[lions_lair99]

I read all 22 pages...whuuut.