12-13-2012 09:31 PM
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  1. adamfehres's Avatar
    as title really i had my nexus 7 for a few days now and its my first android device. i killed all the apps last night beofre bed and have opened device from sleep mode and about 7 apps had started facebook, vlc, astro file manager, hd widgets. are afew. is there any way to stop these from doing this as every time i run task killer about 5 mins later there open again. i have turned notification off in all apps as well.
    12-12-2012 01:38 AM
  2. smartiekins's Avatar
    Do you have them set to sync? Even with no notifications set they might still be syncing

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    12-12-2012 02:10 AM
  3. bigtroutz's Avatar
    Yes, you CAN use an automatic task killer. I am sure some yahoo is going to pipe in telling us all how Android is meant to have apps open whenever they feel like it and Android will open and close apps as needed to get the job done in an efficient manner. And using an auto-task manager is like cutting off your nose to spite your face, Horsepucky !!

    If you want to, go ahead and run one - like this https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...Fza2tpbGxlciJd

    Over 50 million people can't all be wrong for wanting this app.
    12-12-2012 02:10 AM
  4. GiantJay's Avatar
    Facebook never stops running on any of my devices, even with everything syncing and notifications off. I put this in my review in the Play Store.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    12-12-2012 02:12 AM
  5. bigtroutz's Avatar
    Facebook never stops running on any of my devices, even with everything syncing and notifications off. I put this in my review in the Play Store.
    LOL - it does on mine - cuz I won't install the damn thing. Facebook is like a double vampire - sucks your time and then exposes you like a bad outhouse door. Bad enough to run it from your browser.
    12-12-2012 02:18 AM
  6. adamfehres's Avatar
    cheers for the fast replies

    im using advanced task killer, i run it and 5 minutes later apps are open again mainly vlc/astro file manager

    not sure if sync is off how do you do this.

    i was looking at rooting to try to top this but would rather not if i can help it
    12-12-2012 02:19 AM
  7. bigtroutz's Avatar
    you will need to configure the sync settings individually in each app - the good apps ask how you want to handle sync.

    You should also configure advanced task killer to have it smash the worst offenders auto and fast. The settings are in there if I recall, it asks how you want to handle each app.
    12-12-2012 02:33 AM
  8. adamfehres's Avatar
    Right I'll check them out so far

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    12-12-2012 03:18 AM
  9. retsaw's Avatar
    Over 50 million people can't all be wrong for wanting this app.
    I'm sorry, but argument from popularity is a fallacious argument. Consider religions if you like, There are over 2 billion Christians, over 1.5 billion Muslims, over 800 million Hindus and over 400 million Buddhists and hundreds of millions following smaller religions. Whichever way you spin it they can't all be right, so billions of people must be wrong.

    All I will say on this subject is that my nexus 7 runs fine without a task killer app, if any app persistently misbehaves I'll uninstall it.
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    12-12-2012 04:21 AM
  10. mr_nobody's Avatar
    12-12-2012 09:13 AM
  11. DavdEBSmith's Avatar
    Why all your apps are running all the time: from the Android Developers Blog: Multitasking the Android Way

    Your apps keep restarting after you kill them because that's the way Android works.

    If you want to have fine-grained control over what apps do and don't sync and when, look at the paid version of Synker.
    12-12-2012 11:35 AM
  12. bigtroutz's Avatar
    Yeh, yeh yeh. Horsepucky.

    It's my device, not yours, so I get to decide. When android stops being the wild wild west, all apps have a close button that really stops it's execution in all ways, settings allowing me to set the permissions for the various kinds of background activity, utilities that let me close unwanted autostart programs, background threads/processes or any activity like any other professional OS, I will agree with you. Until then I will carefully select which apps I install and mousetrap those that I want but that have poor intrinsic behavior I must manage. I will use any app available that lets me have the last laugh. Vampires will get no blood from this rock or as little as I can manage to give with my poor capabilities given the crude nature of Android OS.

    And retsaw, that wasn't any argument from popularity, but rather confirmation that the need exists and is not anything outlandish or unusual. Android has a flaw and millions of people have identified it.
    Or do you think OS programmers never make errors in judgement and execution ? Give me a break.
    12-12-2012 01:56 PM
  13. Diknak's Avatar
    Auto kill programs were needed prior to 2.2 because Android did not manage memory well.

    Now, there is NO reason to be auto killing apps and you will actually HURT your battery life and your performance by having them.

    You should only be killing apps using a task killer if an app is bugging out and needs to be force closed.

    Yes, it is a conscience decision of the OS design and it is LEAPS AND BOUNDS better than what it used to be prior to 2.2. Memory is managed very effectively and people that think you should be running task killers in this era of Android simply don't understand how the OS works and is optimized.
    12-12-2012 02:01 PM
  14. bigtroutz's Avatar
    yes, I agree it is much better than it was.

    That does not mean it is perfect the way it is nor that there are not hordes of poorly behaved but useful apps out there. Like I said, Android needs to grow up some before it can be considered ready in all respects. Equipment providers still are playing games by molding the OS for their benefit versus free use and best capability and THAT is the reality.
    12-12-2012 02:07 PM
  15. Diknak's Avatar
    If a phone maker sees that it is in their best interest to include an application that would generate revenue, they have every right to do so, and you have every right to not buy it.

    With the Android business model, if a company uses stock Android, they get 0 kickback from software purchases since that goes to Google. That is why Amazon uses a heavily modified version of Android and that is why I have decided not to buy the Amazon product.

    This is a free market, so nothing is forced upon you. Also, most devices have unlocked bootloaders, so you can completely ditch the delivered ROM altogether.
    12-12-2012 02:29 PM
  16. bigtroutz's Avatar
    Ah, now we are getting somewhere.

    You mention all those folks who void their warranty and root their device so that they can have better control over how the OS functions and what capabilities it provides. You must concede that rooting is not optimal and can introduce issues with optimal functioning of the device as intended by it's makers, don't you ?

    So how is that different from someone running a auto task killer ?
    12-12-2012 02:38 PM
  17. Diknak's Avatar
    I don't care if people run auto task killers. If you want to do that, then knock yourself out.

    However, I do care when people are running those task killers because they think it is going to improve performance and/or battery life. My point is quite simple: they aren't needed to manage memory. They aren't needed to speed up your system or get better battery life. If you see value in the application after knowing and understanding those facts, then have at it.
    12-12-2012 02:58 PM
  18. adammcgovern's Avatar
    I have to disagree with you about rooting your device. When carriers and manufacturers toss in tons of bloat that takes up space and other precious resources there is really only one option..... Root. Not only can I control what's on my phone, but also where it resides and how it works. And as it's been discussed time and time again, here and over at xda, there really is no warranty risk. There are a million other reasons to boot.
    The task killer discussion is well documented and the facts are facts. They do more harm than good, period. But they're necessary for a rogue app! No they are not. It doesn't make sense to me to download a useless app for the purpose of controlling a separate useless app. If it gives you piece of mind than by all means use it, but because you want it to be the case doesn't mean that it is.

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    12-12-2012 04:26 PM
  19. bigtroutz's Avatar
    gee thanks I guess, gov -- first you say folks root because the OS is full of crap and functions which we should want to get rid of and then you say that apps that get rid of crap and functions which we want to get rid of when NOT rooted should not be used. Yes, yes, rooting will solve all the worlds problems, LOL. I will get to it at some point, just as I run my CPU at retail clock speed for a while before I overclock the cheese out of it. I have no problem with rooting so you misunderstand. I think that the manufacturers / powers that be / google /etc have a problem with rooting.

    And yes, the best solution is not to use poorly behaved apps but sometimes they happen to be all there is for some particular function without having to pay. So there it is.

    And I don't think there is a real world significant difference in any case. Nanoseconds or seconds ? A few minutes of battery longevity one way or the other, perhaps ....so what ?
    12-12-2012 08:14 PM
  20. Diknak's Avatar
    But you get nothing from auto killing. Those apps that you just killed will get added right back because that is how Android works. You say that the negative impact is negligible, which is probably the case, but the positive impact is flat zero.
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    12-12-2012 10:27 PM
  21. adammcgovern's Avatar
    No bud, you either misunderstood me or just chose to twist my words. First off, that is why I choose to modify my device. It becomes evident pretty quickly after you first boot up your phone that the manufacturer and the carrier figure they're gonna help you out, you know, get you started and install no small number of applications that, for the most part, you can't uninstall. If you are lucky enough to have a recent build you may be able to disable some apps, but that doesn't address the space issue. But honestly some people are perfectly content with bloat. I don't hold that against anyone. After all, it's theirs not mine. There's really no need to get snarky though and misrepresent my words. I certainly wasn't towards you. Believe me when I tell you that I've seen, first hand, some of the problems in this world and I'm pretty certain that rooting a phone is not the answer. I'll simplify my perspective.... What never ceases to amaze me is when people complain about how there's all this stuff running on their phone that shouldn't be because they didn't expressly initiate app x or process y. And without taking some time to understand why this is happening or how the OS is meant to run they decide to download ATK or whatever pops up first in the market and start randomly killing everything only to have it start back up time and time again. Then it snowballs into "why is this phone so slow" or "why does _____ keep crashing on me". I'm not implying you are that person, but there's no shortage of threads with this issue. I had questions at first too, but I've definitely put a lot of effort into figuring out things for myself and helping others when I could. You're entitled to your opinion and managing your phone as you see fit and we can disagree but I just think discussions are more productive when space that is dedicated to sarcasm is used for something more productive

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    12-12-2012 10:32 PM
  22. bigtroutz's Avatar
    sorry, Diknak, but the apps I want to kill are NOT generally those that will reload. They include a large number of apps that have no exit/close button, etc. for instance that I use once every week or so.... Absolutely no point in having those stay open so the next time i use them they will load faster since they wont be around anyway, having been swapped out for some other process/app by the time I may use them again a week or two later. As for those that open to sync, serve ads, etc., that's kind of pointless since I shutdown my wireless when I don't need it or the sync when I don't want that to occur either - and both of those shutdowns save a MUCH larger amount of battery life than "efficient memory and CPU operations".

    It's really simple - I want the OS and computer to operate the way I want it to and I install apps that let me do that. As a matter of fact, very few apps I kill ever load again until I execute them on purpose. I don't need to run the auto-killer much (after I winnow the crap), I just go in there manually and stop the apps I have left that are poorly behaved or do not close properly. But it IS a useful tool and nice to run sometimes.
    12-13-2012 03:10 AM
  23. bigtroutz's Avatar
    I think we are mostly on the same page, gov. Yes, blindly running an auto task killer 24/7 forever thinking it will remediate bad choices in apps or obviate the need to understand how your device functions is not a good idea. However, it is clear to me that there IS a need at times for task killers, apps like Adblock Plus, etc, that some opine should not be used or available. I don't see anything wrong with using non-optimal apps when you need them, nor rooting your device as the optimal mode to gain better systems integration into a device that meets your needs.

    But there is no excuse for developing so many apps that have no close/exit button (like Chrome). A browser has zero need to be running processes in the background for instance, unless it is being nosy. You will note that Dolphin and Firefox both have an exit button for some strange reason. This is my biggest problem with Android - it's the wild wild west of apps with applications not needing background processes having them anyway because it's cool perhaps. And there is no way to control that behavior provided by the OS.

    An analogous situation in Windows are the autostart tray apps. Every tomdickandharry wants to load something there but in windows there are plenty of tools provided to zap those, an editable msconfig file, task manager and registry if required. No such tools are available in Android or at least the N7 version, so I must use task killers or even auto task killers to make up for that deficiency.
    12-13-2012 03:35 AM
  24. retsaw's Avatar
    And retsaw, that wasn't any argument from popularity, but rather confirmation that the need exists and is not anything outlandish or unusual. Android has a flaw and millions of people have identified it.
    Or do you think OS programmers never make errors in judgement and execution ? Give me a break.
    It was an argument from popularity. The only thing the number of downloads tells you is how many times it has been downloaded. You may be able to infer that lots of people think they need it, but it certainly doesn't mean any of them are correct in thinking that.

    I don't have a problem with you arguing in favour of task killers, just so long as you don't use any bad or fallacious arguments to do so and you don't try to pass off opinion as fact.
    12-13-2012 04:15 AM
  25. bigtroutz's Avatar
    bah, everything is an opinion and nothing is fact. we perceive all thru our own personal filtered lens or have you not read Plato ?


    read my comment again Retsaw -- my point was NOT that they were ALL right because they use a task killer, that would be an argument from popularity - my point was that ALL of them could NOT be WRONG and therefore a negation of confirmation bias and the statistical power of probability - gawd the education level of our whippersnappers these days....
    12-13-2012 04:31 AM
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